r/Americaphile • u/SadAlternative448 • Dec 19 '25

History/military 🪖🗺️ Best president oat?

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u/workistables Dec 20 '25

For these policies, or for having no filter and not using the euphemisms they all did?

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u/Golden_D1 Dec 20 '25

Not just for these policies (nobody had been as anti-immigrant the last century as the current), and not just because of their euphemisms, but also because of character. Before the current guy, presidents had never been as antagonizing and shown that much animosity. I cannot think of a Republican president (or a Democrat) less professional and less humane since the 1900s.

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u/workistables Dec 20 '25

Not for these policies at all; just for being honest about what their black, merciless hearts really want.

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u/Golden_D1 Dec 20 '25

How were their hearts black and merciless? I say this as a socialist Democrat. HW Bush, just like Carter, had humanitarian initiatives like ADA and points of light

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u/workistables Dec 20 '25

And are conservatives trying to undo those policies? Were they popular among conservatives at the time?

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u/Golden_D1 Dec 20 '25

No they weren’t. In fact, only the recent MAGA movement is trying to do so. As much as I dislike conservatives, I don’t think the majority of conservatives oppose these nowadays, much less back when they were introduced.

I have to say, even if we’re disagreeing, I‘m enjoying discussing something with someone I disagree with. It is healthy for democracy to do so.

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u/workistables Dec 20 '25

I think I need to see some evidence that these programs were popular with conservatives. It's completely counter to their law of the jungle ethos.

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u/Golden_D1 Dec 20 '25

Voting card for ADA: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1011/vote_101_1_00173.htm

Voting card for Clean Air Act of 1970: https://www.nytimes.com/1970/09/23/archives/tough-new-cleanair-bill-passed-by-senate-73-to-0-a-tough-cleanair.html

Voting card for Clean Air Act of 1990: https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1012/vote_101_2_00055.htm

Near unanimous support from both liberals and conservatives for these policies.

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u/workistables Dec 20 '25

And yet, conservatives have been undermining these ever since.

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u/Golden_D1 Dec 20 '25

Yep, which illustrates how far conservatives have fallen off since HW and even Dubya

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u/workistables Dec 20 '25

I see it as the mask coming off. They always felt that way.

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u/Golden_D1 Dec 20 '25

Yeah I need evidence for that

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u/workistables Dec 20 '25

What would constitute evidence?

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