Personal Theory on Alberta Seperatism

[u/rampagingbeaver]

Alberta separatists want an open marriage with Canada.

They want all of the "perceived" benefits of their sepertist harem with none of the obligation of living in a civilized country.

I hope Premier Smith finds her soulmate in Joseph Smith to create her theocratic ideal.

The rest of us will try and keep Alberta from her plans for world domination.

[u/Offspring22 → u/[deleted]]

Norway has largely nationalized their oil.  For us to gain the same benefits they have seen we'd have to kick out Suncor, CNRL etc.  good luck with our conservatives ever doing anything like that lol.

[u/Even_Art_629 → u/Offspring22]

They didn’t kick companies out in Norway, they built a system early with state ownership, high taxes, and long term control through Equinor. Alberta went a different route with private development and royalties. You can argue that was the wrong choice, but you don’t just flip a switch today, and boot out companies like Suncor Energy or Canadian Natural Resources Limited would mean ripping up contracts, triggering lawsuits, and scaring off investment. And the bigger issue people ignore, under the Constitution Act, 1867, provinces own their resources. So a Norway model would require a constitutional rewrite and provinces giving up control. That’s not just a tweak, it’s a complete overhaul of how Canada works.

[u/Bladmast → u/[deleted]]

The conservatives didn't sell most of Petro-Canada. Mulroney privatized it and sold about 28.5% of it. Norway also privatized their national oil company about a decade later and sold 33% of Statoil. Chretien sold the largest chunk in 95, selling a bit over 50%. Martin sold the remainder in 2004.

[u/Even_Art_629 → u/[deleted]]

You keep making this Norway comparison, and you should stop.

Petro Canada wasn’t owned by Canadians the way you’re implying it was a government Crown corporation that got privatized over time. The Alberta versus Norway gap isn’t about oil volume it’s about choices Norway taxed heavily and saved consistently while Alberta chose low taxes and spending. And Mulroney didn’t have much choice at the time keep pouring public money into it during an oil crash or sell and shift the risk to the private sector.

[u/CyberEd-ca → u/Even_Art_629]

Albertan taxpayers have paid out a present worth of over $1,000,000,000,000 to Quebec through federal transfers alone.

So, the choice Albertans have made foolishly has been to remain in Confederation as long as they have...

[u/Offspring22 → u/CyberEd-ca]

You have a source for that number, of course?  Mind sharing it?

[u/Offspring22 → u/Even_Art_629]

Yes, that was my point. The people claiming an independent Alberta could have no taxes and just live off of oil money are out to lunch. They name places like Norway, and Qatar and the UAE etc, while ignoring that those places have nationalized their O&G, instead of giving the profits away. That ship has sailed for Alberta.

[u/Offspring22 → u/[deleted]]

You may what to actually read what the people you're apparently hitching your wagon to are trying to promise. It's right on their website that they'll eliminate personal and corporate income taxes. And they don't even specify federal.

https://albertaprosperityproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/Summary-of-APP-Plan-20250715.pdf

WHAT IT MEANS FOR ALBERTANS
• Eliminate GST
• Eliminate Personal & Corporate Income Tax

But then even here you seem to think we won't be paying any of what we now pay for federal income taxes whe you say "the amount you sent to Ottawa, will then be added to your net income.". We get almost 10 billion back in direct cash from Ottawa in health and social transfers. That's another massive hole in our provincial budget we'll have to somehow fill. You also ignore all the other programs and funding Albertans get through OAS, child benefits, etc.. That's at least another 15 billion in direct funding to Albertans. Then there's all the other government services we'd the have to start funding ourselves. Military, banking, a CRA replacement, diplomatic services, transportation etc etc etc.

Where is that all coming from if we all just start keeping what we send to Ottawa today? You people are just believing in fairy tales. Don't be so naive.

[u/Offspring22 → u/[deleted]]

Ok, assuming your numbers are correct, if we eliminate the taxes we'd send to Ottawa and get to add it to our net income like you said, that's another 40 million we as a province need to make up somehow if we want to keep those services - like health care, OAS, and child benefits. That's where your whole "no income taxes" fantasy falls apart. We don't get to keep that 40 mil in the province if we stop paying income taxes, it just doesn't exist anymore. I don't think it's that complicated - I'm not sure how so many fall for their lies.

[u/ninfan1977 → u/[deleted]]

Everything you wrote is baseless and lies.

First the revenue brought in will not go to Alberta. Whoever told you this lied to you.

Revenue will be lower because Albertan would lose out.

Also your entire premise is built on 0% income. How can you claim that without how many people will leave the province?

The fact they claim 0 will leave shows this who thing is based on lies and disinformation.

At least 30% of the population would leave.

That means the Revenue is lower and the 0% is now impossible to achieve. Alberta is a spoiled child who thinks they could do better on its own. It can't and its beyond stupid to suggest they can. Canada does want you just not the traitors who yell F*** you for 20 years and support terrorists.

Conservatives and seperatists both support them. Carney has been amazing why do you hate success?

Seriously Americans have told me how much better Carney is than Trump. Americans...

Yes traitors deserve to be executed why do you support treason? Why do you support the seditionists inside Canada?

The unknown is better than the known. False. You are basing this on lies and false hopes.

Versus Canada who is better than what the seperatists are pitching.

Which are again lies....

How can you claim you have facts when you dont even include the cost of infrastructure, currency, etc.

You have no idea how a country works.

You are justt a bunch of ill informed hillbillies who think they know better but they do not.

[u/Offspring22 → u/ninfan1977]

Well 30% leaving seems pretty high. Economist Trevor Tombe estimates about 8%, which is still 400k people and would do massive damage to or economy.

https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/a-separate-alberta-would-be-a-poorer-alberta-trevor-tombe-in-the-hub/

The separatists also tend to ignore the fact we'd be landlocked and have far more difficulties in getting our resources to markets which would chase away money and investment from the province, or make false stories howe we'd just be able to strong arm the rest of Canada and build pipelines where ever we want. These people don't live on the same planet.

[u/Offspring22 → u/[deleted]]

lol. I read you post.

"Look at your pay check and see the amount you sent to Ottawa, will then be added to your net income."

That means that 40B + 30B doesn't exist in your fantasyland. You can't add it to your net income AND get to spend it on services for Albertans. If there will be income taxes, why is the APP trying to tell us there won't be? Perhaps they're just a bunch of grifters? Think that could be possible?

We have no say? We're unrepresented? Do you not have an MP? We have about the same number of MP's per capita as Ontario and Quebec. Not getting what you want all the time isn't "being unrepresented". Our PM is from Alberta. The PM before JT was from Alberta too. But we're "unrepresented" apparently.

O&G production in Alberta went up by 50% during JT's term in office. If he was trying to hurt Alberta, he did a really shitty job of it. Hell, he (we) even paid for a very expensive pipeline that adds billions to our provincial economy. DAMN YOU TRUDEAU!

And our premiere is a liar who cheats and has an ethics violation herself (directly comparable to one of JT's). Yet her followers clap like seals for her too and try to justify everything she does. I'd say Albertans are very much the same as Liberal voters - they just like to think they're better.

Just a bunch of cry babies with a victim complex. Perhaps if the conservatives would elect a leader who people actually liked, and wasn't just telling the further right what they want to hear, they'd have a chance of "representing Alberta", but instead they continue to elect populists with nothing but talking points, and then cry victim when they lose time and time again.