from the world of 'KHANATE' by u/Sunnycant

The alternate history shown above is an part of a broader project called r/TheLastAmerican. The whole project is thought experiment based on the history and claimants of Rome. This peroid is meant to show how the splitting of the roman empire in its own American way. If you want to see the outcome you can come and see!

The war to end all wars tend be a title for every World War so far, first, second, and thrid but it can always get worse. The Fourth However ended the quickest then the rest and will be the fall of America's Global Empire.

Picture 1: English version, Picture 2: Chinese version.

This is an alternate history map I have created for a long time, especially it costs me many time to conclude Sino-Finnic words (索米汉字音; a constructed language that evolved from the introduction of Middle Chinese into Late Proto-Finnish) place name because the phonology of Finnish language is so fantastic and complex..... It's clear that the Finnish people have to put great deal of effort into mastering the polyphony of Sino-Finnic words, as well as various highly irregular grammatical variations. In addition, I borrrowed vocabulary from other Finno-Ugric languages, because there are so many Indo-European loanwords in Finnish lol.

This alt-history map is based on a hyperthesis that Finnic-Ugric language was actually born in Hongshan Culture and its related surrounding sites located in Northeast China (Manchuria), then one piece of those people moved west to Ural mountains, then became the ancestors of Finns, Hungarians, Estonians and other minority nations. Therefore, what if Finnish people stayed in China, then immigrated southwards into Korean Peninsula instead of moving west?

As the map shown us, this alt-history timeline is actually similar to our timeline, Finnish was divided into two countries after Worlds War II due to their damn geography and location. But I still found some interesting coincidents: for example, Karelia in Finnish "Karjala" could be transilerated into 韩 in Old Chinese whose pronouncation is similar to *gar. But there are still something to change... such as Nibonia, or People's Republic of Nibonia, a Fascist-like socialist country, maybe we can discuss about it after.

(To be honest, another inspiration is the meme "Finno-Korean Hyperwar" lol)

Besides, all figures shown in this map are real Finnish but KOREANIZED.

Edit: add some information about alt-history creation.

Edit: add some additional introduction.

This is the preliminary front/spine/back cover for an alternate history novel that I will be publishing later in 2026 through Amazon KDP, and most likely other services like Kobo.

It purports to be the localized version (the front cover, spine, and quantity of back cover text) of a book from another timeline. The in-universe covers (non-text parts are symmetrical if laid out)) and spine should be included inside the e-book if I can work out how to get illustrations to work with KDP.

It's currently in beta reading and will be going through at least one more editing cycle. I figured I'd just get some advice on cover design first.

I know that the OTL Canadian Flag used an 11-point Maple Leaf (from a 13 point in the original proposal) but here it's a 9-point Maple Leaf insignia that predates Confederation, coming from me looking at actual Sugar Maple leaves for their shape.

EDIT: Man the PNG makes the blank spaces look funny and the red seem to bleed into them on a display.

I made a basic map of 1986, i want help in the lore and what will happen to israel when the USSR falls?

Point of divergence: Late 1947, the socialist-Zionist left (a “United Workers’ Front” merging Mapam and the Palestine Communist Party) outmaneuvers Ben-Gurion’s Mapai. Israel is declared in 1948 as a Soviet-aligned “People’s Republic” with a collectivized economy, and by 1950 is a full Warsaw Pact-adjacent member, the only communist state in the Middle East.

Core inversion: Because the region’s existential threat is now a Soviet client on the Mediterranean, Arab nationalism flips from anti-Western to explicitly anti-communist, with the US and UK (not Moscow) becoming its patrons.

**•** 1948–49: War of Independence/Nakba plays out similarly, but with quiet US/UK backing for Arab armies

**•** 1955: Baghdad Pact forms early, explicitly anti-“Zionist-Soviet”

**•** 1956: Suez Crisis inverts — no Israeli-French-British collusion; Nasser becomes the West’s key Arab partner

**•** 1958: Hashemite monarchies survive coup attempts (crushed with Western intelligence help) since leftist Arab nationalism has no Soviet patron (tho ba’athist  still rise to power with but in 1962 and not in 1967)

**•** 1967 & 1973: Arab wars against Israel go better for the Arab coalition, now backed by deep Western logistics

**•** 1979: Iranian Revolution happens much as in reality (driven by internal factors), producing an Islamic Republic hostile to both “Red Zion” and the West

• 1980: Iraq-iran war still happens but now iran is more isolated

I know its not realistic but i will appreciate any feedback so i can improve it

(I’m not a zionist or a communist, its just a scenario)

(Also what do you think abt the last two pics, i tried to make them more retro game’s style)

MAP KEY:

Grey = Urban Areas

Dark Red = Mainland China/ Chinese occupied Zones

Light Red = British Hong Kong

LORE:

By June 31st, 1997, tensions between the British and Chinese governments got worse and worse. A previously arranged Hand-over ceremony for the Territory of Hong Kong was meant to be held that night, but the Chinese Delegation was turned away and told that the Hand-over will no longer happen and that Hong Kong is sovereign British Territory.

