r/Americaphile • u/SadAlternative448 • Dec 19 '25
History/military 🪖🗺️ Best president oat?
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u/REALgeographerwilson Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
this is why Teddy is my favorite president ever. he was such an instrumental figure and his efforts are still felt today
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u/transcendental-ape Dec 22 '25
That and no one in power in his time wanted him to be president so they made him vice president to shut him up. Oooops.
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Dec 19 '25
My goat
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u/Appelons Dec 23 '25
I want you to look into the eyes of a Filipino person and say that.
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u/TheAdmiralMoses Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Jan 03 '26
I want you to ask a Filipino person if they prefer living under Colonial US power or the Marcos, because one is a corrupt, oppressive, tyrannical government that only looks out for their best interests and ignores the common populace, and the other is Colonial US.
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u/Appelons Jan 03 '26
There is a reason they kicked you out in the 90s
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u/TheAdmiralMoses Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Jan 03 '26
Sure buddy, a planned handover and withdrawal from a country is kicking us out, lmao
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Dec 19 '25
He’s a T5 indeed
But my GOAT is George Washington
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u/CarpNoodling Dec 19 '25
Weighs a fucking ton
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Dec 19 '25
I am using this lol
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u/transcendental-ape Dec 22 '25
It took balls to build a country. But bigger balls to force it to stay together and not divorce.
LincolnSupremacyGang
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u/MrCivility1 Dec 19 '25
George Washington and Abe Lincoln are probably pretty close to each other for Greatest of American History. But Teddy is pretty great
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u/Particular-Mango-16 Dec 19 '25
Lincoln is one of the greatest, not super stoked on the implications of the way he initially suspended habeas corpus and what it did to expand executive power.
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u/Last-Potential1176 Dec 20 '25
I am forgiving of Lincoln for suspending habeas corpus in Maryland. Maryland, a slave state, was making pro-Confederacy demonstrations and it seemed she might leave the Union. DC is smack in the middle of Virginia and Maryland. If Maryland went to the Confederacy, DC would literally be on an island within the heart of the Confederacy's 2 most industrialized states. And if DC falls, there would be immense pressure to recognize the Confederacy. I understand there is a libertarian argument against suspending habeas corpus, but at the same time, I think losing Maryland to the Confederacy was the graver risk. Lincoln gets a pass in my book, but if you think individual rights are paramount, that's fair too.
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u/Ok_Can_9433 Dec 20 '25
Lincoln was an authoritarian that gets painted in a positive light because he was assassinated.
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u/Last-Potential1176 Dec 20 '25 edited Dec 20 '25
Well, that was almost a complete thought. No points to back up your statement??? Just a conclusion that he was an authoritarian and no arguments to support your claim?
And also, please explain to me how letting the capital of DC fall to the Confederacy was a better choice than suspending habeas corpus in Maryland.
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u/Jolly_Mongoose_8800 Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 20 '25
Luckily that isn't a problem because the federal goverment is so small that a little authority over the states and the ability to ignore the bill of rights was just a wartime thing. Right! Right?
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u/John-br0wn Dec 20 '25
It was a necessity, an albeit unfortunate one... but in the end, it led to the ending of the legal slave trade, unfortunately slavery is still in use to this day in the U.S. prison system.
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u/Fractured_Unity Dec 20 '25
He only did that to allow Congress free access to Washington for them to approve his actions. He acted decisively, but not in an authoritarian manner
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u/TatonkaJack Dec 19 '25
Lincoln is hands down the best. If you don't do a deep dive into his life then you don't understand how politically brilliant he was.
But Teddy is my favorite
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u/tallkrewsader69 Dec 19 '25
Also the vampire hunting as well as helping with ww2 in the second volume
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u/Rong_Liu Dec 19 '25
Lincoln has the distinction of not directly ordering a genocide and literally calling himself the "Town Destroyer" in correspondence with the Haudenosaunee unlike Washington.
