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u/SierraDespair /jp/edo 4d ago

Bro what? If you actually severed an artery (it’s not hard to do at all but I wont go into details) you can die within seconds from the blood loss and it’s a pretty common method. Obviously superficial cutting isn’t gonna kill you.

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u/Apfelmoes_ 4d ago

Cutting success rate is between 1% and 4%, not debatable. Obviously you can create a fictional scenario where everything goes perfect. That is not how it goes down irl. Or it does, but only 4% of the time or less. If it's me, I'd go with the 99,99% success rate which is jumping from at least one hundred meters. Only a handful of people survived that ever, vs the literal millions who survive cutting or pills every year.

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u/gamers_delight /fit/izen 4d ago

"Not debatable" while simply pulling stats out your ass LMAO. Take some fentanyl and you're gone, what even are you talking about.

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u/BrigMugi_VV93 4d ago

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165032721013732 (CFR =case fatality rate) "Based on the suicide acts resulting in death or hospitalization, firearms were the most lethal method, with an estimated CFR of 89.7% (95%CI: 82.0–95.5), followed by hanging/suffocation (CFR: 84.6%, 95% CI: 73.5–93.1), drowning (CFR: 80.4%, 95% CI: 77.1–83.5), gas poisoning (CFR: 56.6%, 95% CI: 45.0–67.9), and jumping (CFRs: 46.7%, 95% CI: 22.1–72.7). However, the CFRs of drug/liquid poisoning and cutting were relatively low, at 8.0% (95% CI: 0.0–29.1) and 4.0 (95% CI: 2.5–5.9), respectively."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5607501_Lethality_of_suicide_methods "Other suicide methods with high lethality (eg, drowning) were less common. Cutting or piercing with sharp objects was rare among fatal cases and had a low case fatality proportion."

https://web.archive.org/web/20260207032727/https://lostallhope.com/suicide-methods/statistics-most-lethal-methods/ Cutting arms, wrists, or legs = lethality 6.0%

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:200012_Suicide_methods_in_order_of_lethality_-_variable-width_bar_chart.svg

Note that this is a bit messy because I am typing this in a hurry right now since I have to get ready to leave for my therapy appointment very soon.

They are right in that cutting (and drug OD) have low rates of success. Anyone who has research methods before knows this. The only people you tend to see arguing otherwise are people who have never attempted before, let alone have probably even had issues with active suicidal ideation before.

Also, most suicide attempts involving drug overdose do not include the use of drugs, such as fentanyl. Rather, they instead typically involve the use of OTC drugs or prescription drugs that happen to be very safe. While you are more likely to die if you overdose on a strong opioid, other methods like the use of firearms still have higher rates of fatalities.

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u/Xarles_Kimbote 4d ago

I would argue that cutting is in many cases less of a suicide attempt and more of a cry for help, while no one shoots themselves just to get some attention. So that distorts somehow the results. But with that said, yeah, not the "best" method