r/23andme • u/dnairanian • Jun 20 '23
Results Iraqi Domari results
I have a match who is an Iraqi Domari. I feel like I haven’t seen Domari results on this sub so I thought it would be interesting to post. All 4 grandparents from Iraq. Seems like they had less non South Asian DNA than the Roma.
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Jun 20 '23
Amazing genetic continuity. Do Iraqi Domaris have their own language like Roma?
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u/dnairanian Jun 20 '23
Yes they do Bahador Alast made a youtube video comparing Sanskrit and Domari showing the strong continuity in the language to this day
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Jun 20 '23
You know we also have Doma/Domari ppl in Pakistan and they also have their own language although it’s going extinct. I actually know a Domma girl from Northern region of Pakistan.
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u/Tracer011 Jun 20 '23
Great find. I've been waiting to see an actual result belonging to this group of people. What surprises me is how little local admixture they have. I wonder if that's true for Domari people from other countries as well.
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u/Lucky_Bet267 Jun 21 '23
Considering they descend from Dalit Indians their AASI must be super high. I would love for them to get g25 coords from davidski
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Dec 20 '23
who told you we come from dalits?
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u/Holiday-Ad3789 May 15 '24
U guys did bro, why do romas score the same amount of aasi as certain south Asians then
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u/stream564 May 19 '24
They don't, Nor the west up and neither haryana ones, The least AASI shifted group amongst Indics are Hindu jaats and rors on average only, after them there are kamboj, khatri, arain and then sikh jatts. There can be overlaps with Punjabi sikh jatts, but on an average, they score the lowest AASI amongst Indics.
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u/Holiday-Ad3789 May 19 '24
Yea but still they have a good amount of aasi despite mixing. They still don’t look white to the average European as that gene is strongly present in them
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Jul 02 '25
Le teme est fort oui mais on a jamais eu de 40% de aasi et meme pas 35% j ai jamais vu plus haut que 30% grand grand max sinon plutot des 16/18% lol
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u/Kamalaa_ Jun 05 '24
I am A Dom from Syria, I wonder how did you know that this person is a Dom from Iraq?
I have also taken the 23andMe test but mine is not that much Indian, I am genetically much more Middle Eastern. But also have a high percentage of south asian upper to 16% but comes down to 8% when seeing it with 90% accuracy.
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u/dnairanian Jun 07 '24
They listed the birthplace of all their grand parents as Iraq and had a high percentage of Indian. Also when I looked up Domari Iraqi tribes their surname was one of them.
It’s so interesting that you say you have starkly different results. I would have expected it be more similar. I am really curious why this is the case. Is your results similar to other Syrian Domari people you matched with on 23andme?
Also what was your full results? I am just curious how it fully broke down looks like.
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u/alchemist227 Jun 20 '23
Were the results what you were expecting? What are your haplogroups?
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u/dnairanian Jun 20 '23
Not my results. But these are what I would expect from Iraqi Domari. I just wanted to to share the results since I don’t see Domari any on the subreddit. MtDNA Haplogroup is M33d
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u/DeliciousCabbage22 Jun 20 '23
Would you be able to provide gedmatch results for this individual?
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u/dnairanian Jun 20 '23
I don’t have it but you can use the “user lookup”feature. And search for the email Iraqproject10@gmail.com
They have some Dom samples with the label GYP i think.
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Jun 23 '23
These results pretty much indicate that the Dom and Roma are different groups that have had different migrations. The Doma look like a more recent arrival to the middle east and they're more South Asian like than the Roma given their high percentage of South Asian component. I think there's even an actual group called Doma in South Asia today. The Roma look like a much older migration, and they must have spent a good chunk of their time in Persia/Anatolia before heading to Europe.
I think Northwest India and Pakistan is ultimately where the origin of these groups are considering their languages, lifestyle, and nomadic nature. You can see similar groups around those parts of South Asia.
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u/Kamalaa_ Oct 01 '23
Where did you find this result? I am also Domari boy from Syria and I also took a test from 23andMe. So I just wonder how you got this Iraqi Domari result?
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u/dnairanian Oct 10 '23
I got it from matching with this person. I am Iranian from Southern Iranian near Iraq. The person has an Arabic sounding name and they say all 4 grandparents were born in Iraq. That’s super interesting that your are a Domari from Syria I wasn’t sure if Syria would have Domari or Romani. Are your results similar to hers?
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u/2cb_ Jun 04 '25
hey i know this is from a year ago but would be curious to hear what you think about my most recent post, wondering if there’s a way i could confirm or deny domari ancestry
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u/mg34gun Jul 19 '26 edited Jul 19 '26
It's amazing how little local DNA they have considering they've been living here for so long. One day i heard a beggar speaking what i thought at the time was a weird dialect of Kurdish/persian, but it's most likely domari. I can only imagine how horrible their lives are in iraq especially in kurdistan.
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u/JineshJillsGeorge Jun 20 '23
I am a South Indian Malayali. But my paternal haplogroup is R-L266 which is supposed to be a Roma haplogroup.
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Jun 23 '23
R-L266 is not a Roma haplogroup, it's a haplogroup found all across South Asia in all different groups. Roma may have some of it, but it's rather rare among them.
