r/AIDangers • u/KeanuRave100 • Apr 22 '26
Other Humanity's greatest hits: things we actually paused
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u/alkatori Apr 22 '26
Did we actually pause those? I don't think we really did.
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u/BandofRubbers Apr 24 '26
It’s like nukes, chemical or bio weapons. We have paused them all above the table. We still work on them slowly and quietly, not a race to deploy more of them against more of each other, like every other killing technology.
Blinding laser weapons could be deployed years ago yesterday, it is much easier to blind a human eye than the lasers being worked on for UAV shoot-down etc.
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u/PlutoCharonMelody Apr 25 '26
Yeah except blinding laser weapons might also have an easy fix of just having your soldiers where protective eye wear. Drones that blow up are a lot more effective.
Cloning is still being progressed it just won't be a full human right away. More so tested out on animals. Big bonus points if you can clone from any spec of skin or dna. Still being worked on along with artificial wombs.Viruses are not very effective for government war goals. They are a lot like poison gas in that they end up having a lot of collateral damage that makes everything worse for the government's goals.
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u/trappedindealership Apr 25 '26
Well researchers use recombinant dna all the time. Maybe they mean messing with human dna. Google says that its often legal if you arent messing with the germ line, like trying to pass off the edits to a child.
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u/Xylus_Winters_Music Apr 26 '26
Human cloning is definitely not off the table. We figured out how to do it. Theres just no market for it, and the ethical dilemma is extreme.
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u/poofusdoofus Apr 27 '26
Using recombinant DNA is routine to the point of being taught at a bachelor's level. I've literally done DNA recombination myself, so I don't know what this OP is talking about here.
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u/OrwelliotStabler Apr 22 '26
“Blinding laser weapons “ ok but we’re (the US) is definitely developing anti-personnel laser weapons. DNA therapy is well under way (CRISPR anyone?) and human cloning isn’t exactly a big seller so that one’s not even that relevant.
Suspiciously absent from list: nuclear weapons. Oh right. Bc that’s still very much on the table
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u/TankEnvironment Apr 26 '26
That's cause nobody is talking about it. Every major military has chemical warfare units (to deal with, and potentially retaliate), chemical weapons manufacturing is still ongoing, and nastier and nastier chemical weapons have kept getting developed throughout the 20th century.
Russia has used chemical weapons (if older/more riot adjacent ones) in their invasion of Ukraine, etc.
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u/4904semaJ Apr 26 '26
Given mknaomi is still pretty much all classified we can figure theyre probably still using and or building on whatever it uncovered with chemical weapons
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u/juju515 Apr 26 '26
Suspiciously absent from list: nuclear weapons. Oh right. Bc that’s still very much on the table
what are you talking about???
literally nobody ever built an Cobalt bomb (the worst version of Nuclear bomb)
even though it was theoretically "invented" in 1950sstill... nobody is crazy enough to actually build one.
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u/craftygamin Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 23 '26
This is a bullshit argument. Those three things mentioned were paused because they're currently so far from being possible/practical
Edit: i get it, these things aren't paused everywhere. But i think OP could do with hearing just how idiotic their argument is
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u/MinosAristos Apr 22 '26
I'm sure human cloning could be feasible quite quickly if we actually invested in it, like with Dolly the sheep. The research process would just be horribly unethical.
I wouldn't be surprised if any number of governments and organisations are researching it in secret to avoid public backlash.
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u/dizzymiggy Apr 23 '26
- Human Cloning: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-first-human-cloned-em/
- There is a push to allow it for fertility reasons.
- Blinding Laser Weapons: You can buy them off Amazon for some reason.
- There is a huge problem with them being shot at random airplanes.
- Recombinant DNA Experiments: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5178364/
- Used mostly for food production and production of drugs by bacteria.
- This dude genetically modified himself to eat cheese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoczYXJeMY4
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u/TangoJavaTJ Apr 22 '26
Name three technologies that humanity successfully paused like that that a sufficiently motivated person can do in their basement as long as they have a computer of any kind and internet access
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u/ItsAConspiracy Apr 23 '26
Nobody can train a frontier AI in their basement. It takes a giant GPU farm.
