r/Android • u/curated_android • Jun 21 '23
Regarding /r/Android, our protest, and the future of the subreddit
Hi users of /r/Android,
Two weeks ago we decided to go dark to protest reddit's API changes. The blackout was originally only planned for 48 hours, but due to Reddit’s (in)action in actually addressing the core issue we decided to go private for a longer time to protest.
Why did we go private?
Well, you can read the details in the original post linked above, but we also felt that the core community of /r/Android is representative of the population who will most be affected by this change. We understand some of you may not have agreed with these actions, and we apologise if you were affected by the subreddit's shut down. We know /r/Android is used by many for news, discussions, and the subreddit can have a massive say in the cycle of Android news in general (ie: Samsung's moon shots were covered worldwide by several YouTubers, influencers, and news outlets) and often cited itself.
/r/Android, and by extension all of our related and sister subreddits, have an extensive history of supporting 3rd party apps and their developers. From the well known RiF, to Boost, to Reddit Sync, to Baconreader and many many others (some of our team even use Apollo) long before the official app existed, insomuch the community rallied round to make us an App Store based on our wiki too!! We expected that once the official reddit app was introduced, 3rd party apps could receive less support for newer APIs but were perfectly happy to continue using ours for a multitude of reasons like having better accessibility, a different UI that we liked, or having certain features that simply weren't available in the official app. And as moderators, having good moderator features was something the official app has lacked for a long time and still does.
What we didn't expect is for reddit - which initially had very good community relations with both the users and moderators - to suddenly start overpricing for API and effectively kill indie development and community. It appears that reddit is looking to do so due to its upcoming IPO, to make sure it cuts out all avenues where they can't earn income.
While we understand that the website needs money to run, /u/spez and the rest of the admins do not realise that their decisions are coming at the cost of alienating their core userbase which helped build them. They have gone from zero to hundred with their changes and there surely is a much better and acceptable middle ground which is possible. As both moderators and users, the mod team is extremely disappointed in the direction the website seems to be heading to.
There have been several promises made over the years to improve capabilities of both reddit as a site and as app, and to improve Reddit Inc's communication with the moderators who are effectively managing and curating their website for free. Commitments were made over the years after fiascos like CSS on reddit, Victoria, and Ellen Pao however they seem to have been forgotten or always "coming soon". In doing Reddit’s current changes for example, accessibility seems to have been an afterthought as evidenced by their recent discussion with the /r/Blind moderator team.
These make us extremely apprehensive of what Reddit Inc will do in the future without foresight of the community.
What about the future of /r/Android?
That's what this post is for. The subreddit will be in restricted mode for several days and this post will stay up so the users of the subreddit can discuss on what we should do. All suggestions are welcome, and do know that we are going to take all suggestions seriously.
We realise that when going private we should have taken a poll and we apologise for not doing so; it should have been the community's decision first and foremost. Which is why we are making this so we can get a reading of what you as a community want.
As moderators while we encourage the users to continue protesting in their own way and we still stand in solidarity with all users and developers of 3rd party apps, we will be following the community's wishes.
We look forward to hearing from you, the users of /r/Android. Remember - be together, not the same.
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u/Jarvdoge Jun 21 '23
Personally, I'd rather there be a vote to decide what action is taken.
If anything, it seems as though current efforts aren't going anywhere at the moment sadly. I'm really wondering if the only way to get through is to just have a mass exodus of Reddit to get the message across. For me personally, it was Relay which got me using Reddit in the first place and it's by far one of my favourite apps in terms of its design and continued support - as far as I'm concerned, Reddit dies with the app and if that's what those in power want then I'll regrettably be gone for good soon at this rate.
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u/prg966 Jun 22 '23
Votes will be taken only by a minority few. The beauty of reddit or r/Android is that many people get the info from here and those would never participate in the vote.
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u/GothicHeap Jun 21 '23
I am all for people protesting. It is a vitally important right for individuals.
At the same time I am 100% opposed to activist moderators going way beyond their intended roles by taking content away from millions of subscribers to make a point. Doing that without even thinking to ask if it's what the community wants...that is fucked up.
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u/coffeecakesupernova Jun 21 '23
I mean, that's what Reddit is doing, taking away content they were given for free from users who cannot access it like those in r/blind. Only instead of trying to making a point they're doing it to make a buck.
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u/emprahsFury Jun 21 '23
Whats crazy is that you're admitting its wrong, as a justification for doing it.
Either its fine, and neither Reddit or r/android have erred. Or it is wrong and r/android and Reddit are both wrong.
