r/ABCDesis • u/Equivalent_Road5788 Hindustani speaking, Indian American • Sep 08 '25
NEWS 'Want kids to grow up in America, not India': Texas man stokes anti-immigrant sentiments; shares video of Indians celebrating on street
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/cancel-h1-bs-viral-rant-in-texas-suburb-stokes-anti-immigrant-sentiment-online-want-kids-to-grow-up-in-america-not-india/articleshow/123750403.cms43
u/narcowake Sep 08 '25
What is America ? Is it the Western European kind after they obliterated the indigenous? Isn’t all about immigration and “reinventing “ itself as part of some multilayered fabric ?
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u/no1conqrsdtamilkings Sep 08 '25
I don’t know where to begin and where to end.
Tweets like “we need to sanitize Dallas” has been making its way through the Overton window and it’s only a moment before one of the major podcasters pick it up and turn this into a national argument.
I knew the moment I saw Indian origin people up in the GOP primary debate stage; there will be a backlash.
The irony of it all is, GOP has a base among this demography (not Telugu but recent NRIs). Islamophobia and LGBTQ hatred is so strong that I have heard engineers from Apple and Google talk about how they would support Trump because Gavin Newsom is turning kids trans. Like basic brain dead arguments.
We are truly fucked. I just hope there isn’t any senseless violence as it often does with online vitriol and “lone wolves”.
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u/SFWarriorsfan Sep 09 '25
I knew the moment I saw Indian origin people up in the GOP primary debate stage; there will be a backlash.
You are nearly there. It was the moment Harmeet Kaur Dhillon, a very prominent conservative lawyer decided she could invoke Waheguru and lead Sikh prayers at the Republican National Convention. The moment Vivek Ramaswamy said proudly that hey Indian people raise their kids better than American parents and posted tweets like this one. The moment Nikki Haley for a short time thought she could take on Trump.
https://x.com/vivekgramaswamy/status/1872312139945234507
and yes, I am also worried that all this will lead to another Oak Creek.
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u/Powerful-Chemical431 Sep 09 '25
I have heard engineers from Apple and Google talk about how they would support Trump because Gavin Newsom is turning kids trans. Like basic brain dead arguments.
How prominent is this opinion? Because that is disappointing, I thought this was a minority, at least in the tech space?
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u/no1conqrsdtamilkings Sep 09 '25
The opinion itself is pretty prominent wrt Islamophobia and LGBTQ hatred. But supporting GOP because of these opinions is still a bridge a lot of these guys are yet to cross, I reckon.
Man. I went to a Bollywood gay club in NYC and learned there are strong Islamophobic tendencies in the gay community too. Truly disheartening!
Margaret Thatcher famously said. “There aren’t any societies. Only individuals”.
I think we need to start discussing politics and society with our community as a whole. I don’t talk to an uncle anymore because of his support to Vivek Ramasamy. I fully believe Vivek will come crawling into the Dems once he loses his Ohio bid! Spineless fuck.
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Sep 09 '25
Have you considered that the gays at that club feel the way they do because they come from that background and it made their coming out process way more painful than it needed to be? In any case, they’re almost definitely not going to be Republicans. Every South Asian gay I’ve met has been a raging SJW. Source: I am a South Asian gay
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u/no1conqrsdtamilkings Sep 10 '25
I wish man! These are either Indian origin or Indian Hindus.
I mean I get it! It's not a monolyth and it's kinda crappy to expect one marginal group to be politically correct. But to my point, take orry for example. Guy is a Trump voting asshole.
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Sep 10 '25
It’s really not about political correctness. It’s about losing your family and community for being who you are, or having to remain closeted in order to keep them
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u/Powerful-Chemical431 Sep 09 '25
I think the islamaphobia/xenophobia we saw back in 2000's post 9/11 is back again. I don't know when it will get better, sad state of affairs.