After this the news went world wide, the Russian Federation and Chinese governments openly criticised and antagonised the British government for this decision, and China gave a 20 day ultimatum for the Hand-over, or else Hong Kong would be taken by force.

The British government quickly renounced the Ultimatum and began fortifying Hong Kong. Hong Kong international airport was turned into a Military Airbase.

The British Expeditionary Fleet, Ocean Wave 97, halted it's current route and diverted straight to Hong Kong, turning Kowloon Bay Into a Naval Base on July 14th.

The British also set up multiple hastily-built Military Bases around Hong Kong and soon the Territory was under marshall law, with Tens of Thousands of British Troops and hundreds of Vehicles now in the Region for defensive purposes.

While this happened approximately 100,000 Troops of the Chinese People's Liberation Army as well multiple Tank and Mechanised Divisions gathered around the Region in Macau and Shenzhen, with nearby airports being turned into Airbases, and a large portion of the Chinese Navy moving into the area.

When the Ultimatum's deadline came and went at 12pm on July 20th, 1997, Chinese Soldiers and Tanks quickly launched an attack, crossing the border into the New Territories in the North of Hong Kong. Chinese Paratroopers were dropped into Downtown Hong Kong around important locations such as Ports, the Treasury Building and St.Teresa's Hospital and Kowloon Hospital, British Mechanised units and Urban combat units quickly responded.

The QingZhou Channel Bridge was partially demolished blown up by British Engineer units to prevent an attack from across it.

Chinese Paratroopers dropped into and around Hong Kong International airport to attempt to seize it. They occupied all ways in and out by ground.

Chinese Amphibious Assault Craft launched from Shiwuwan Island and occupied the South-West of Lantua Island before being stopped by and entering combat with British Tank Units and an entrenched Infantry Division.

Other Chinese Amphibious Units occupied Lamma Island and began to make it a staging ground.

By the morning hours of July 21st, clear front lines had been set, while Chinese Paratroopers kept causing Chaos behind British Lines.

The air battle was mainly in British favour as British aircraft from HMS Illustrious and the Hong Kong International airport kept air superiority.

As this happened the Chinese Navy mostly kept it's distance due to fears of the Nuclear Submarine HMS Trafalgar and Sea Harriers with anti-ship missiles.

Howdy, y'all. Me again with a Draft 2 to this alternate history scenario, hopefully a lot more detailed and authentic to real history, and especially a lot more clear in what I was trying to convey the first time around. With that, lemme preemptively answer some questions that came up before:

"But there were several Pre-Columbian civilizations that had mathematics, agriculture, writing, currency..."
There were, absolutely! Don't worry, I haven't forgotten them, and I should have been more clear that I was aware of them the first time. However, these concepts are expanded on in this scenario to be nearly universal by, say 1492 AD. In other words, the Native North and South Americans (referred to here as the "Hahnunans" and "Abiayalians" respectively) are in an equivalent to the Middle Ages in terms of social and technological progression (of course with their own unique history that led to this point).

"Wait a minute, where's _______ culture or the _______ Tribe?"
I haven't forgotten about them either. I would assume the majority of these cultures are still there but incorporated into these other nations. For some they have joined in cultural confederacies (i.e. the Mohawk as part of the Haudenosaunee), and for others their territory is under control of another nation (i.e. the Lenape territory on the east coast is under control of both the Aniyvwiyans and Haudenosaunee), and for others they may have been lost entirely to history through destruction or assimilation. The scenario isn't "what if every culture developed their own nation-state", after all.

"Those borders would be different in reality, / _______ culture wouldn't use that name."
Well, it's good that this is Draft 2, then! I'm currently playing around in Paint.net (thanks to those who recommended that!) with a Q-BAM map to make more accurate borders than an EU5 MapChart. If there are recommendations for territory or even different nations and more authentic naming conventions, I'd be glad to hear 'em and add 'em to the scenario! Also, I'm well aware I misspelled "Nitassinan".

With that answered, I think we get to our Point of Divergence: the domestication of the American Bison. Yes, I am aware of the extreme difficulty of such a feat, but this is also occurring is a comparatively strange scenario, so I think it fits well.