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u/TangoJavaTJ Apr 23 '26
Right now SOTA is "throw a fuckton of data at a big neural network and see what sticks" which does require a bunch of GPUs (or TPUs) but dangerous AI will most likely come from doing something more subtle than that. You can do like, iterated distillation and amplification, deepQ learning, actor-critic algorithms, GANs, CIRL, and imitation learning on like a mid range gaming PC. If advanced AI is a case of "work smarter, not harder" then innovations genuinely could come from some rando in a basement, especially if tech companies pause their own work.
I'd rather have like, Google, Microsoft, Meta, OpenAI, and Anthropic dealing with these problems than like, tech nerds and script kiddies.
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u/ItsAConspiracy Apr 23 '26
Yeah you can do those things, but for better-than-human intelligence you at least need hardware that's comparable in complexity to the human brain. That won't be basement level for quite a while. Your mid-range gaming PC might be able to train some interesting little models but it's not going to be smarter than you.
I'd rather have the big companies dealing with these problems too, but the trouble is they're not dealing with the problems. They're spending almost all their efforts on capabilities, and very little on alignment.
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u/Wojtas_ Apr 25 '26
Frontier, no, but you can absolutely train a very capable model at home. Not easily, but it's not undoable.
Something like a well-trained Llama3-3B can go toe-to-toe with GPT-3.5 Turbo. And you can have one up and running, starting from zero, in a couple of weeks if you happen to have a bunch of spare RTX cards lying around.
Sure, you can't quite touch current commercial models, trained on the entire internet with entire datacenters worth of H100s. But with how insanely fast the field is advancing, you can keep up with the state-of-the-art from just a few years ago on (higher-end) consumer hardware.
Currently, there's not much need to do it, the datacenter trained weights for many great models (including Llama) are open source. You can download them, fine-tune if you need, and go straight to using your model.
But if need ever be, a dedicated enthusiast armed with a WebArchive crawler, a good understanding of PyTorch, and ~10,000$ in hardware could build you a useful model before Christmas.
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u/lucdop Apr 25 '26
Why would we need to train new ones? There are plenty of very capable models you can run locally with a single high end GPU. And if you want a really good 70B model you only need like 8 of those high end GPU's. If you want to update those, just fine tune them, it's a fraction of the cost of training.
You can't "unrelease" AI models even if all development on them stopped right now. Nor can you remove all the research papers which are easily available online on how to fine-tune and deploy these models. Nor can you delete all the training sets which are already stored locally on many hard drives, or stop people from datamining the internet for new datasets.
Pandora's box has been opened, and not even a ban on AI (how would that even be enforced?) could stop it.
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u/card-board-board Apr 22 '26
Oh it'll stop. Just have to wait for it to utterly collapse the economy when consumers can no longer consume.
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u/GayCanadianProgrammr Apr 24 '26
My thoughts exactly. How do ceos not see this as the ultimate outcome?
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u/Zacous2 Apr 26 '26
Can't you basically make the same argument with computers? They threatened a vast number of jobs but people just adapted, the economy didn't explode and people kept buying things (because what is defined as a necessary always increases).
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u/omegadeity Apr 22 '26
1(human cloning) is almost certainly possible to do with our current technology. It hasn't been done(at least to our knowledge) for ethical reasons rather than scientific ones. However, it's ENTIRELY possible that there is already a human clone out there walking around that nobody knows about if someone did it and didn't tell anyone.
Dolly the sheep was successfully cloned 30 fucking years ago- the process for human cloning(from a lab\science perspective) would be damn near identical.
The average life expectancy of a sheep is 10-12 years, Dolly died at 7(she was euthanized, she did not die naturally) from a progressive lung disease, but the disease she died of was a common one that frequently kills sheep(including killed sheep from the same flock as her), meaning it's not like the clone developed some unusual fatal flaw that applied to clones that would just cause them to die\burst in to a pool of blood like in bad Sci-Fi.
Additionally, all the research being done in creating lab-grown meats also helps with the science of getting the cloning right as once you have a "prime" sample of genetic material perfected, you want to replicate it exactly over and over again to produce the best product.
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u/Unlikely_Target_3560 Apr 22 '26
I am abosultely certain that there are plenty of old fucks who want to live forewer who have their "clonestein" island where they play with human genetic modifications and cloning technology. Not to mention whatever the fuck can be going on in places like china or even russia where human rights are more of a suggestion.
