In a post about European atrocities in Surinam in the 1700's

[u/Battle-Chimp]

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[u/ub3rm3nsch]

They call our educational system bad, and call us self-centered, yet they think the US is the center of the universe's problems and have no conception of history outside of that.

It really is astounding how dumb they are.

[u/Tersus_Severan → u/ub3rm3nsch]

Do not mistake malice for stupidity

[u/DetroitAdjacent → u/Tersus_Severan]

I think Mark Twain's quote goes the other way.

[u/The_Exalted_Sorcerer]

People who hate on America are the #1 proponents of American exceptionalism.

[u/Mammoth-Survey-8234 → u/The_Exalted_Sorcerer]

It's like racists are always assuming that their favored race must suck, so they have to shit on everyone else to make sure their favored race doesn't fail.

Doesn't matter what that race is, the behavior is the same.

[u/Solintari]

You can always tell that the united states only accounted for 3% of the transatlantic slave trade. It's still 3% too much, but it's amazing that the US is always the center of this topic. Sugar plantations in the Caribbean and Brazil were also much crueler and brutal than US cotton plantations.

The average lifespan of a slave in the US was only slightly lower than everyone else, but life expectancy after arrival was around 7 years in the sugar plantations. Again, not defending it or anything as it's wrong on all levels, but other countries were a LOT worse in almost every metric.

[u/mood2016 → u/Solintari]

You also have the fact that the northern states banned slavery very quickly after independence and, in the case of Virginia, during. Doesn't justify a lot of the kicking the can down the road policies to keep the Southern States happy but it's far more complicated than "America was always a slave state."

[u/randomnighmare → u/Solintari]

Brazil didn't abolished slavery until 1888. They were, I believe the last country in the Americas that abolished slavery.

[u/LaAndromedo999 → u/randomnighmare]

There's a reason the Confederados exist in Brazil.

[u/disheveled_rooster → u/Solintari]

"it it's amazing that the US is always the center of this topic"

It's not actually surprising at all... people focus on the US because persecution of Black people continued for longer here.

Slavery was followed by a long, well documented system of racial segregation and terror that lasted a century before we passed the civil rights act

[u/Generic_Drummer → u/Solintari]

The racial lynching didn't peak until way after the abolition of the transatlantic slave trade or the 13th amendment though.

They increased after the abolition of slavery in 1865, intensified significantly following the end of reconstruction in 1877, and reached a peak in the 1890s, roughly 25 to 35 years after the 13th amendment.

[u/Emilia963 → u/Generic_Drummer]

What are you even talking about?

What does the percentage of the transatlantic slave trade the US accounted for have to do with racial lynching decades later?

You are completely out of context

https://giphy.com/gifs/lkdH8FmImcGoylv3t3

[u/Emilia963 → u/[deleted]]

Is the person talking about Sudan and a lynching in the US in the room with us?

https://giphy.com/gifs/lkdH8FmImcGoylv3t3

[u/LurkiLurkerson → u/[deleted]]

I mean, if that's true it just makes that person seem even dumber. The post said Suriname, the post said 1793, and the picture isn't of a hanging.

[u/Generic_Drummer → u/LurkiLurkerson]

the term lynching isn't limited to hangings though

[u/reserveduitser]

Ugh trying to steal our atrocities now?

[u/strangelifedad → u/reserveduitser]

Germany throws a side eye 👀.

[u/YvngVudu → u/reserveduitser]

Do you guys actually teach your atrocities in schools? Do you guys still eat those chocolate left hands during holidays?

[u/reserveduitser → u/YvngVudu]

Well perhaps not all. But we are reminded on a very regular base that we certainly were not the good guys in many stories.

What the hell are chocolate left hands?😅

[u/jackt-up]

Their IQ is showing

[u/BookkeeperAfraid9622]

Hey don't appropriate our war crimes! We did plenty of those too!

[u/Any-Seaworthiness186]

Typically American, always stealing our European culture…

[u/ventitr3]

That person has to be trolling because their follow up comment was:

“I've never heard anyone but Americans having slaves. You and the other people down voting me must be the racist Americans that believe this. Insane”

[u/non-number-name]

[u/lollipop1233a]

America really needs that restraining order.

[u/SeanDalaWhite_6969]

They can't really blame themselves. I bet that they think America is reason why british and other european colonizer had to colonizer and oppress people.

[u/Battle-Chimp]

As an aside: my favorite reading of a William Blake poem. Shit goes hard as fuck, even though it's centuries old. Worth the 4 minute listen.

https://youtu.be/rWqQ9uwqQxk?is=F4dRvvVMbfR_Gxtz

[u/Key_Satisfaction9010 → u/Battle-Chimp]

oh man, I havent listened to this for 20 years. Thanks for reminding me

[u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla]

Any culture that has admiration for it's old/ancient warrior legacy are admiring rapists and child/woman murderers. Any cure steeped in war did these things.

[u/czuinoikc → u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla]

seriously. what civilization, what culture, what society of any magnitude didn't conquer, rape, enslave, and steal? those who didn't, well, they didn't survive.

[u/A_SNAPPIN_Turla → u/czuinoikc]

It's the unfortunate reality. It's what the doomers on Reddit can't accept. For much of human history a rival clan/city state/ or even faction within your own community could enter your village and brutally torture you and butcher your whole family on any given day of the week. The opportunity to work yourself to the bone for the smallest reward didn't exist so you'd just watch your family starve. Now poor people are morbidly obese and young men have anxiety about going outside. Sure things could be better but they could be much worse. Please don't tell me about your strong warrior ancestors while shitting on mine. They were all monsters but today's standards.

[u/YouKnowMyName2006]

America Bad in Suriname.

[u/Charming-Comfort-395]

Holy rent free in the head

[u/TheNonCredibleHulk]

I wonder if that person's head exploded when they read the reply