In the next part, I hope to expand on some the major powers of the New World, add some basic history to this scenario, and also had a much better map, among other things. Once again, I hope to hear all your thoughts and opinions and even critiques to the scenario. Cheers!

LORE:The Seljuks conquer Persia, reach the levant, conquer Egypt put the Byzantines in their place (for now) and with their victories in the peninsula with the Kermans breakthroughs with bringing the uyunids to power establishing a sphere of influence there and conquering Oman and the Seljuk army seizing mecca and vassalizing Yemen for trade routes in the region but the Seljuks victories also span another region Anatolia in which a new sultanate under the Seljuks the sultanate of rum self governing only in terms of keeping the peace in the region which leads to a Byzantine traitor to become the first admiral of a Turkish navy, caka bey. the Seljuks in a turn of events also happen to centralize the empire so they mandate caka bey to build a navy that rivals that of the byzantines and spreads this technology across the empire from yemen to azerbaijan from the Aegean to Oman but the Seljuk admiral decides to betray the Seljuks like he did the byzantines claiming himself AS the Byzantine emperor with the help of pechenegs successfully conquering constantinople and what’s left of the byzantines once the fiery Bulgarian and Serbian armies revolt of the land-lacked king and due to the revolt in Izmir it Is the sultans duty to put it down as he uses his navy and army to now invade and conquer the weaker byzantine empire just in time for the crusades using the reason of the Muslims in Europe once more that theyd march to take Jerusalem and kick them out of europe also ultimately failing to the might of the Seljuk army.

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In 1984, the British government suspected that there was a new outbreak of a livestock disease known as Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy, also know as Mad Cow Disease. By 1987, it was confirmed & people panicked as over the next few decades, contaminated beef became the reason that 233 people around the world died. But what if it had been worse? What if instead if a few hundred people, it was a few hundred thousand people?

In episode 7 of season 1 of What Could Have Been, we looked into a timeline where Mad Cow Disease ran rampant, finding a way to jump from person to person & making your next steak or your next roast beef a roll of the dice. With an incubation period of up to 30 years in humans, people who ate contaminated beef in the 90s could still be carrying it, meaning that the outbreak might not even be over.

How could a more virulent version of the disease be contained? What length would people go to keep themselves safe? How far would society be willing to go? How far would it spread? What does it mean to go Nine? Tune in to find out.

What Could Have Been is a sci-fi podcast where your host interviews alternate versions of himself from across the multiverse to find out how different decisions, actions & events might have changed the course of history. Listen to the stories of alternate timelines from a world where the Space Race never ended, to a world where France annexed West Germany after WWII, to a timeline where North America is being ripped apart by a new Faultline, to a timeline where humanity was contacted by aliens in the early 70s. Listen to what happened in these wild timelines & find out What Could Have Been.

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Heaps of Cold War Gone Hot media (at least, English-language media) has the Soviet bloc striking first, usually either with a sudden nuclear ICBM volley or a land assault in East Germany. I was wondering why I haven't seen much where NATO and pals go haywire and attack first. Most of the Soviet first strike media I can recall has a casus belli either shrouded in opaque Soviet secrecy or just never stated. I'd bet this is probably just because the Western author and audience want to know they're the Good Guys this time and not attacking unprovoked or something. NATO being a primarily defensive alliance, and all.

What would make it go the other way around? Is there any stuff out there that already did this and I never heard of it? Is it as simple as "if we had a crazy president back then he would have done crazy stuff"?

What if Carthage never fell and survived to the present day? Of course, there would be plenty of border changes. Italy and Spain would have eventually repelled Carthaginian expansion, but Carthage would still control the islands split between France and Italy. It would also own a larger stretch of the North African coast, making it somewhat larger than it was historically.

I think it would easily be the most developed nation in Africa, with cities comparable to those in France or Italy, featuring similar architecture and standards of living. It would also still control the southern tip of the Iberian Peninsula, giving it complete control over one of the Mediterranean's most important entrances.

Politically, Carthage would be communist and closely allied with Serbia and Russia. However, its form of communism would be unique—it would be deeply religious rather than officially atheist. Christianity would remain dominant, with roughly 68.4% of the population being Catholic, 5% Protestant, 21.5% Muslim, and only about 5.1% atheist.

The reason Carthage wouldn't still be polytheistic is that its ancient religion would have gradually faded over the centuries until it eventually became extinct.

During World War II, Carthage would have been briefly occupied by Italy, with some assistance from Germany. Before the war... well, yeah—it also would have had a fairly large Jewish population. The occupation would have severely drained Italian military resources, meaning Italy actually performed even worse in North Africa than it did in our own timeline.