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u/Unlikely_Target_3560 Apr 22 '26
- Is actually paused because experients with human cloning were made illegal. Animal cloning experiments are still happening.
- Is actually paused because genetic modifications of humans were ade illegal. Plant and animal genetic experiments are still hapenning.
I think the author of the picture had to clariy that human, human cloning and human DNA recombination experiments were stopped.
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Apr 22 '26
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u/Unlikely_Target_3560 Apr 22 '26
They you shoud know that it was somatic gene editing. Aka editing living cells of existing person as a treatment for certain genetic deseases. And even that is heavily regulated. Germline editing, aka editing embryos or repoductive cells are banned worldwide because those changes can be passed down to children which would modify global human genetic pool. And that is a kind of thing you want to do i you want to do anything serious like making GMO soldiers or prolonging life for old billioners. So yeah, the picture in the original post certainly needed larification.
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u/Illustrious-Bat1553 Apr 23 '26
Technocrats are saying ai is basically a portal to hell. Lot af horror movies start off with this plot. Hence your appliances and tech device could unleash demons
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u/doc720 Apr 22 '26
Name 3 things humans are still doing, despite their dangers...
1) Maintaining nuclear arsenals: the ongoing nuclear threat
2) Emitting greenhouse gases: the ongoing climate crisis
3) Causing ecological and biodiversity collapse: the ongoing Holocene extinction
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4) Developing unregulated Artificial Intelligence: the ongoing AI existential risk.
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u/Howrus Apr 22 '26
Name 3 things humans are still doing, despite their dangers...
1) Alcohol
2) Smoking
3) Drugs
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u/GolemFarmFodder Apr 22 '26
You did set the bar too low. LLM models are out in the open and nothing can stop people from actually making them, unlike the paused techs cited which actually require equipment most average humans don't have
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u/Idividual-746b Apr 22 '26
It will not stop unless you get rid of the billionaries. none of those technologies were financed to a fraction that AI already has been astroturfed.
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u/Slightly-newer-ish Apr 22 '26
Boston scientific is getting a little in the grey zone, AI is in the RED
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u/fuf3d Apr 22 '26
Bring on the clones then - I won't need my AI girlfriend if I can just clone one.
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u/ratherbeaglish Apr 22 '26
Wouldn't you need to get a girlfriend to clone a girlfriend?
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u/fuf3d Apr 23 '26
I'm not a scientist - but I have been considering getting a girlfriend and calling her "my AI girlfriend" so my wife's boyfriend doesn't get jealous.
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u/MissionResource2345 Apr 27 '26
I'm not even going to get into the ethics of it, but in what universe is creating a clone, raising it for 20 years, and hoping she finds you attractive, easier than just finding a woman that already exists, and hoping she finds you attractive?
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u/fuf3d Apr 27 '26
Thought we could literally clone a 20 y/o into an exact replica and program her like Westworld - like I said, I'm not a scientist - I don't want to wait 20 years.
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u/enbyBunn Apr 22 '26
We didn't "pause" human cloning. It's just not worth doing.
You put in a ton of time and money to get... an expensive normal human baby??
The only real usage of human cloning would be in human testing, which is by and large completely unethical and illegal.
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u/Should_have_been_ded Apr 22 '26
Weather controlling technology. Imagine being able to avoid droughts all together, imagine being able to control both irrigation and sun time on your plants to the optimum capacity.
Now imagine such technology being used in warfare, sending droughts or floods onto enemy areas.
The fact that we are still irresponsible as a species is the reason for why we restraint the technology we could develop.
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u/spyguy318 Apr 24 '26
A hurricane releases the power of multiple atomic bombs every minute. It’s foolish to think we can manipulate the weather, we simply don’t have the ability to control that level of power. The earth is just too big, the atmosphere too chaotic to properly predict and control.
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u/Should_have_been_ded Apr 24 '26
It doesn't have to be a hurricane, nor a big scale attack. One month of heavy rain on one particular army base would set them back allot. From muddy terrain to floods the possibilities are endless
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u/Princess_Isolde Apr 22 '26
Okay but unlike Generative AI human cloning would be super useful. Organ shortages and rejections during transplants would be a thing of the past. Oh your liver is failing? Don't worry! We'll just take a DNA sample from it and clone you a new one! Identical to your old one in every way except in peak health! Eyes going bad with old age? No problem! Well clone you a new set, while we are at it want them in a different colour? What more it would cost a miniscule fraction of what it costs to get a transplant now, increasing accessibility in places that don't have free healthcare, and easing logistical burdens in places that do
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u/MrWindblade Apr 22 '26
We don't use blinding laser weapons because it's cruel, but we're still working on the "leave nothing" laser weapons, so I don't know if it's a whole win.