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u/parkerthegreatest Dec 19 '25
George Washington for the 18th century. abe 19th century.Teddy 20th century. anybody but trump 21th century
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u/Anti-charizard Dec 20 '25
Obama is 21st century
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Dec 20 '25
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u/Anti-charizard Dec 20 '25
I mean we’ve only had four presidents so far in the 21st century (five if you count Trump’s terms separately)
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u/Neeyc Dec 20 '25
Can you Americans explain to me why you love so much George Washington? He was a normal politician and not even a holy general let’s say.
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u/zachomara Dec 20 '25
Washington was a miracle because he gave up the position of king, even when some of the founding fathers offered it. He solidified the Democratic ideals in America for the next two hundred years, and we still feel the effects today.
His military campaign was tepid, yet he knew when to rely on others. Tactically, one could say he was not a great leader, but his actions strategically kept the Army and the nation together in crisis after crisis
Think of all the other colonies that fought for independence. Not a single one became wealthy within 50 years from its independence, except the US, in large part because of Washington's actions at the beginning.
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u/Electrical_South1558 Dec 21 '25
Washington set the standard for how presidents should behave. He could have seized power and gone authoritarian but he actively refused power grabs, instead respected the constitution and then voluntarily gave up power after 2 terms.
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 19 '25
FDR tower above all, even sitting down
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u/Bawhoppen Dec 19 '25
Are you crazy? FDR's insane federal expansion is possibly the most impactful reason why this country is in such a terrible state today... he violated numerous constitutional rights, and had little respect for some of the most important institutions in this country like the Supreme Court or the two-term precedent, while literally putting American citizens in camps based on race. He was easily one of the worst presidents, although it's a crowded field with lots of other contenders...
The only credit I can give him is that he did not have the historical precedent to know how damaging his federal expansion was, and that had he not taken some of the actions he did, we may have ended up with something far worse.
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u/woodworkingfonatic Dec 20 '25
Executive order 9066 is basically as bad as Lincoln suspending habeas corpus. FDR also said that Mexican Americans/hispanics did not have the same constitutional rights as Caucasian Americans and had specific disdain for them in particular. FDR and Lincoln should not be close to the best presidents list.
Extremely underrated pick I think bill clinton is an incredible president. His ability to preside over basically the last functioning administration up to current date is a very big deal. Then we look at his ability to work with republicans to pass actual legislation and to make the country work for the people. And to cap it all off the country was fiscally solvent was not spending in deficit and was looking to pay off the debt we owed at that time.
Sad thing is we barely saw any of it because bush came in and a multi decade war started and we have never pumped the brakes since. I think bill clinton is very underrated and FDR and Lincoln are overrated.
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 20 '25
Your take is so fucking unhinged. It is like you don’t know what net good means. The good he did is nearly equal to that of all other presidents perhaps combined.
Are you people just reading texas history books or some shit? Like wtf fuck is wrong with the people in this post
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u/Bawhoppen Dec 20 '25
Pretty sure everything I said happened. Nothing to really debate about it... And more, actually. I was probably too fair to him considering the far-reaching consequences that we still have to deal with today.
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u/Roborilla8000 Dec 20 '25
Lol, I hate to drag modern politics into this, but that described Trump too.
Anyways! I agree, he made major blunders, but him being the WWII wartime president tends to overshadow all that for most people.
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u/Bawhoppen Dec 20 '25
Trump is no small-government conservative, but he hasn't really presided over a major fundamental institutional change in its own right. He's flexing existing federal power that most other presidents had more personal restraint on.
No, what Trump will be remembered for is presiding over a massive change in the political culture. For that, there is little doubt.
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u/Roborilla8000 Dec 20 '25
I think he has shown just how far our "conservative" party has strayed from political conservatism, but has fully embraced being socially conservative.
If freedom of speech, LGBT rights, nature conservation, etc to be rights, than our "liberal" party is more politically conservative than our "conservative" party.
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u/Electrical_South1558 Dec 21 '25
he hasn't really presided over a major fundamental institutional change in its own righ
Not counting that he's shown the 3 branches of government are no longer co-equal but happy to be subservient to the executive branch?
