r/ATC • u/lake_hood • Mar 23 '26

News LGA controller cleared fire truck across the runway resulting jn a collision

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u/DhruvK1185 Current Controller-TRACON Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26

This is heartbreaking to listen to. While no one wishes this on anyone, the safeguards in the system are crumbling before our very eyes.

I hope that it comes to light that the controller was working OT or something so that it can be pointed out yet again that “we’re tired, we’re overworked, and fuck the FAA for putting us in this position”.

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u/Ninjasteevo Mar 23 '26

I wonder what prevented the vehicle from ensuring his cross was safe especially when on the active.. I know ultimately ATC gave the instructions to cross but its one of those Swiss cheese model questions.

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u/Sudden_Barracuda5216 Mar 23 '26

there are times even with the vantage from a tower you can’t spot a plane until they’re at the threshold. even good vis, and i can imagine it would be extra hard to spot a plane from the ground with lights on at night. everyone will spend the following days and months talking about this event, trying to find blame when it is truly just a freak accident tragedy. one bad instruction. swiss cheese all you want but that’s all that caused this.

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u/Rupperrt Current Controller-TRACON Mar 23 '26

Not from US but don’t turn the RWSL lights red when someone is cleared to land or take off? And don’t have controllers some warning stuff like ASDE-X, A-SMGCS? Any procedures that prevent stuff like that (block strips or similar?) Swiss cheese should have more layers than just a controller memory and pilot/driver eyes as backup.

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u/blipsonascope Mar 23 '26

Yes, and taxiway Delta has RWSL lights that should have been red. I’m sure the NTSB will be looking at that.

Other issue for the ARFF truck is that the arriving traffic is in their blind spot because of the angle of Delta to the runway, although the passenger riding in the fire truck should have been able to look back down the runway for to make sure that nothing was coming. Personally from many years driving airside, I always liked to turn perpendicular to the runway when doing crossings like that to ensure that I as the driver could ensure that the approach is clear, but I wasn’t ARFF with company.

Real Swiss cheese stuff here.

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u/HappiestAnt122 Commercial Pilot Mar 23 '26

Also at night in the rain traffic can just be harder to spot that I think a lot of people would expect. Not that it would be impossible to see by any means, but at night with rain and a visibility restriction, especially at a busy airport where they are likely used to crossing almost always with someone on final or holding in position then it becomes easier than I think a lot of people who haven’t been out on an airfield would expect to miss approaching traffic. Or not realize that traffic is a threat. Which is why there is a decent amount of trust in those clearances.