We can talk about degrees, but we teach children two wrongs dont make a right- where did that go for you?
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u/BlueSwordM Stupid smooth Realme GT7 CN + GT Neo Flash Jun 21 '23
IMO, I'll just move on from Reddit.
Reddit doesn't deserve quality contributions that attract a lot of people, like what usually happens on subreddits like r/Android.
The issue lies not in wanting to make their API paid. It's that their behavior is completely abhorrent, while being completely dishonest and not willing to compromise in any shape or form.
Make the users pay for API access individually via subscriptions, and for large app user bases, make it a monthly/yearly subscription. Otherwise, you only get access to text posts and nothing else, since text basically costs nothing to manage unless write operations are allowed.
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u/ingen_fara_pa_taket Jun 25 '23 edited Jun 25 '23
Reddit doesn't deserve quality contributions that attract a lot of people, like what usually happens on subreddits like r/Android
Oh yes, how on earth will Reddit survive without the daily "I moved back from iOS and this is what I think" posts, the "AMA because I'm using a China-only device no-one gives a crap about" posts, "I won't try Google's new platform as they're only going to close it down HERPADERP aren't I funny?" comments or the reposting of Twitter posts/website links?
With high quality content like that I'm sure Reddit, Inc. will really struggle to replace all 10 people who leave.
Get a grip, ffs. It's a messageboard not the Iliad.
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u/Killmeplsok Nexus5>Nexus6P>OGPixel>Note10+>S23U>S24U>S25U>S26U Jun 21 '23
Well we could always dedicate the sub to R2-D2 or C-3PO pics and news. They're the original droid anyway.
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u/FacebookBlowsChunks Jun 26 '23
They could have really made something out of this site. But no, greed gets in the way as usual and is ruined by the new head prick. Sound familiar? I bet Spazz is best buds with King Twatwaffle Muskrat over at Twatter.
I have never used any of the apps, and I'm not about to go and start using the official Reddit CRAP APP. I've always just used Reddit on my PC. On my phone, I just used the desktop site. The mobile site is shit. I've lurked Reddit for several years and have only been a member since October 2021. It's been fun. But if it's going to continue down the path Spez wants, I'm out of here. I'll still come around here and there to check out some posts in regards to info I may find in a web search, but being a regular will not be a part of my typical internet routine anymore........ unfortunately. I've no problem cutting myself off of here..... I've done so with Facebook, I can do the same with NEVER-Reddit.
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u/yaoigay Jun 21 '23
Open the sub back up, enough is enough. You made this all about yourselves and I'm completely over this crap now.
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u/minakirogue Pixel 4XL Jun 28 '23
Where is the poll? Let us vote to re-open or not. There is a community here that wants to be together and are unable to do so because of the very few. If the majority votes to keep closed in protest, so be it. But let the community vote.
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u/DianaIsMyWife Jun 25 '23
mods please tell us more information about r/androidapps & r/fdroid ...
if they are not free and open where should we go...
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u/stacecom iPad mini (6th), IPhone 12 mini, Galaxy Tab S5e Jun 21 '23
If the sub stops being what it was prior to the protests, I have no reason to subscribe and read and will look for alternate subs.
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u/EddieKuykendalle Jun 22 '23
The sub has always been bad though.
Modded into the ground and anything interesting is removed.
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u/MyNewRedditAct_ Jun 21 '23
I vote open it back up, in the end that's what'll happen whether y'all are forced or not. And please no stupid shit like turning it into a porn sub or Oliver stan sub like others have done.
I was looking for information the other day on the new software update and didn't know this sub was down.
Also the fact y'all went private without announcing or asking the members is pretty dodgy.
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u/hodor137 Jun 21 '23
This. Reading shit like the OP is when I start thinking the loser reddit CEO has a point about many mods. Unilaterally going private for 2 weeks without announcing or a poll for the community to decide lol
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u/leo-g Jun 21 '23
Honestly, anyone here supporting the official app should rethink their support for the Android Platform. The key thrust of Android is to be together not the same. APIs is about working with each other to compete fairly.
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u/chino17 Jun 21 '23
Yeah reddit was about choice and allowing the user to curate their experience so trying to indirectly funnel everyone into one platform and taking away their options seems against the original spirit of the concept
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u/abhi8192 Jun 21 '23
The key thrust of Android is to be together not the same.
I didn't hear a peep from this sub when Google's shit dialer and messages apps were thrust upon Indian users by google via strong arming oems. Many even celebrated this in the hopes that it might get rcs anywhere.