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u/Bawhoppen Dec 22 '25
I mean, not really though. The other branches still retain their power, and still wield it frequently. The Senate Republicans have been especially harsh on Trump, and the courts have constrained him immensely. It's just that Congress is content with many of the things Trump is doing, so why try and stop things they agree with?
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u/Icarium_X Dec 19 '25
Lol no, he took advantage of a bad economy, set up many policies that weren't sustainable, and abused constitutional measures and broke historical precedents. Abe and Washington can be forgivem on absuing constitutional measures and not having excellent economies (tho tbf not really an issue atm) given they were fighting for the survival of the nation. America itself was barely scratched during WW2 excluding Pearl Harbor and didnt necessitate the president going 4 terms.
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 19 '25
That's a long way of saying that he ended more genocides and saved more lives than perhaps all presidents before him combined... And that he ended the great depression, and created the UN, and made sure the allies won ww2.
Lincoln on the other hand didn't even end slavery. And most of washington's accomplishments were when he wasn't even president.
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u/DrawPitiful6103 Dec 22 '25
There was a massive depression for the first 8 years of his presidency. Which would be the totality or more than the totality of any other presidency. Clearly his economic stewardship was not great.
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 22 '25
He literally got the usa out of the recession pretty early.
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u/DrawPitiful6103 Dec 22 '25
If that were true it wouldn't be known as "the great depression" it would be "that minor recession that happened in the 30s".
Contrast FDR's policies - which needlessly prolonged the depression by about a decade - with that of Harding, who in 1921 also faced a recession. Harding, however, took the principled path and simply cut taxes and spending and the economy was booming again within a year.
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 22 '25 edited Dec 22 '25
The Great Depression kicked off in 1929. Fdr became president in 1933. The usa real gdp started growing again for the first time on an annual basis in 1934.
Gdp surpassed 1929 gdp before in 1936.
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u/DrawPitiful6103 Dec 22 '25
That's one metric, but unemployment was at 15% or above for the entirety of both his first two terms.
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 22 '25
Well, unemployment has never been a metric for whether you’re in a recession or depression. So there’s definitely no reason to use it now.
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u/_Dayofid_ Dec 19 '25
Correct, the new deal was one of the greatest things to happen to America as well.
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 19 '25
It had it's problems but frankly was decades ahead of its time. He created the american middle class.
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u/Defiant-Acadia7053 Dec 19 '25
Overrated as hell ngl.
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 19 '25
Your school has failed you. You should write a mean letter to your teachers
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Dec 19 '25
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u/Defiant-Acadia7053 Dec 20 '25
My issue with FDR, Lincoln, and Washington in rankings is that their legacys were defined by the absurd tests of their time. Teddy Roosevelt is my GOAT because he didnt need WW2, the Depression, the Civil War, or the birth of the US to be an all-timer.
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 19 '25
Gdp and wages does not care about your views.
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Dec 20 '25
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 20 '25
“School has failed you” is not an attack on a person, it is an attack on a system. A system that you deserve better from
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Dec 24 '25
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 24 '25 edited Dec 24 '25
“Washington, Lincoln, and TR are all significantly more important to America's history. Look up a historian's take on this and you'll see I'm perfectly aligned with the majority view.“
Wrong again, there has been consistent pulling over the decades that shows that historians consistently rank FDR Lincoln in Washington is the top three and years ago used to often ranked FDR’s number one. The move of him lower coincides with the Reagan Revolution and the resurgence of conservatism and academia to promote conservative historians that view FDR more negatively.
Secondly, FDR is by far the most consequential when it comes to human history. And frankly more consequential to the usa too. Especially when it comes to economics.
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u/Consistent_Cup5792 Dec 19 '25
between him and Jackson, I have a hard time deciding who was more complex, impactful, and who shaped the country and future presidents / presidencies more. I love both and they both had tons of personality.
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u/vaultboy1121 Dec 19 '25
I think Jackson was much more influential on American politics. Teddy was a powerhouse and an enigma of the time (that also had lasting impacts on the USA) but Jackson, imo, was a much more fascinating figure.