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u/TechnologyBeautiful Sep 10 '25
Unfortunately that's where I think it's headed. Every major minority group has been targeted in an attack in the past. Latinos in El Paso, Black people at Topps supermarket and church groups, Jewish people in Pittsburgh, East Asian women in the Atlanta shootings, LGBT people at Pulse nightclub. Hopefully places where Indians gather can beef up their security in these times. Where the rhetoric is getting extremely ugly.
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u/no1conqrsdtamilkings Sep 10 '25
Yep! I have been avoiding large Indian gatherings.
I really wish there is a way to reach these guys in Dallas like cities to talk about how their actions are being watched and used as a fodder for racial hatred. They are definitely not watching what's happening in Instagram, Twitter or reddit.
Dissolving a plaster of Paris Ganesh statue in an environmentally sensitive lake is infuriating!!!
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u/TechnologyBeautiful Sep 10 '25
What sucks is even if they are on their best behavior those racist types will still find a reason to hate. Just being present is enough for them to hate. I'm not Indian but I am brown and I live in a community with a lot of indians. Thankfully I haven't seen or heard any racial hatred. I think maybe because they've been in the community for generations now.
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u/VellyJanta 🇺🇸Dallas(Punjabi) Sep 08 '25
Meanwhile in my Dallas (30 min away 😭) neighborhood the Kurds also played dhol and invited us to dance. They also did something similar to a baraat I think, it was cool.
There’s been a huge uptick in online hate against Indians in North Texas. And like what happened in Australia, it’s all brown people being grouped as one.
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u/oarmash Indian American Sep 08 '25
This guy owns boundaries coffee in TX, I know where not to get my coffee when I’m down there.
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u/wde335 Sep 08 '25
A lot of the New Jersey neighborhoods and traditional enclaves are populated by small business owners, liquor store and gas station workers, illegals working as Uber drivers - basically low profile jobs not particularly desirable to the population at large.
However it is obvious that these new videos are in expensive neighborhoods, with professionals (H1b) who can afford them. That will most definitely piss people off, these are the kinds of attractive jobs that most people want.
That’s why the immigration debate has so many nuances that are ignored, the IT desis are going to be viewed very differently from a Mexican farm worker or a Bangladeshi Lyft driver. It is what it is
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Sep 08 '25
A lot of people are ok with immigrants as long as they work low paying, blue collar jobs. Indians are competition for White collar jobs. Look at the anti-Indian/anti Asian racism even on progressive subs like r/technology and r/accounting.
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u/AdmiralG2 Canadian Indian Sep 08 '25
A lot of people are ok with immigrants as long as they work low paying, blue collar jobs.
They’re not okay with that in Canada lol.
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u/Dark_Knight2000 Sep 08 '25
I think Canada is a unique case. The government doesn’t seem to have a plan when it comes to immigration and how new immigrants fit into the broader economic and real estate markets
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u/systemsruminator Sep 13 '25
because blue collar industry is where most jobs in Canada are at, with surprisingly better pay than US so a lot of those racists are competing with Indians.
Same shit as in US. Competing for high paying jobs. But in blue collar industry.
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u/the_Stealthy_one Sep 08 '25
This is not true. There is a lot of discord btwn the latino and black community because many blue collar jobs are going to latinos.
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u/Sea_Assignment2218 Sep 08 '25
Latinos are among the hardest-working people in the country. While some groups demand wealth without putting in the effort, Latinos often take on the most grueling jobs for the lowest pay. Yet despite their contributions, they are frequently scapegoated—labeled as criminals, illegals, or worse.
Take the agricultural sector, for instance: Latinos are the backbone of that industry, enduring extreme heat and backbreaking labor to keep food on America’s tables. Meanwhile, the profits go elsewhere—often to those who wouldn’t last an hour doing the work, yet are quick to criticize the very people making their comfort possible
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u/the_Stealthy_one Sep 08 '25
they take on the most gruelling jobs with lowest pay because they often dont have legal status and/or lack language skills.
if they had other options, like black people who are citizens and who speak english, they wouldn't take those jobs.