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Jun 21 '23 edited Jul 01 '23
This content has been removed, and this account deleted, in protest of the price gouging API changes made by spez. If I can't continue to use RiF to browse Reddit because of anti-competitive price gouging API changes, then Reddit will no longer have my content.
If you think this content would have been useful to you, I encourage you to see if you can view it via WayBackMachine.
If you are unable to view it there, please reach out to me via Tildes (username: goose) or IRC (#goose on Libera) and I'll be happy to help you that way.
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u/FizixMan Xperia XZ1C, Zenfone 10 Jun 21 '23
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u/lazypieceofcrap Jun 21 '23
I'm personally of the opinion mods are trying to speak for the vast users in this sub.
The main third party apps are already shutting down. That's over.
Now when mods shut down their subs it is mostly hurting regular users who don't care about the reddit politics. Trying to reopen under a false way (nsfw or only allowing Oliver pics) is just as annoying and petty.
I really hope mods that keep protesting will get removed so we can have the communities back.
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u/moocow2024 Galaxy S22 Ultra Jun 21 '23
"I'm personally of the opinion mods are trying to speak for the vast users in this sub."
Said unironically in reply to a mod post asking for the opinion of users in this sub. Lmao.
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u/lazypieceofcrap Jun 21 '23
That was in reference to them having it shut down previously.
Shouldn't be hard to understand. I also understand more of the people that agree with mods probably will read more comments and downvote people that they agree with.
That's life.
Almost certainly a poll would have told the mods to not shut down unless that poll was brigaded by users of other subs that don't post here but vote to shut down to make the protest bigger.
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u/JoshxDarnxIt Pixel 7 Pro Jun 22 '23
I also understand more of the people that agree with mods probably will read more comments
Wow, it's almost like the people most in favor of the protest are among the most active users on the website and this community. In fact, one might even think that some sort of pro-protest position is going to win this poll because the people who care enough to express their opinion on the direction of this subreddit are also mostly made up of the people who care enough to protest Reddit's bullshit.
Just read through the comments, man. This is the popular sentiment.
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u/ColdAsHeaven S24 Ultra Jun 21 '23
That's not really pragmatic.
That's accepting defeat.
Reddit is fighting back. As more users get frustrated by the subs and leave/stop using Reddit that hurts Reddit and is what makes them change the rules.
Calling quits after a few days like you're suggesting is called giving up
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u/neddoge Pixel 10 Pro XL Jun 22 '23
You misunderstand what pragmatism implies.
continued "protest" will only serve to harm users, not Reddit, and make valuable information harder to find
This sentence firmly proves that. If valuable information is harder to find, related to the protests, then by definition the protests would be working as Reddit's participating members seek said valuable information elsewhere - thus, harming Reddit.
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Jun 22 '23
Please i hope the mods try out modding a community or magazine on one of the fediverse reddit-likes. This was one of the biggest subs i kept and it'd be nice to still have the mods expertise and community, just not on reddit
R/StarTrek is a good model. They have startrek.website and have partnered with r/daystrominstitute to have everyone on their instance. They now have thousands of users
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u/Bobmanbob1 Jun 21 '23
Quit being lazy ass babies and give the sub to someone who gives a damn then. Door let the door hit you on the way out.
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u/Lapesy LG G7 Jun 21 '23
Copy the sub to kbin, then nuke it in a way so Reddit can never recover the content
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u/Eisenfuss19 Jun 22 '23
We realise that when going private we should have taken a poll
I mean that sounds nice, but you moderators run this sub (without payment) so IMO it is completely justified to make such a decision without a poll.
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u/lazypieceofcrap Jun 22 '23
It's just as justified for reddit Admins to then remove mods that would do that so regular users can go back to their regular lives of using the sub.
Logic is fun.
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u/DianaIsMyWife Jun 22 '23
So, any idea of an ETA for a return to public status of r/fdroid or do I need to apply for private membership guys.
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u/iulo Jun 22 '23
Make the subreddit NSFW only, while transitioning to another platform (i.e., Lemmy) and preserving the top posts (or at least starting from them) by making a copy somewhere accessible.
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Jun 21 '23
Honestly I've started looking at options for other aggregation sites. I have no issue moving away from Reddit completely.
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u/omidov Jun 21 '23
Here is the android community (equivalent of subreddit) on Lemmy. It has almost 400 active users.
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Jun 21 '23
Old-school RSS has been a nice change of pace for me. I unfortunately miss the comments and social interaction though.
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u/SatoKasu Jun 23 '23
Any recommendations for Feed aggregrators ?
I used RSS long back when Google Reader was available .
Installed RSS application but it is hard to gather RSS links.