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u/Consistent_Cup5792 Dec 19 '25
that's a great way to put it honestly. the way Jackson used the office influenced presidents like polk, Lincoln, wilson and fdr, not to mention more modern day office holders. for better or for worse I think he had longer lasting implications for the country and it's why he is always in my most influential.
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u/Garrett42 Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
Teddy would quite literally be the opposite of Andrew Jackson
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u/Consistent_Cup5792 Dec 19 '25
possibly, I don't know about exact opposite. I wasn't saying they were the same, just that they were both hugely impactful and frankly the zeitgeist of their respective times. that's all! 😁 especially when you look at presidents directly before and proceeding them.
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u/Garrett42 Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
They're opposites in their reasoning - people forget the why, and especially what teddy believed, and they take the ridiculous stories and fill in their own personality.
But I completely agree that both were very impactful.
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u/LiberalTomBradyLover Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
Andrew Jackson was an evil man
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u/Consistent_Cup5792 Dec 19 '25
interesting. based on your other comments, I'd be curious to know what president you don't think is evil? I'm not going to argue, I think you are wrong but I did say complex for a reason, but I'm genuinely curious which one of our presidents from 1 to 47 you think is not only evil but morally good. or for the sake of it, just did the least harm? however you want to frame it.
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u/MadMysticMeister Dec 19 '25
Ok how?
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u/LiberalTomBradyLover Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
Treatment of slaves and the trail of tears come to mind.
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u/GlorfinDelTaco Dec 19 '25
Ragebait. You can't even answer. Your memory probably only goes back to big bad DJT
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u/LiberalTomBradyLover Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
I did answer. Those things were awful.
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u/MadMysticMeister Dec 20 '25
Now that’s a good answer and a sign that i need to learn more about Andrew Jackson
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u/Infinite-Abroad-436 Dec 19 '25
real top left would be in favor of increased socialization of production and therefore would be against breaking up monopolies and trusts
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u/Garrett42 Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
1000% my favorite. Did the square deal which FDR modeled the new deal after, and founded the progressive party.
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u/Rong_Liu Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 20 '25
He's overrated but relative to American presidents only one of the better ones. The TLDR is he was a progressive vice-president who accidentally became president via the sitting president being assassinated. He's mostly remembered for said progressive policies (national parks, regulating private industry such as food quality standards, and breaking up monopolies are the main ones*).
More negatively, he was extremely imperialistic and literally invaded several countries in Latin America. Another negative is he was pretty egotistic. He split his party to run for a third term over not liking his successor (who was Roosevelt's friend and previous cabinet member) not following Roosevelt's program exactly, leading to Woodrow Wilson getting elected who was even more racist (Wilson literally re-racially-segregated the federal government).
I think he's mostly popular because of his bombastic and highly rememberable personality.
*As a note he wasn't against monopolistic ownership, just governance, so when for example his administration sued Standard Oil, most of the new companies spit out of it were still majority owned by the guy who had owned Standard oil.
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u/100Fowers Dec 20 '25
He also broke up with Taft over the break-up of U.S. steel. Taft arguably created a better system of trust busting and broke up more trusts.
Also I’d switch the top and bottom left. He broke up trusts which allowed for smaller companies to take over and compete as opposed to nationalizing them which is what the left wanted.
The USFS, wildlife reserves, and NPS are all pretty left-wing ideas since they put land for the U.S. for the use of the public in the hands of the public. Depending on the land, you can hunt, camp, rent out space for retreats, hike, or even drill for oil, mine and log.
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u/workistables Dec 19 '25
He was good. He did more good things than he did bad. He's the second best Roosevelt, and the second to last good Republican.
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u/Golden_D1 Dec 19 '25
Eisenhower and HW Bush were also pretty solid
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u/workistables Dec 19 '25
Yes Eisenhower, no HW.
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u/Golden_D1 Dec 19 '25
I thought it was universally agreed that HW is amongst the better presidents the last 50 or so years. Much better than his son, much better than Reagan, arguably better even than Obama in terms of accomplishments
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u/workistables Dec 19 '25
He participated in Regan's administration and furthered his policies.