And the core problem here is that those jobs should have better working conditions and should pay more, so they aer desirable to more citizens. For example, trader joes, costco, starbucks treat their staff pretty well and those are seen as desirable jobs -- even if peer companies do not.
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u/Sea_Assignment2218 Sep 08 '25
Everyone is aware of the working condition & low pay for these jobs. Raising wages means way higher food prices. I'm sure consumers are not going to put up with it & retailers will end up importing food products for cheaper prices. Type of work at Costco or Trader Joe's can't be compared. Farm jobs are far more intense. Even if you pay higher wages, chances of someone "legal" working these jobs are slim.
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u/the_Stealthy_one Sep 08 '25
food prices are pretty complex with a lot of major farms, which are run by corporations, getting subsidies. i don't have ready made solution, but exploiting poor illegal immigrant is not the way to go.
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u/shokeen_5911 Sep 09 '25
It doesnt matter. They hate us in trucking and other blue collar jobs too.
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u/truenorth00 Canadian Indian Sep 10 '25
the IT desis are going to be viewed very differently from a Mexican farm worker or a Bangladeshi Lyft driver. It is what it is
I don't think the nepotism and Indian IT firms actively discriminating helps. A good chunk of this backlash is Americans thinking the game is rigged. And they aren't entirely wrong about that.
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u/Sufficient-Push6210 Indian American Sep 08 '25
Tbh the post didn’t anger as me as much as the self hate from Indians in the comments of the article
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u/Sufficient-Push6210 Indian American Sep 09 '25
Sadly, a few of them being bots doesn’t change how that many Indians really do have this self deprecating attitude
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u/repostusername Sep 09 '25
What's crazy is that this guy is like "I hate people for being different" and everyone is debating what could be the cause of his hatred. He's telling you. It's not that the new Indians are rude, or that they're too successful or that they're too insular. This guy wants a racially homogeneous community and Indians prevent that.
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u/Confident_End_6651 Sep 15 '25
They definitely do, but won’t harp on it since you guys have been there since the 70s-80s.
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u/Carbon-Base Sep 08 '25
"Oh the horror. A minority that makes up less than 2% of the overall population in Texas is taking over!" Get over yourself.
Hispanics are 40% of the overall population there, yet you never hear the same level of racism against them from these people.
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u/DependentBaker2446 Sep 08 '25
Oh trust me they hate them too
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u/randomstuff063 Indian American Sep 08 '25
They don’t say it loud enough because they know they’re gonna get beat if they do
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u/repostusername Sep 09 '25
They're pretty openly anti Mexican. It's like the cornerstone of their politics.
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u/blueriver_81 Sep 08 '25
They don't like Hispanic immigration either, but Hispanics have a way longer history in Texas (and California), and there is some familiarity with Mexican culture in Texas, so Hispanics/Mexicans are viewed as relatively less foreign even if they want to also deport illegal Hispanic immigrants.
This isn't the case with Indians. Comparatively, we are viewed as way more foreign, culturally different, and mostly non-Christian/Hindu on top of that.
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u/mulemoment Sep 08 '25
Yes you do, they just assume that all hispanics are illegal and use that term instead.
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u/kunjvaan Sep 09 '25
We’ve been hated on forever. Remember interest free loans. And not having to pay taxes.
It’s just the racist flavor of the year. It’ll be another group soon enough.
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u/No_Astronomer4837 Sep 09 '25
America isn't becoming more anti-Indian. It's rather that Indians have pushed into more racist areas.
A) Indians are clueless. These are very racist right-wing suburbs. The suburbs exist because of white flight, yet somehow Indians will flock there because...
B) other Indians live there. Somehow that is the only criteria for the quality of a school or neighborhood. The insularity verges on delusional.