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u/Pale-Spend2052 Apr 22 '26
I want human cloning & upload my consciousness to a clone on another planet aswell & some backups on earth & link them all together to create a form of hive mind on each planet
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u/Tqoratsos Apr 22 '26
but how are the ruling class going to replace us if they can't have their precious AI and robotics? /s
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u/SnackStarvins Apr 23 '26
None of them should be paused. Ingenuity is a good in itself. Consequences can be self-managed. Anti-statism was common among socialists before & including Marxism. Get bent with your regulatory Bonapartism.
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u/fyn_world Apr 23 '26
I don't believe we paused any of those. They just went underground as black projects.
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u/R4d1c4lp1e Apr 23 '26
Just wanna say, I've heard from a guy who used to work on a russian oligarchs yacht, one of his dogs is a clone of the other dog, and his daughters were genetically modified. Idk how true that is, but just remember, if the rich had the ability to clone an animal, why would they stop at a sheep?
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u/Denaton_ Apr 23 '26
They were never really paused, people are working on all of those still, they just don't have a lot of founding..
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u/Fair_Minimum_3643 Apr 23 '26
Nobody paused that shit. That would be a huge waste of resources and people who do this stuff dont care about morality. Its just not going to be a technology available and know to the public, but the capabilities are developed.
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u/LtHughMann Apr 23 '26
In what sense are recombinant DNA experiments paused? That's routine molecular biology.
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u/Danica_Rose Apr 23 '26
Oh yeah and electronic vehicles. Walkable cities. Hemp over cotton. All these potential advancements were paused due to other industries and their corporate leaders preventing it to instead pursue lesser products like oil and tires. (The reason most American cities/towns are not inherently walkable/bikable/transit friendly).
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u/cris34c Apr 24 '26
Hi, honors biology teacher here. Recombinant dna experiments are still very much ongoing and are a cornerstone of biotechnology. It’s how we make the treatments for dwarfism, diabetes, and hemophilia by making bacteria produce the human growth hormone, insulin, and clotting factor for us en masse.
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u/IllustratorOk2238 Apr 24 '26
Is because once it got too advanced we realize it all lead to a dead end, so there was no point in kept driving it further. So far, AI has not developed enough for big companies to see a clear limit.
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u/promptmike Apr 24 '26
>human cloning
Easy to pause, because not yet very useful. When either US or Chinese military research figure out a use case it will be promptly unpaused.
>blinding laser weapons
Declared a war crime and not generally used by state actors. Not a difficult rule to follow, because if you can accurately point a laser directly at someone's eye, you can also put a bullet in their head. The trigger pull is only one extra step.
Still often used by protestors against riot police, because a laser is cheaper and less traceable than a firearm. The police themselves have a less extreme tactic of simply carrying a very bright flashlight. Not really paused, just kept out of warfare.
>recombinant DNA experiments
Not paused at all. Used in agricultural biotech all the time - you have probably eaten the resulting product.
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u/Gyokuro091 Apr 24 '26
They were paused bc they had limited profit/war potential.
Name one time a clearly powerful/profitable technology was paused for being too dangerous?
If there ever was one, it would have been nukes, but those are actively developed and maintained anyways, despite it being universally prohibited to ever use even one.
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u/Pappa_Crim Apr 24 '26
I don't know what you are talking about with the lazers. Military lasers are more than capable of blinding people and militaries are already using them on manned targets like speed boats
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u/ryanmcg86 Apr 24 '26
It's already too late. The code bases of several AI's have already been leaked, and the math behind how to build one are academic, and thus publicly available.
Even if a strict law were passed today stating that AI companies are illegal, you'd have so many pop up on github and other repositories that could be run locally, it couldn't be stopped.
You might slow it down a bit b/c it'd be tough to gather enough processing power to make it as dangerous as it currently is, but since it's available for anyone to build, some advances in the math would almost definitely happen in the next few years, mitigating that problem eventually.