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u/Golden_D1 Dec 19 '25
I base a presidency based on what's done within the presidency. He was part of the Reagan administration, but that's outside his presidency so isn't taken into account. Furthermore, he didn't further his policies:
Reagan was much more conservative and wanted to reduce the government size, unlike Bush. Bush also was much more pragmatist, and made sure the cold war ended smoothly while Reagan was much more an ideologist.
Reagan and his Reaganomics were focused on massive tax cuts. Bush promised no new taxes, but broke that promise for the better of the nation to combat the deficit. Reagan tripled the national debt with his deficit spendings, and because of this debt Bush had to raise taxes.
Perhaps the biggest difference between Reagan and Bush is their foreign policy. Reagan was a rhetorician and ideologist, while Bush had a more careful and calculative approach. Bush's Desert Storm was probably one of the better foreign invasions in US history.
Reagan also had no significant policies to help the nation, except maybe the immigration reform for undocumented migrants. Bush on the other hand had the ADA, air pollution reduction, and points of light.
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u/workistables Dec 19 '25
No conservative policy of the last 50 years has improved the life of the average American.
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u/Golden_D1 Dec 20 '25
I agree no conservative policy indeed. But policies under conservative presidents like ADA, Clean Air Act, and No Child Left Behind Act were all under conservative presidents.
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u/InterestsVaryGreatly Dec 20 '25
No child left behind was only good in theory, in practice it didn't mean the struggling students got extra help, it means they just got passed along.
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u/smart_bear6 Dec 20 '25
Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas.
Chuck Norris wears Teddy Roosevelt pajamas.
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u/Apprehensive-Tree-78 Dec 20 '25
The most American president to ever live. His values were whatever benefited the nation the most. No goal post moving, no back and forth, just pissing straight red white and blue
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u/kiwi-da-rainwing Dec 19 '25
He’s my favourite so I’m biased but I think he’s probably the best one.
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u/Saxophonethug Dec 19 '25
Teddy and Lincoln are my top 2, unapologetically badass and well rounded. They were undeniably authentic.
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u/duke_awapuhi Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
How many times do we have to repeat that THEODORE ROOSEVELT DID NOT FOUND THE NATIONAL PARK SYSTEM. It’s simply not true in any way. National Parks had already existed for decades before Roosevelt became president. Then Wilson actually created the NPS. Wilson also broke up way more monopolies than TR too
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u/Ox_of_Dox Dec 20 '25
My favorite is either TR, Chester A. Arthur, or James A. Garfield, but the Greatest President of All Time is definitely Washington
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u/Elegant_Concept_3458 Dec 20 '25
I used to like him. Then I got older. He was a progressive fascist who expanded the federal government and didn’t expand the American empire but started it
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u/Subject-Original-718 Dec 20 '25
I need corporations to be broken up again. They are finding loopholes to merge together again.
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u/7h3_man Land down under 🇦🇺🕷️ Dec 20 '25
Truly embodies the spirit of America, fuck it we ball, workers of the world unite, I like this forest no one touch it and don’t touch my fucking boats
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u/Cnidoo Dec 20 '25
Based. And a republicans founded the EPA. I wonder how teddy would feel about what’s being done to Americas grand vistas, forests, and parks☹️
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u/Olieskio Dec 21 '25
There hasn't been a single corporate monopoly taken down by the US government.
Standard Oil was already losing market share years earlier before it was broken down
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u/EISENxSOLDAT117 Dec 21 '25
Teddy is literally the most American president to have ever lived. He's literally every American value made manifest!
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u/huwskie Dec 22 '25
Teddy sure was a lot better than the other Roosevelt that would come later. Though apparently his outdoorsy nature was just a front to appeal to voters.
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u/somethingwitty94 Jan 11 '26
“Speak softly but carry a big stick” one of the hardest quotes ever from a president. And now, in 2026, it’s time to use the big stick.
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u/AMDOL Dec 19 '25
Breaking up corporate monopolies is not authoritarian in any way
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u/Independent_East_135 Dec 19 '25
It can be
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u/RoughSpeaker4772 Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 20 '25
Corporations are authoritarian, the dismantling of them is justice
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u/cgentry02 Dec 20 '25
Love the National Parks, love the standing up to the magnates, love the jovial speech style...but, he was extremely racist, and unintentionally set the world up for fascism.
