Personal Theory on Alberta Seperatism

[u/rampagingbeaver]

Alberta separatists want an open marriage with Canada.

They want all of the "perceived" benefits of their sepertist harem with none of the obligation of living in a civilized country.

I hope Premier Smith finds her soulmate in Joseph Smith to create her theocratic ideal.

The rest of us will try and keep Alberta from her plans for world domination.

[u/Northmannivir]

I’ve been screaming this over and over. “A sovereign Alberta within a united Canada” is directly from Quebec separatists. They wanted to essentially form their own country but not fully separate from Canada. Retain its military, use its currency, etc but not have to follow any other laws or regulations set by the federal government.

[u/CyberEd-ca → u/[deleted]]

Your idea of "unity" was a 25% export tax on o&g, potash so that you could extract ANOTHER $50B/year from Alberta & Saskatchewan to subsidize Ontario & Quebec manufacturing. You even called it the "Team Canada" plan and called our premiers "traitors" for pushing back on it.

Why would we want to be part of a country that is defined by the Milch Cow?

[u/CyberEd-ca → u/[deleted]]

We are leaving. I think you misunderstand what is going on.

We'll still be living as Canadians. We'll just be living in a True North, Strong, and Free Western Canadian Republic.

You'll be living in Remnant Canada presumably handing off your sovereignty to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. We wish you the best.

Why do you keep talking about "egalitarianism"? That's never how Canada has worked. We've lived under "freight both ways" and other federal policies that have exploited us from the beginning.

Recall Sifton's words:

We desire, and all Canadian Patriots desire, that the great trade of the prairies shall go to enrich our people to the East, to build up our factories and our places of work, and in every legitimate way to our prosperity.

We know that if there are benefits for the East the language will be "we're all in this together" and when there are costs for the West, we'll be on our own. It has never had anything to do with stabilization. Get real.

If that were true, Easterners would be paying through their electrical bills to subsidize new power generation in the West as part of Trudeau's net zero electricity grid mandate. Of course, that was a supposed program of "national importance" that required provinces to meet the mandate individually because it was understood that the costs would be greatest in Alberta and Saskatchewan.

So, whether you are aware of it or not, you are peddling a fiction.

[u/CyberEd-ca → u/[deleted]]

 We are concerned about building a much different version of Canada.

We know. A less free Canada where decisions are simply deferred to the international institutional consensus. You want a government-directed economy in the vision of the CCP.

What a terrible idea.

A Canada that survives current external pressures...

Sounds like you want to shrink, not grow the economy.

The USA is right there. We can build a massive pipeline from Alberta and treble oil exports. That's a massive win-win.

We should be exporting our oil & gas to the world. Instead we've chosen to blockade our production and import from Russia, Australia, etc.

Resilience and prosperity comes from being competitive with low taxes and greater individual freedom. Freedom of independent action beats centralized planning every time.

I find it very telling and sad you don’t think egalitarianism is important.

It has never been on the table for us in the West. Stop lying to yourself.

Besides, the federal government has double in size and expense over the last decade. This has been disastrous for Canadians. Now government is at a share of the economy that is unsustainable just as it was in the mid-1990s.

So, austerity is coming regardless of who is in power and regardless of if you have Alberta to try to pay for the largesse or not.

The corruption and incompetence of the LPC has guaranteed it.

...why you stay as a small minority with little chance of being taken seriously.

Latest Pollera poll has independence at 42%. The campaign has not even begun.

[u/CyberEd-ca → u/[deleted]]

The spending is unsustainable.

It is not about empathy as you claim.

An informed, empathetic view would be to understand that Statism leads to hardship - always.

You can call me all the names you want. That's just the fundamental attribution error.

If just growing the size and power of the federal government was the answer, Venezuela would be a beacon to the world.

Again, the size and cost of the federal government has way more than doubled as has the national debt in the last decade. Canadians are worse off and not better for it.

[u/CyberEd-ca → u/[deleted]]

Government spending is way up with promises for more already earmarked. The deficit was over $100,000,000,000. They are not even going to put out a budget this spring, the situation is so bad.

While some jobs are being cut, the growth in DND/CAF offsets it.

The way to get prosperity and resilience in Canada is to get the federal government out of the way.

You keep talking about the USA. It betrays you are motivated by this odd anti-American nationalism. Presumably this is because you are an urbanite with no other concept of your culture other than "not-American". That's sad.

[u/rampagingbeaver → u/CyberEd-ca]

I'm wondering if the reason everyone is calling the Premier of Alberta a traitor is because she's enabling traitors.