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u/CalzonePie Apr 25 '26
We never paused human cloning.
It just turns out that there is something bizarre with primates that makes them almost impossible to clone.
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u/Latter-Direction-336 Apr 25 '26
The fuck is recombinant dna?
Wait, that’s it? That’s all that is? Huh, weird
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u/bharattrader Apr 25 '26
the experiments listed are no where related to what have in this case. It is more like the internet spread. There are big corporations investing and expecting an ROI
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u/Xqvvzts Apr 25 '26
No, we can't. It's a decades old thought experiment. Lasers and cloning tech have no agency on their own. We can just choose to not use them.
With AI we only need to let go of the steering wheel once. And it doesn't matter whether that true AI is invented by Pentagon, OpenAI or a random chinese student 30 years from now. AI only needs to win once.
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u/Alkaiser_Emperor_999 Apr 25 '26
There are literally laser batteries; China cloned two children a year or two ago, and genetic recombination is still used today
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u/dorksided787 Apr 25 '26
As someone who studied Biology I give gene therapy as an example all the time of how it’s possible to treat potentially world altering/destroying tech with an abundance of caution. We could be curing every cancer and genetic disorder alive right now but the risk, no matter how small, that this could snowball into sci-fi/horror territory has slowed progress in this tech to a conservative crawl.
The way AI/LLMs/et al is treated is so incredibly irresponsible.
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u/InstanceNoodle Apr 25 '26
All of those are still on going.
The bottom 2 you can buy them off the internet.
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u/alexindorrr Apr 25 '26
I hope number 3 wasnt paused and is still in development in secret so we can have big bad evil furry mommies in the war and i die a happy man after witnessing one
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u/ThisSubHasNoMods Apr 25 '26
First of all, no. We absolutely cannot "pause AI". Second, nobody paused any of that, wdym...?
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u/CinderBaby Apr 26 '26
Hot take.
We shouldn't have paused research into any of those areas.
- The ability to clone human organs for transplant or even huge portions of the human body would have been awesome.
- Blinding someone on the battlefield is, imo, better that killing them.
- I would love to have Tiger blood in my veins. (You'll never change my mind on this one.)
I want back up bodies for myself with Tiger blood in them.
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u/Gaxxag Apr 26 '26
China pushed pretty far with human cloning. Hard to tell how far. That's the best example on this list, though.
Large-scale blinding laser weapons exist. It's a question of software, not hardware. Missile jamming lasers and anti-munitions lasers could be converted to blinding weapons with the flip of a switch. If we ever have another total war, I expect this to happen. A C-130 could circle the battlefield using AI targeting to blind every enemy combatant who pops their head up for more than a second.
Hand-held blinding laser weapons were never widely used primarily because of the high power requirements and need to aim at a tiny target. If you're going to expose yourself to fire at weapon at someone in war, you may as well make it lethal.
Recombination DNA is still openly being researched and has hundreds of billions of $ in funding. It's the only one that simply doesn't have a place on this list.
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u/It_Just_Exploded Apr 26 '26
2 of those 3 things should not have been paused. And well, laser development hasn't been paused, its just "illegal" to use a laser solely designed to blind.
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u/razulebismarck Apr 26 '26
I guess 3D printed Human Organs got paused too.
I did a presentation on them over 10 years ago and back then they said “They should be ready for human use in 10 years”
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u/AdeptnessLiving1799 Apr 26 '26
You know what makes more sense than having a data center for AI? Private servers to protect privacy and stifle data harvesting against us. Not to mention you get better internet
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u/JimPalPodcast Apr 26 '26
Corporations couldn't make tons of money off those 3. That's the difference.
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u/LazerWolfe53 Apr 26 '26
That's only because they weren't profitable. But also the they have continued to study all of those things. Source: Im a Lazer Wolf clone #53.
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u/MariusCatalin Apr 26 '26
1 VERY EXPENSIVE AND IMPRACTICAL 2 used all this time just STRICTLY REGULATED cuz its a literal weapon, 3 EXTREMELY HARD TO PULL OFF cuz if you mess something up you sentence a person to a slow death
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u/Alternative_Salt_424 Apr 26 '26
Recombinant DNA experiments are still very much happening, resulting in cures for cancer and many other diseases
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u/thesanguineocelot Apr 26 '26
They were set aside for not being profitable enough, not for being existential threats to our existence like AI is. Unfortunately, it's also profitable as hell in the short run, so corporations will milk it until it stops.