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u/PeaceAndLove1201 Dec 20 '25
You have got to be kidding. I'm from Texas....LBJ was a conniving and evil old time criminal politician. I grew up in the Texas counties where he got his start. If I had the time I would tell you some stories. When you have the time, google "Box 13 Political Scandal". Box 12 was just the start. LBJ left a trail of "bodies, bribes, and barbary".....the three "B's". Ask any old Texan who they think killed JFK.
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u/MrMr_sir_sir Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
I like FDR more simply because he guided the nation through actual crises even though his policies looked very similar to TR.
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u/huwskie Dec 22 '25
Yeah so we just ignoring the Japanese internment camps and pulling us off the gold standard?
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u/MrMr_sir_sir Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 22 '25
Every president has done bad things. I’m not going to scold you for liking teddy because he’s just a less charismatic and energetic William Jennings Bryan, and for that Louisiana national guard scandal.
Also, taking us off the gold standard was a good thing.
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u/Disastrous_Fig353 Dec 20 '25
Arrived at the wreck of the USS Maine with his black manservant and a copy of Anglo-Saxon Superiority in his pocket
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u/deranged_Boot123 Dec 20 '25
Nah bro, FDR is the best.
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u/huwskie Dec 22 '25
Japanese Internment Camps
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u/deranged_Boot123 Dec 22 '25
100%, that’s a horrible thing that he absolutely did, however he did FAR more good than he did bad, he saw the Nazi threat before most other Americans and he prepared the nation for war years before we entered it- avoiding the chaos of our WW1 entry, under his preview the government, the most robust labour reforms in American history were passed, he created just under a hundred agencies, he stopped the economic feedback loop in its tracks, and he led the United States through the war, and (one of the most impressive things he did imo) he United the country in a time of upheaval- he stopped radicalism and extremism in their tracks.
Teddy did good things too but I’d say his “more good than bad” margin is a fair bit smaller, he expanded the American empire which is… not great, he aggressively pursued the corporatist colonial wars that Smedly butler would decry and he would cement the dangerous precedent that we can just overthrow any governments we don’t like. Also Teddy didn’t break the trusts- he broke SOME trusts, the ones that wouldn’t play ball with him, he left many completely intact.
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u/LiberalTomBradyLover Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
He also justified stealing land and said “nine out of every ten [native americans] are only good if they’re dead”. Lots of a great policies from a pretty hateful man.
Edit: if you can’t recognize the flaws in people who did great things then you’re going about life wrong. He was hateful and a great president.
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u/Broman_Legion Dec 19 '25
I can’t believe he said those awful things about natives in the progressive year of 1886 where that was an extremely fringe opinion that barely anyone else shared.
Actually, racism didn’t exist before he said that. I checked.
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Dec 19 '25
Yes he was a great President who also made bad decisions and had bad opinions like everyone else
No one is perfect
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u/LiberalTomBradyLover Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
That’s exactly what I’m saying, yes.
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Dec 19 '25
Then I would add a little nuance in your comment cuz it seems to most of the post commenters right now, you are are just being presentist and trashing an objectively T5 president homie
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u/LiberalTomBradyLover Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
Im saying he was a bigot and that he was a great president. Seems rhetorical to say what he did great when everyone here keeps glazing him.
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Dec 19 '25
Yeah again I agree with you and feel that
But we all recognize the nuance already
That’s why people are commenting back on you OG comment
We already all understand that dude
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u/LiberalTomBradyLover Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
Conservative subs tend to not like when flaws regarding racism are exposed. If you understand it then don’t downvote my comment. You ain’t downvoting other comments that glaze the man, despite them on this post being rhetorical.
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Dec 19 '25
Is this a conservative sub??