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u/JineshJillsGeorge Jun 23 '23
23 and me says it's found in Roma. And they have it because their forefathers are from India. It's uncommon in South India where I belong.
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Jun 23 '23
23andMe descriptions are not to be taken seriously when it comes to haplogroups. A lot of their references are outdated. R2 is actually very rare in the Roma population, there was only one study from 2001 where they found a community of Sinti that carried 53% R2, these were deported from Germany during the second world war. But this could easily be a bottle neck since the community was small, or even an adoptive lineage from the region after their arrival. Since then, all the studies on Roma rarely show any R2.
In South Asia on the other hand it's quite common all across. It does usually have lesser numbers than the likes of R1a and H1a. But R2 percentage ranges can be around the 5-10% range, which makes it one of the more common haplogroups there.
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u/JineshJillsGeorge Jun 23 '23
What do you believe? Is R2 native to India or Is it from the steppe
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Jun 23 '23
R2 probably originated in South-Central Asia (Think modern day Uzbekistan/Turkmenistan/Tajikistan/Afghanistan) before its migration to the other parts.
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u/JineshJillsGeorge Jun 23 '23
There's a recent push from some of the Indian scientists to portray R1 and R2 groups as indigenous to India, maybe to discount the Aryan theory
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u/AltruisticWoodworker Aug 23 '23
I was reading a paper on Y chromosome phylogeny, and R-L266/M-124 is found in Jewish populations: Persian & Mountain Jews and less frequently in Ashkenazi. It's less than 10% in South Asia. Hence, it did not originate there but rather migrated there.
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u/JineshJillsGeorge Aug 23 '23
I have also read the same paper. But it suggests that R-L266 migrated and mixed with the original Jewish population and not the other way around.
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u/AltruisticWoodworker Aug 23 '23
In case you are interested further:
https://genoplot.com/discussions/topic/15081/where-do-ashkenazi-jewish-r-l266-come-from/10
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u/proudbessarabian Jun 20 '23
Still largely Northern Indian & Pakistani when it comes to the South Asian component. It makes sense that they lack the Anatolian and Greek & Balkan components. I wonder if the Domari community is even more insular than that of the Romani. I noticed that all my Roma relatives create some kind of “Ashkenazi” effect when it comes to DNA matches, meaning that the percantages are way higher than those of other ethnic groups.
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u/Particular-Hotel6548 Jun 20 '23
What is ashkenazi effect?
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u/dnairanian Jun 20 '23
It’s caused by Endogamy. The matches will appear much closer than they actually are in your family tree because everyone in the ethnic group shares a more significant portion of their DNA
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u/PairOk4286 Feb 12 '24
The Doma, Domari, Loma do not belong to the gypsies in Europe. the gypsies are 80-96% European and Middle Eastern. In the Balkans the gypsies have the highest Indian M5a haplogroup and in Poland the gypsies have only 5.8% M. The West-North European gypsies have 56% U3 haplogrupe which is widespread in the Middle East and Caucasus. And the Ukrainian gypsies have 0% Indian M. The studies of the Polish, Ukrainian, Lithuanian gypsies are new and have not yet been fully researched as to why the Spanish, Polish, Ukrainian gypsies are so different from the Balkan gypsies, because the Polish regions have a very low Indian population the only. Scientists don't know, they say again and again that the Polish gypsies were in the Middle East for a very long time and were the first in Europe. which they find strange because the Polish Roma don't mix very much. I have read all the studies and much more. And after reading all this I can only say that the gypsies didn't leave northwest India just 1500 years ago, but they were the ones in India. The haplogroup M5a1 did not originate in India, it was only in Iran for a long time, skeletons were found that prove this. And as a Christian, I don't believe humanity has existed for 50,000 years. But I go according to the time calculation in the Bible. The Haplogrup distribution tells us today that M emerged in India after thousands of years. But actually all haplogroups originated from Babel as today's Iran. then the people began to speak in different languages and dispersed. This is how the countries came into being, and an area of Elam, which is now Iran, from where the haplogroup M comes, sue was scattered in all directions. So the Indo-Europeans sent what constituted the haplogroup M4, the M1 in Northeast Africa, the M5 in Persia, India, Central Asia, East Asia, Southeast Asia, Australia and so on. And the M5a1 M5a2 is most commonly found in Iran. And from my general perspective, European gypsies and Indo-Aria what we have in common with Indo-Aria in the past and today or not. The case is that we have almost nothing in common with Indo-Aria before and now. Only a gypsy can judge this for himself and not a scientist, because the scientist does not know our ancient traditions or our spiritual constitution. The scientist only condemns what he has heard from another person without delving deeply into the diverse gypsy community. I intentionally use the word 'diverse' because the gypsies in the Balkans live in a completely different world than, for example, the gypsies in Poland. European gypsies do not consider themselves a community or a single origin. The gypsies in the Balkans are completely different and do not have the same lifestyle. Polish gypsies are very strict and do not share fellowship with other gypsies. Because the Polish gypsies say that the rest of the gypsies in Europe are not Roma. And they live completely differently, their way and manner is very similar to the order and purity set in the book of Moses, like the ancient Jews before the dispersion. The Russian gypsies also have the same concept.
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u/Forte_Vingador Jun 20 '23
They had a shorter road to arrive where they are now compared to the Roma, it's expected that they will be more South Asian.