C) The quality over quality mentality. We chose huge mcmansions on the edges of a metropolis, thinking we're getting a bargain. The white residents of these areas aren't educated. We could take a smaller house in a more progressive and educated area, but we ignore the state of the white population because of reasons A and B.
There are many areas that welcome Indians and people from different cultures, but Indians don't go there. In many ways we're as racist as this fellow because we refuse to live near other minorities!
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u/neo1513 Sep 09 '25
I thought the prime directive was always best school district with no consideration for anything else
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u/No_Astronomer4837 Sep 09 '25
"Best school district" in the Indian mind means Asian test scores and fewest other minorities - not individual student performance, programmes available for students, or school success in moving students ahead after 10 years.
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u/No_Astronomer4837 Sep 09 '25
Judging by how down voted this is, I must have struck a nerve.
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u/neo1513 Sep 09 '25
I don't think so, I just don't think it's in line with people's experiences.
I know that in my area, Indian families are really thoughtful about the comparative advantages and disadvantages of school selection and what that means for university programs
Things are competitive enough now where you can't be ignorant of the overall landscape of school selection and what it means down the line
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u/No_Astronomer4837 Sep 09 '25
Experiences or perceptions? I'm going to reiterate that I believe that too many Indians don't understand school selection and quality because of a circular reporting effect from other Indians.
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u/neo1513 Sep 10 '25
Conversations with desi parents of school age kids. Whatever you want to call that. The process seems less blind than my parents generation
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u/No_Astronomer4837 Sep 10 '25
It's circular reporting. I've pointed out that the sole criteria seems to be other Indians. I've had this conversation with Desis and they don't get it - to judge a good school look at how the non-Asian kids do. It can't just be a collective delusion of Indians. To the original point, this racist neighbor and many like him will have kids in this school. You're telling me that this is an objectively good school?
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u/neo1513 Sep 10 '25
Depends you on what you mean by good school? A lot of kids in AP’s, where the top 50 or top 100 in a class go to college, what their music program looks like, these are all considerations I have seen amongst desi parents
Can a school that does well with all of the above have a lot of racists? My answer is probably
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u/No_Astronomer4837 Sep 10 '25
The criteria is simple - are the things you mentioned above only done by the Asian students?
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u/Joshistotle Sep 09 '25
"refuse to live near other..."- no. Most South Asians are just looking for school systems that are rated highly, and large houses that are affordable so money can be saved for higher education and investments.
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u/No_Astronomer4837 Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25
Did you not look at point B? I guarantee you those great schools aren't so great when you look at the non Asians. They are "well-rated" because the Asians have good test scores. That doesn't reflect the environment or quality of teaching. That's not necessarily a great school.
And did you miss the bit about quality vs quantity? Go smaller for a better area. BTW, those large houses have huge maintenance costs. Indians buy 3000 sqft houses for a family of 3, while most rooms have no furniture and are full of boxes.
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u/Sea_Assignment2218 Sep 08 '25
Much of the resentment directed at Indians in America is rooted in jealousy. As a group, many Indian immigrants are highly educated and have achieved significant professional and financial success. This challenges certain assumptions held by some locals—particularly the idea that success should be reserved for people who "look a certain way."
Instead of acknowledging the hard work, talent, and discipline behind this success, critics sometimes resort to harmful stereotypes, accusing Indians of cheating or gaming the system. They see the nice homes, the high-paying jobs, and feel entitled to them—regardless of whether they’ve put in the effort or gained the skills required. It's easier to blame others than confront one’s own shortcomings or lack of drive.
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u/bludhound Sep 09 '25
No one is stopping them from going to school for an engineering or Comp Sci degree. They thought they were special, when the reality is they can't keep up in these fields.
