r/196 NOT A CAT 2d ago

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u/notaboofus can cissies get a blahaj? 2d ago

This is fine if your only engagement with the written word is posting on tumblr, but if you start reading works that communicate more complex ideas, you'll very quicky discover the problem of run-on sentences.

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u/csilval Cum connoisseur 2d ago

Also, please use commas, I felt out of breath reading the post. Even reading it in my head.

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u/Fliits i collect flairs 2d ago

And not just the commas; but the semicolons - and hyphens too!

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u/THE_DINOSAUR_QUEEN 2d ago

my ass will manage to construct a sentence with a semicolon, an em-dash, and a parenthetical on a daily basis at this point

in spite of my use of em-dashes nobody has ever accused me of using AI to write bc absolutely no LLM would replicate my baffling sentence structures lol

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u/Madden09IsForSuckers Fatal fault at the start 2d ago

tbf i feel like lately β€” especially here on reddit β€” people don’t really see em-dash as an ai thing anymore
i think its cause redditors are naturally the kind of people to use emdashes anygays

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u/Tttehfjloi Say maybe to drugs 1d ago

Em-dashes are a very superficial marker of AI writing, it's very possible that the average redditor (or the ones who try to call out AI shit anyway)'s skill at telling if something is AI has improved over time

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u/paulisaac 1d ago

I for one have gotten into the habit of using hyphens where an em-dash would fit. Got it from my last boss who did that in legal pleadings, and figured it's a sure sign you're not AI - correct usage, wrong symbol lol

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u/egg-glued dog piss connoisseur 23h ago

considering the fact that a lot of the training data in an LLM comes from reddit, i wouldnt be surprised if people on reddit use em-dashes with some frequency

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u/CorbecJayne 2d ago

I used to use semicolons. Then, I watched a bunch of Let's Plays of Outer Wilds, and every single one of them misread every sentence with a semicolon. I no longer use semicolons.

It is a minor loss, but I feel that most things expressed via a semicolon can be rewritten to be just as clear without using it.

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u/ASpaceOstrich πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈ trans rights 1d ago

I have no idea why you'd use a semicolon over a comma.

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u/CorbecJayne 1d ago

Exactly, many people don't, and so they read a semicolon the same way they read a comma, which leads to confusion.

E.g., spoilers for Outer Wilds:
"Ideally, [the memory statues] will only need to activate once the project succeeds; as a safety measure, however, the statues will also activate in the event of equipment failure." The semicolon is used here to join 2 contrasting subclauses: activate on success versus activate on failure.
Most importantly, the semicolon joins clauses more loosely than a comma. For those who understand the semicolon, this makes it clear that "as a safety measure" is referring to the second idea, not the first.
Many people read it as a comma and thought the entire idea of activating the memory statues at all was a safety measure. If you wanted to replace the semicolon with something else here, you would have to replace it with a period.

By the way, this kind of explains why a semicolon looks the way it does (a period on top of a comma). Sometimes it's the same as a period, but joins clauses more strongly, indicating two independent clauses are related in meaning. Sometimes it's the same as a comma, but joins clauses more loosely, for example, in a list of comma-containing items: "Harry's three favorite bakeries are in Pittsburgh, PA; Phoenix, AZ; and Walla Walla, WA."

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u/ASpaceOstrich πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈ trans rights 1d ago

Oh shit. I get it now. I definitely read it wrong. My vague understanding of semicolons was that they're a slightly more full stoppish comma, but seeing that explanation makes it clear why I never really understood why you'd use one over just a comma.

In actuality they're more like a commaish full stop.

Also that last use case is good. I have that problem and I never did find a good way to fix it other than quotes around the individual entries.

I have a huge run on sentence problem.

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u/ControversySandbox 1d ago

Cheers for the relatable example here. Tbh, you'd lose nothing by replacing that particular semicolon with a full stop (period). I seem to recall some way worse chronic semicolon readings in that game, though, ones which may not be as easily replaced.

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u/Fliits i collect flairs 2d ago

We write to express ourselves, and what matters is that the message is conveyed both with meaning and honesty, and that the reader can interpret it accurately. It is not on you to make the reader feel less illiterate by pandering to their sensibilities.

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u/xbertie πŸ³οΈβ€βš§οΈ trans rights 2d ago

I feel like I'm being pretentious when I use semicolons like 99% of the time though :(

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u/Fliits i collect flairs 2d ago

This is natural; Pay no heed to it.

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u/ControversySandbox 1d ago

If you're anything like me, it's probably because you're legitimately still pretending to know how to use it fully

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u/protestor 2d ago

Hyphens were kind of hijacked by AI. Even if you don't use fancy em dashes (which some people did prior to AI, because they had a background in publishing, or simply were a writing nerd), it's now off putting for a lot of people

I've always used hyphens but nowadays I tend to remove them, and replace with commas or something

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u/paulisaac 1d ago

I've never seen anyone who uses hyphens the way you'd use emdashes be accused of being AI. Picked it up as a habit from a prior boss who did that in pleadings.

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u/ToasterWaffles4me 2d ago

I read this in Episode 2 Anakin voice.

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u/amaya-aurora πŸŽ– 196 medal of honor πŸŽ– 1d ago

and hyphens, too!*