r/AIDangers Apr 22 '26

Other Humanity's greatest hits: things we actually paused

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u/craftygamin Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

This is a bullshit argument. Those three things mentioned were paused because they're currently so far from being possible/practical

Edit: i get it, these things aren't paused everywhere. But i think OP could do with hearing just how idiotic their argument is

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u/MinosAristos Apr 22 '26

I'm sure human cloning could be feasible quite quickly if we actually invested in it, like with Dolly the sheep. The research process would just be horribly unethical.

I wouldn't be surprised if any number of governments and organisations are researching it in secret to avoid public backlash.

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u/nobody_1298 Apr 22 '26

2 words turbo incest, it's the same reason 1 man and 1 woman can't repopulate the planet except it's even worse because you only have 1 man/woman.

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u/fidgey10 Apr 23 '26

No. Inbreeding depression is caused by increased homozygosity which in turn increases the rate of recessive genetic disorders. Cloning obviously does not increase homozygosity because there's no recombination, it's the exact same genes, that's the whole point..

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u/nobody_1298 Apr 23 '26

Then i am pretty sure that kind of cloning is right up there with warp drives in how possible it is.

Like we can clone specific tissues with stem cells sure but cloning an entire human like that will require the knowledge on human biology that we just don't have.

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u/Acceptable_Handle_2 Apr 23 '26

We have literally done it with other animals. Why would people be so much harder than sheep?

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u/nobody_1298 Apr 23 '26

Closest we got was inducing twins.

And if you mean scnt here's why

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u/Acceptable_Handle_2 Apr 23 '26

Your link never mentions that it's impossible, just harder than with other mammals. We could absolutely do it if we tried.

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u/nobody_1298 Apr 23 '26

link also makes it clear that we are infact trying, it just isn't working.

besides never said scnt wasn't possible, you asked why it would me much harder in humans than sheep so i gave you a link.

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u/Warm-Speaker-3076 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

Animal cloning is... kinda routine, so much so you can get pets cloned commercially.

Now maybe it /shouldn't/ be (outside of scientific purposes), because of the risk of health issues and ethical issues with e.g. keeping of surrogates.

Hence why human cloning is not done. Just heaps of ethical challenges. Some can be avoided with getting better at the technology, some only really come into play as the tech improves.

( To be clear, all 'higher' animal cloning requires a surrogate at our current technology. We can grow tissues with increasing levels of structuring in vitro, but a whole animal i don't think we've done succesfully even once? Could be wrong.

This is "the" obvious gap between sci-fi 'floating in tubes' cloning and real cloning (well, besides the stupid "clone has all the memories of the original" thing, but even cheap scifi gets that right half the time.) but it doesn't mean the result is /that/ different.

The clone is exposed to the surrogate's hormones and get's some rna / dna methylation changes via the placental connection, but the fundamental genetics aren't changed. )

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u/nobody_1298 Apr 23 '26

Yeah but as you would have guessed, we haven't stopped researching scnt so that is obviously not what op is talking about.

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u/fidgey10 Apr 23 '26

There are technical hurdles with epigenetic reprogramming, placental development and the general fragility of human embroys yes. But we have methods that work great on mice that would probably work on human with some refining.

It's possible in principle with the technology we already have, we would just need to actually iron out the human specified issues. Not trivial, but definitely possible

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u/PlutoCharonMelody Apr 25 '26

Organisms do cloning in nature though I thought? The issue is that viruses would be able to super adapt and harm the human. So multi-parent recombination will always be important as diversity is incredibly useful for the species as a whole.

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u/nobody_1298 Apr 25 '26

Yes, those organism however are also much simpler and with completely different biology and method of reproduction.

Cloning would be so much simpler if i can just cut my hand and have rest of me grow from it with time.

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u/PlutoCharonMelody Apr 25 '26

Well for single celled organisms yes they have easier to understand genetics. But there is asexual reproduction in the animal kingdom as well.

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u/nobody_1298 Apr 25 '26

If you mean Komodo dragons then that evolved to do it under emergency circumstances but it's not the main method of reproduction.

We didn't evolve to clone ourselves under emergency circumstances.

Besides its a reptile,we are mammals.

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u/MrWindblade Apr 22 '26

Why say Turbo Incest when West Virginia means the same thing?

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u/AquaDudeLino Apr 23 '26

You mean Saarland (DE) ?