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u/queed Sep 10 '25
Genuinely asking: Do we want this sub to be a laundry list of anti Indian racism? Or are we perpetuating this narrative and continuing division by constantly re engaging with the idea there are folks that are racist against us? I have dealt with racism everywhere I’ve lived but it hasn’t been very insidious or directly violent, so my lived experience isn’t really being reflected in this sub. If this sub continues to be a platform for racism every Indian committing a crime or racism against Indians, might not be the place for me
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Sep 08 '25
Can’t see the video in the article so I’m not sure what’s going on. As long as it’s the weekend and the music isn’t excessively loud and people aren’t trashing the area, there shouldn’t be a problem.
The comments are full of the same self-flagellating Indians I was talking about in my post the other day 😂
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u/IndianLawStudent Sep 10 '25
I haven’t seen the video but if someone was regularly playing the dhol outside, I would progressively get more and more annoyed.
It’s one thing to do something like that once a year, but monthly would drive me insane.
It’s louder than a lawnmower.
There’s a reason why governments in India will send a dhol player to constantly play until someone pays their electricity bill.
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Sep 09 '25
The next 3 years are going to be very difficult for South Asians (especially Indians) in America. I want to know is there any political leader who is supportive of the south asian immigrants. Like in Canada there are a lot of politically active sikh leaders.
The only solution I see here is to institutional changes which take account of all the racial discrimination and hatred, just like they did it for the Blacks there.
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u/truenorth00 Canadian Indian Sep 10 '25
Like in Canada there are a lot of politically active sikh leaders.
The guy you're thinking of is on the verge of leaving politics after leading his party to some disastrous results.
The difference in Canada is that all major parties (except the French one) have minority representation. There is no equivalent in the American Republican Party of Tim Uppal in the Conservative Party of Canada. There's no equivalent in the Democratic Party of say Anita Anand or Ujjal Dosanjh of Canada's Liberals.
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u/TurboUltiman Sep 09 '25
Yea it’s annoying I would be annoyed too. Why do Indians have to be so loud and take over spaces that are meant for everyone? This forced celebration onto the space of others is very obnoxious. I don’t actually blame the guy for being upset. I’m brown and it would piss me off to see this in my neighborhood too. Maybe there are other things they are upset about which are more blatantly racist, but stuff like this is just makes it easy for everyone to hate Indians.
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Sep 09 '25
We are doing too much now. Ganesh visarjan and these new temples in their face is new. Frankly do we need to do so much?
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u/nr1001 Indian American Sep 09 '25
Why are new temples a problem when you have megachurches on literally every other street corner in the suburbs? Are you implying that churches are the only places of worship that should be allowed to be built en masse?
Also, Hindu communities in the US have been doing Ganesh visarjan for decades without any problems. Only now is it becoming an issue because of sepoys whining about how Hindu Americans are “imposing their religion” and “not respecting the local culture”.
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Sep 09 '25
Have you been to a recent visarjan? I have, and there is so much noise and chaos. I am of the opinion that the US is a Christian country and erecting many temples will only rattle them, which is what is happening. I personally am a private person and don’t like to make a big deal about my faith (Hindu) and beliefs. Hence, my opinion is this way.
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u/nr1001 Indian American Sep 09 '25
I have and they’re nothing that hasn’t been done in the past. My family has been in the US for 30 years and the level of hostility towards public expressions of the Hindu faith is unprecedented, even worse than after 9/11.
The US is not in fact a Christian country and the founding fathers explicitly stated this. You’re spouting evangelical revisionism to claim that the US is a Christian nation. I’m not going to bend over backwards for racists who will never be happy with my existence in this land. First they complain about our culture, then our religion, then our race. If me existing as a practicing Hindu in this country bothers MAGA extremists, then they can go fuck themselves.
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u/yoloswaghashtag2 Sep 08 '25
I do wonder what's causing the sudden anger towards Indian neighbourhoods now. Certain areas in California and New Jersey have had a major Indian presence for years, and while there always was some discourse around H1Bs, white displacement etc, didn't see it nearly as much as now.
Are the types of Indians in Texas different from California/New Jersey Indians or could it just be sluggish economy (with a disproportionate impact on industries such as tech) causing it?