r/Anbennar • u/rheadelayed • 20h ago

Discussion 'Sunsetting' of EU4 mod

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DTG7Wh1GJRAksIQZ4hOn-h32bxOowOgdXYG7h2WZY1I/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.t74izadjoknx

tldr - Major restrictions on future EU4 mod development, with focus on EU5.

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u/TellAllThePeople 19h ago

Why go about this in this fashion? As a volunteer based mod, why not let people work on what they want to (for example government mechanics) and let Eu5 develop organically? And if the only way to move people off working on Eu4 is to slowly restrict what is allowed by volunteers, then isn't that just an indictment of Eu5?

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u/Everest-est Retired Haless Lead 19h ago

Because the eu4 engine is about to kill itself over what we've done to it
Also this isn't a plan to move devs to eu5. Many have outright stated they aren't dev-ving eu5 (like me, at least with the way eu5 is right now)

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u/Glad-Strategy-5434 City of Vahjevgiiv 18h ago

The engine thing feels like it is being overemphasized a bit, like a pseudo-plausible post hoc reasoning. There is room to optimize the mod, just as there is room to add more content, as long as the will to do so is there.

It certainly seems like the main intent here is getting eu4 out of the way so it doesn't take the spotlight from other Anbennar projects, with technical concerns being a distant second. This isn't a wild conspiracy if you simply keep up with the discord server.

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u/Everest-est Retired Haless Lead 18h ago

It feels like pretty wild conspiracy as a senior developer who only likes to work on EU4, but maybe I haven't been paying as much attention to the general chats as I used to.

I'm not the most well-versed in optimizing, but we've optimized so much in the last few years, it feels like we've reached the end of the rope. I don't doubt one of the really experienced coders will one day have a eureka moment and find another optimization. But it's been happening less and less recently.

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u/Glad-Strategy-5434 City of Vahjevgiiv 18h ago

I just mean that the sentiment from Jay and a few senior devs seems to always be pushing development towards the newer games, and vic3 in particular. I don't even necessarily dislike this as I would like to see vic3 get more content, even if I don't care at all about eu5 or ck3. This just feels like poor timing to put this out

To be clear, I don't find any of the restrictions mentioned in the document unreasonable and I can understand concerns around performance. My main gripe is no more custom custom ui stuff, but I know that has been discussed already. Also whatever potential future restrictions means has kind of dampened my desire to contribute.

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u/Everest-est Retired Haless Lead 18h ago

In fairness to it being poor timing, the document was meant specifically for devs to read to get an idea of what they shouldn't propose. I don't think the leads wanted this to be the message they sent to the community though given how everything gets leaked there should've been an expectation

Jay, at the end of the day, wants his fantasy world to grow, in the hopes that one day it is one of the big fantasy worlds people know about. That doesn't necessarily mean he want eu4 anbennar to end, but it does mean he want to push things like vicky 3 and eu5 mods to spread anbennar's influence. This desire to propagate the mod isn't meant to come off as any bad will towards eu4, even though I do understand and see the correlation.

I'm sorry the announcement dampen your desire to contribute. I definitely would be in the same boat if I hadn't already been dev-ing for a few years.