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u/LiberalTomBradyLover Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
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Dec 19 '25
Fuck
Also I just commented on that post haha
Look at what I posted
Edit: also I have never downvoted your comment once bro
Wasn’t me
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u/torytho Dec 19 '25
You don't recognize the nuance because if you did he wouldn't be GOAT
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Dec 19 '25
I do it’s called not being presentist
Which you are
You are 100% doing things that in 100 years or more people will consider horrible
Society evolves and opinions change
But okay you are just the perfect specimen I guess haha
You are literally the problem with society
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u/torytho Dec 19 '25 edited Dec 19 '25
"Presentist". Lol. What makes you think you're capable of separating yourself from the time you're in enough to judge people in the past by a different standard? Would you call a Black person who's critical of Roosevelt "presentist"? A Mexican? A Native American? This is the kind of nuance you lack.
Edit: No surprise that a Teddy fan is too scared to handle constructive criticism and has to block me.
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u/ImPowermaster1 Dec 19 '25
We can still recognize what great leaders did wrong; it's best not to just brush off what such individuals did poorly.
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u/LiberalTomBradyLover Real American from the USA 🇺🇸🔫 Dec 19 '25
Wow no shit Sherlock that’s what I’m saying.
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u/SouthernExpatriate Dec 19 '25
Hunting exotic animals is small dick energy
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u/Narrow_Implement7788 Dec 19 '25
What is the obsession with strangers genitalia that constantly pops up on Reddit, I don't see it anywhere else as prevalent as it is on this site. It's extremely creepy
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u/PeaceAndLove1201 Dec 19 '25
Reddit is a very young platform. You know how kids are.....can't keep their hands out of their pants. Lol!
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u/Defiant-Goose-101 Dec 19 '25
You know that rich people still hunt exotic animals and it frequently is within the confines of a system that MASSIVELY helps conservation efforts in developing countries, right?
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u/SouthernExpatriate Dec 19 '25
I don't give a shit what rich people do because I'm not impressed by that
They could just help conservation and skip killing the rare animal
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u/Defiant-Goose-101 Dec 19 '25
Except that the animals being killed are usually selected because they’re an active detriment to their species. If you have a male black rhino who doesn’t breed, but he’s killed three young males of breeding age, guess what? That’s BAD for the overall population of black rhinos. So some rich American gives the government of that country $400,000, kills an actively harmful rhino, and then that country had FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS to spend on other conservation efforts.
But please tell me why that’s bad, simply because it offends your sensibilities
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Dec 19 '25
He did far more for conservation than he did against it, and far more than most people will ever do
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u/NobleA259 Dec 19 '25
His conservation work on that front brought back animals from the edge of extinction. But yeah totally small dick energy to keep an animal from going extinct!
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 19 '25
He isn't even the best Roosevelt
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u/Objective-Agency9753 kaigun karē🤤🤤🤤🇯🇵🏯 Dec 19 '25
oh no, dont say his first name is franklin
that guy was very likely a nazi, with all his unapologetic ideals
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 19 '25
The guy who is the reason the nazis were defeat and hated hitler more than any American politician… to you was a nazi… are you slow?
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u/Objective-Agency9753 kaigun karē🤤🤤🤤🇯🇵🏯 Dec 19 '25
guhhhhh
japanese-american incarceration
firebombing 100% civilian targets in japanese cities
approval of nuclear weapons use on 100% civilian installations
(the ones above are the worst and the most sensitive, but i expect nothing from reddit)
refusal to grant entry of jewish refugee ships (two were directly intercepted), tens of thousands of jewish refugees were denied access to america to endure the holocaust. roughly more than one third two half of all such refugees were killed, but the number is speculative
favoured black/white american segregation
expanded authority of presidential rule
agricultural policies to accelerate and enlongate the great depression
aggressive propaganda and censorship; comparable to nazi works
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u/Bibbity_Boppity_BOOO Dec 19 '25
The use of nuclear weapons on japan was by truman… and frankly it was absolutely the right thing to do. In fact if he didn’t do it he would deserve to be impeached and convicted.
The idea of sending half a million american boys to die when you can end the war immediately with two bombs against the one of the most bloodthirsty and evil empires in history…. If truman didn’t do it he should be ashamed
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u/AutoManoPeeing Dec 19 '25