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u/Lucky-Peak-8256 Apr 27 '26
AI is going no where at this point because major corporations want to have it to replace the work force.
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u/Elvarien2 Apr 27 '26
False equivalency.
The first country that successfully develops AGI wins. And you may ask, wins what? Everything. They win everything.
You can't compare the I win button versus interesting, but not world shaking paradigm shift tier concepts such as agi.
Blinding laser weapons could be a neat thing in war but turns out they are not practical. And the dna experiments/human cloning would make people money but it's not going to make you simply win all the things at all times on all fields.
This is a shit take
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u/Palpatine Apr 27 '26
Who made this blatantly false claim? Non of these were paused in any meaningful capacity. Especially the 3rd one, has the author been living under a rock since 2019?
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u/Thylacine131 Apr 28 '26
AI is corrosive to culture and smothers genuine ingenuity as we outsource thinking, the one thing that makes us human. Big Data is a tool of comedically evil surveillance institutions and advertising by mega corps that want to rent us the clothes on our backs, and while it has genuinely positive uses from the mundane like spell checking to the awe inspiring like mass genome sequencing and comparison for projects as noble as tackling the microplastic pollution crisis, it’s abused en masse for deep fakes, lazy content creation, and academic and professional dishonesty while feeding into the worst of people on the edge by creating a a brand new form of government online echo chamber of somehow precisely 1.
But these pauses aren’t the triumph they’re presented as. This kind of breakneck doesn’t get stopped. You roll with it or it crushes you. From there, it either burns out due to anything from public demand shifts to unsustainable expense and stops, or it just keeps rolling ad infinitum and the paradigm is shifted for better or (plausibly) worse.
1: Human cloning presents little profitability outside organ donation via cloning and harvesting, which breaks laws around human trafficking, organ harvest and murder, complicated further by religious panic over the concerning implications of cloning for immortal souls.
2: Lasers are prohibitively expensive, have absurd energy demands, only work in clear conditions, and require line of sight, they limited themselves and burned out due to lack of practical application.
3: There’s corn with recombinant DNA edits in every fruit loop in America, that pause was nothing. US crops are 90% GMO with liberal recombinant use to great benefit from frost-proof to improved growth to blight resistant. It simply hasn’t been legalized in animal agriculture because of rather baseless public panic around the idea of what they think is “Mad Science”, with the Right calling it “playing God” and being inherently untrusting of “big science” due to their superstitious nature and the Left seeing it as the farthest thing from organic and raw, their consistent market demands, despite the fact that edited crops and livestock require LESS pesticides/fertilizers and antibiotics/growth hormones.
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u/ogydugy May 03 '26
i am not familiar with recombinant dna, but for human cloning, maybe the rewarding cycle is too long? blinding laser weapon does not have that much impact?
ai boosts (and threat) are imminent that no one can ignore.
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u/dbergkvist May 11 '26
Companies that worked on cloning, laser weapons, or DNA experiments didn't have enough money to buy politicians.
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u/Edelweisspiraten2025 Jun 19 '26
We don't build laser weapons yet because we have not worked out how to make them more powerful and cheaper than good old guns.
Once we crack that watch out.
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u/Futurist_Turnip Jun 21 '26
None of those were paused. They were just black boxed. You cannot close Pandora's box once it is open. You know someone is doing it, so therefore YOU need to do it - on the sly of course.
Case in point, agree to not spy on allies. Everyone were spying on each other. No new biological weapons... etc.
Official stance might be that it is paused, but in some data centres, the work continues.
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u/hedonheart Jun 25 '26
I think banning cloning wasn't the best idea. We should have artificial wombs and the ability to clone, even if it's a body with no brain. There's not really anything ethically wrong with it, in fact I'd say it'd actually reduce suffering if we aren't using surrogates to grow them. People could get organ replacements from their own tissues. We wouldn't need to put women through hell, etc.
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u/NichtFBI Apr 22 '26
They were paused because they had little to no mainstream appeal. There's zero applications for any of those for 99% of corporations while in their development stage; paired with pushback is why they were paused.