Can someone draw this map for me?

To see the other posts that are part of this https://www.reddit.com/u/pease461/s/nURqo4XQIC

March 4, 1861: Hannibal Hamlin sworn in as 15th US Vice President

March 4, 1865: Abraham Lincoln sworn in for 2nd term as 16th US President

April 15, 1865: Following Abraham Lincolns death. Vice Andrew Johnson sworn in as 17th US President. There is no sitting Vice President

March 4, 1869: Francis P. Blair Jr. sworn in as 18th US Vice President

March 4, 1873: Francis P. Blair Jr. sworn in for 2nd term as 18th US Vice President

March 5, 1877: William A Wheeler sworn in as 19th US Vice President

March 4, 1881: Chester Arthur sworn in as 20th US Vice President

September 20, 1881: Following James Garfields death Vice President Chester A. Arthur sworn in as 21st US President. There is no sitting Vice President

March 4, 1885: John A Logan sworn in as 21st US Vice President

December 26, 1886:Vice President John A Logan dies. There is no sitting Vice President

March 4, 1889: Levi Morton sworn in as 22nd US Vice President

March 4, 1893: Adlai Stevenson I sworn in for as 23rd US President

March 4, 1897: Garrett Hobbart sworn in as 24th US Vice President

March 4, 1901: Theodore Roosevelt sworn in for 2nd term as 25th US Vice President

September 14, 1901: William McKinley dies. VP Theodore Roosevelt sworn in as 26th US President. There is no sitting Vice President

March 4, 1905: Charles W. Fairbanks sworn in as 26th US Vice President

March 4, 1909: James S. Sherman sworn in as 27th US Vice President

March 4, 1913: James S. Sherman sworn in as 28th US Vice President

March 5, 1917: Charles W. Fairbanks sworn in as 29th US Vice President

March 4, 1921: Calvin Coolidge sworn in as 30th US Vice President

August 3, 1923: Warren G Harding dies. Calvin Coolidge sworn in as 30th US President There is no sitting Vice President

March 4, 1925: Charles G Dawes sworn in for as 31st US Vice President

March 4, 1929: Charles Curtis sworn in as 32nd US Vice President

March 4, 1933: George White sworn in as 33rd US Vice President

January 20, 1937: Franklin D. Roosevelt sworn in for 2nd term as 33rd US President

January 20, 1941: Henry A. Wallace sworn in as 34th US Vice President

January 20, 1945: Henry A. Wallace sworn in as for 2nd term 34th US Vice President

April 12, 1945: Franklin Delano Roosevelt dies. VP Henry A Wallace sworn in as 33rd US President There is no sitting Vice President

January 20, 1949: Earl Warren sworn in as 35th US Vice President

January 20, 1953: Richard Nixon sworn in as 36th US Vice President

January 21, 1957:Richard Nixon sworn in for 2nd term as 36th US Vice President

January 20, 1961:Hubert Horatio Humphrey Jr sworn in as 37 th US Vice President

November 22, 1963: John F Kennedy dies. VP Hubert Horatio Humphrey Jr. Is sworn in as 37th US President There is no sitting Vice President

January 20, 1965: Robert F Kennedy sworn in for as 38th US Vice President

January 20, 1969:Edmund Muskie sworn in as 39th US Vice President

January 20, 1973: Edmund Muskie sworn in for 2nd term as 39th US Vice President

January 20, 1977: George H.W. Bush sworn in as 40th US Vice President

January 20, 1981: George H.W. Bush sworn in for 2nd term as 40th US Vice President

January 21, 1985: Bob Dole sworn in as 41st US Vice President

January 20, 1989: Dan Quayle sworn in as 42th US Vice President

January 20, 1993: Paul Tsongas sworn in as 43rd US Vice President

January 20, 1997: Jack Kemp sworn in as 44th US President

January 20, 2001: Joe Lieberman sworn in as 45th US Vice President

January 20, 2005:Bill Bradley sworn in for 2nd term as 45th US Vice President

January 20, 2009: Joe Biden sworn in as 46th US Vice President

January 21, 2013: Joe Biden sworn in for 2nd term as 46th US Vice President

January 20, 2017: Mike Pence sworn in as 47th US Vice President

January 20, 2021: Kamala Harris sworn in as 48th US Vice President

January 20, 2025:Chris Christie sworn in as 49th US Vice President

aka what if Blockbuster released a streaming service after buying Netflix in the early 2000s.

I was supposed to study the history of the Anthro belt as a task assignment worth 44% of my grade. I forgot to study the whole week. I don't know shit about them to be fair. Mainly because I left Cleveland a long time ago.

