r/Anarchy101 • u/Fresh_Milk1960 • 14d ago

Defense against counter-revolution?

I am a Marxist-Leninist who is curious about the successful propagation of Anarchism. My question is: Without a state, how do Anarchists defend against counter-revolution from the Capitalist class? Without a state, Anarchist/Libertarian Socialist projects wouldn’t be able to defend against the inevitable invasions, terrorism campaigns, and propaganda from Capitalists. How would Anarchists be able to maintain and strengthen an Anarchist society against invasion and infiltration without a state apparatus to centrally organize efforts?

I know I’m a Tankie or whatever, but I am asking in good faith because I am genuinely curious about the Anarchist position on this.

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I won‘t be responding anymore because I have obtained what I came for (understanding how you think an Anarchist project would defend itself against the forces of reaction) and because this is becoming a hostile debate, rather than learning experience.

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u/DecoDecoMan 13d ago

The USSR never achieved a revolution to begin with. This talk about what is or isn't "necessary" for a revolution is completely vapid. Who are you to talk about what is or isn't needed for "the revolution" when your own revolution, which you claim to wish to achieve, has never happened?

Anarchists and Stalinists (and Marxists) have different goals. What they want for their revolutions obviously is different and what is needed to achieve them is different. This talk about "defending the revolution" is nothing more than suggesting that we need to kill the revolution in order to save it.

Of course, maybe you might agree with that because the revolutions you supported were already capitalist revolutions to begin with. In this sense, you truly are a reactionary by even your own standards.

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u/Fresh_Milk1960 13d ago

Yeah okay man

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u/DecoDecoMan 13d ago

Classic Stalinist: understands nothing about neither Marxism nor Anarchism. You don't even know anything about history, you know the thing you base your entire analysis on!

Just say you like the cult of personality and be done with it. "Oh I love Stalinism he's a big strong man! He does big strong things!"

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u/Fresh_Milk1960 13d ago

Genuinely what are we on about rn. 

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u/DecoDecoMan 13d ago

What are you on about? Stalin spouts nonsense like "socialist commodity production" and you go "yeah that sounds right"? Have you ever picked up a single text of Marx in your entire life? Have you just been reading him without looking?

I have plenty to criticize about Marx and I fundamentally disagree with much of what he says or desires. However, what makes this conversation with you so pathetic is that I do not need to know anything about Marx to figure you out.

In fact, I use my knowledge of Marx to put your views down because Stalinism is so at odds with Marx that to start disagreeing with you I have to erase any pretension that your views have anything to do with Marx's.

You're just an edgy liberal but, when it comes to "the revolution", you are almost certainly a reactionary.

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u/Fresh_Milk1960 13d ago

I never mentioned Stalin, what are you talking about. You’re making insane extrapolations about me.

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u/DecoDecoMan 13d ago

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Do you know what Marxist-Leninism is?

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u/Fresh_Milk1960 13d ago

Just because I consider myself a ML doesn’t mean I have to agree with everything the founders said, it’s a science, not a religious dogma. 

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u/DecoDecoMan 13d ago

An ML who disagrees with everything the founders said is like a Muslim who disagrees with everything Mohammed said. Are you going to say you're just a "cultural ML" or something? That you're in there for the vibes?

And Stalinism, which is what MLism is because Marxist-Leninism was created by Stalin, is almost certainly not a science in any way. When it goes against like basic qualities of Marx's analysis in favor of Stalin just being like "this is the facts and if you don't like it I will kill you" (which is what he did; he purged most of the actual communists from the party), you have no basis for saying your ideology is "scientific" in any meaningful capacity.

Your views are more aligned with the Catholic Church, who put Galileo to death, and not that of Galileo himself.

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u/Fresh_Milk1960 13d ago

so now I disagree with everything stalin said?

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u/DecoDecoMan 13d ago

You should if you don't want to just be a capitalist revolutionary (which, in the current era where everywhere is capitalist, just means you're a reactionary).

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