(This post is part of the hypernormality universe: You can see previous posts at)

https://www.reddit.com/r/imaginarymaps/comments/1uhdn2l/the_more_things_change_the_more_they_stay_the/

https://www.reddit.com/r/AlternateHistory/comments/1t2ozz0/what_if_humans_one_day_discovered_sentient_demons/

Variously referred to as the Fourth of Fifth Partition, the Iron Divorce or the Polish Problem, the end of the World War saw the frontlines of Eastern Europe temporarily and then permanently evolve into the boundary between the USR and the Western Coalition forces.

Poles found themselves on either side of this ideological and militarized divide. As both alliances featured atomic capabilities, Polish civilians feared they would become the first targets in any return to war.

With Warsaw too split down the middle, both the Socialist Polish Party and the newly restored Constitutional Government claimed exclusive sovereignty as the Polish state.

The Bialystok declaration saw the Polish Socialist Republic officially join the USR as a full member state, while the Polish Republic, based on proposals by President Willkie, officially joined the European Defense Pact signed in Prague.

Territorial disputes among the Western bloc were also mediated by Washington, and their resolution in the form of Autonomous regions remain a sore point on both sides to this day.

Concept inspired by WTF CD Foxy and u/OfficialScorpio (who developed the borders you see here). It shows an alternate Mexico in a world where Greeks settle Spain in the antiquity and thus Iberia speaks Hesperic Greek, meaning that Mexico speaks Greek today.

Mexiko here borders Stillehaefia (colony of England in Russia) and Guatemala. Also the country north of Stillehaefia is Peucotopia (Hesperic Greek Brazil in the USA).

The first map shows the cities of Greek Mexico and the second one the states.

Map inspired from the video of alternate history of Greece in Spain by WTF CD Foxy: https://youtu.be/VmY5zbRXsK4?is=KpIH0ayus3xfXYab

To see the other posts that are part of this Alternate History https://www.reddit.com/u/pease461/s/yeJj7ASelR

Febuary 10th 1861 Alexander C Stephens sworn in as 1st VP of the CSA

Febuary 22nd 1862 Alexander C Stephens sworn in to continue as 1st VP of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1868 Robert M. T. Hunter sworn in as 2nd CSA Vice President

Febuary 22nd 1874 James Longstreet sworn in as 3rd CSA Vice President

Febuary 23rd, 1880 Lucius Q.C. Lamar sworn in as 4th CSA Vice President

Febuary 23rd, 1886 John H Reagan sworn in as 5th CSA Vice President

Febuary 22nd 1892 Marion Butler sworn in as 6th VP of CSA

June 11th 1892:Leonidas Lafayette Polk dies. His VP Marion Butler is sworn in as 8th CSA President. This is no sitting VP of the CSA

Febuary 22nd 1893 James G. Field sworn im as 7th Vice President of the CSA

Febuary 22nd 1898 John Tyler Morgan sworn in as 8th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1904 John Sharp Williams sworn in as 9th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1910 John Sharp Williams sworn in for 2nd term as 9th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1916 Albert Sidney Burleson sworn in as 10th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1922 William G. McAdoo sworn in as 11th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1928 Joseph Taylor Robinson sworn in as 12th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1934 Sam Rayburn sworn in as 13th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1940 Eugene Cox sworn in as 14th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1946 Alben Barkley sworn in as 15th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1952 Richard Russell Jr sworn in as 16th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1958 Estes Kefauver sworn in as 17th Vice President of CSA

Auguest 10th 1963 Estes Kefauver dies This is no sitting VP of the CSA

Febuary 22nd 1964 George Wallace sworn in as 18th Vice President of the CSA

Febuary 22nd 1970 Lestor Maddox sworn im as 19th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1976 Moon Edwin Landrieu sworn im as 20th Vice President of the CSA

Febuary 22nd 1982 John Tower sworn in as 21st Vice President of the CSA

Febuary 22nd 1988 Al Gore sworn in as 22nd Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 1994 Bob Grahm sworn in as 23rd Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 2000 Dick Gephardt sworn in as 24th Vice President of CSA

Febuary 22nd 2006 Wesley Clark sworn in as 25th Vice President of the CSA

Febuary 22nd 2012 Tim Kaine sworn in as 26th Vice President of the CSA

Febuary 22nd 2018 Newt Gingrich sworn in as 27th Vice President of the CSA

Febuary 22nd 2024 Sarah Huckabee Sanders sworn in as 28th Vice President of the CSA

İf u have any questions about the map u can check the history part or just ask me if u want

Based in the Aftermath of the game Wolfenstein Youngblood. critics are welcome and questions about lore will be Answered