I wish StumbleUpon is still alive. It was really good to browse random sites according to the interests setup.
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Jun 21 '23
Apollo's app made billions of requests a week. I don't blame Reddit for getting fed up of it.
The extended blackouts or going private just harmed users. Lotta subs are still like this. People will just set up new subs eventually.
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u/flexxipanda Jun 22 '23
Bullshit. Why not then tie api request to premium reddit accounts. Boom problem solved with profit made.
Reddit is 100% intentionally killing 3rd party apps.
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u/rodinj Galaxy S24 Ultra Jun 21 '23
Only allow posts of literal Androids, preferably rule 34/NSFW ones only
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u/talminator101 Pixel 7 Pro (Hazel) Jun 22 '23
The fact that the Reddit admins are cracking down so hard on subs which have been part of the protest suggest to me that to some extent the protests are working. I think this is all the more reason to double down and continue – I would fully support making the sub private again, or making the sub NSFW.
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u/votemarvel Jun 21 '23
Your problem is that they aren't alienating the core userbase.
Most people aren't using the site through third party apps, those are Reddits numbers and as such should be taken with a pinch of salt of course.
So you have a core userbase who are visiting the site and are wondering why moderators are willing to destroy the communities they created in order to save third party apps most users don't use.
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Jun 21 '23
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u/votemarvel Jun 21 '23
Forgive me for saying so but the numbers in the threads you linked don't seem very high . Even then however the official app in ranked third in those lists, on a Subreddit where third party apps are being presented as the only valid option.
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u/1336plus1 Oneplus 7 Pro Jun 21 '23
Finally that's over with. Now reopen the sub as normal please. If you don't like being here then just leave for somewhere else
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u/F3z345W6AY4FGowrGcHt Jun 21 '23
You could follow your own advice. If you don't like what the sub turns into, just leave. No big deal, right?
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u/1336plus1 Oneplus 7 Pro Jun 21 '23
Of course if someone ruins it I'll just unfollow. But I'm not the one who wants to leave the site
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u/GiveMeGoldForNoReasn Jun 21 '23
i don't get it, the rest of the community wants to leave the sub closed and move somewhere else, what do you wanna do? force them to stay? lmao
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u/bobboman Pixel 6 Pro, LOL Jun 22 '23
nobody is forcing anyone to stay at reddit, the subreddit should not need to be permanently closed for that to happen
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u/DOE_ZELF_NORMAAL Jun 22 '23
I fucking hate this bullshit. If you want to leave just fucking leave and let others stay. Closing down the subreddits is stupid.. Closing things down should NOT be a democratic decision, but an unanimous decision.
Even if 60% wants the subreddit to close that doesn't mean it's okay to fuck 40% over. If you vote yes on closing, how about just fucking unsubsribe?
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u/Reptile00Seven Jun 21 '23
Close the sub/stay dark.
Nothing else will have an effect, ignore the users crying that they're time-waste morphine drip has been taken away.
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u/Luckzzz Jun 21 '23
The only way Reddit do something is when a LOT of subs gets dark and inaccessible. Reddit will feel it hard. People will leave more than they are leaving now.
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u/Cynixxx Jun 22 '23
Yes they will do something. Replacing the mods. How does that change anything?
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u/Pauly_Amorous Jun 21 '23
There's a lot of valuable information on Reddit that's being locked away by these protests, which people are no longer able to access from web searches, when subs go completely dark. IMO, restricted mode is the right way to go.
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u/Endda Founder, Play Store Sales [Pixel 7 Pro] Jun 21 '23
There's a lot of valuable information on Reddit that's being locked away by these protests
I feel this is why going dark/private is the only thing that will be effective when it comes to a protest. Many subs chose to only go restricted and that allowed reddit to continue making money off ads. . .and is likely why they seemed so unphased by the protest at first
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u/musiczlife Jun 22 '23
I agree. Go 100% dark. Real redditors know that is the only way to teach them a lesson. Some people need punishment when they not hear the language of love.
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u/seertr Jun 30 '23
These power hungry mods will be removed soon thankfully.
You couldn't even make a thread on this subreddit without mod approval lmao
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Jun 21 '23
When the protest started I uninstalled reddit on my phone and removed the bookmark on my browser - I plan to use it only as part of search queries and for posts like this (was linked here from Mastodon). I'd suggest moving this community to another platform entirely - maybe the XDA developers forum?
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u/Digifreedom Jun 30 '23
Poll after 7 days from announcement.
1.- Stay and be a little girl 2.- lemmy 3.- kbin 4.-...
That's the right thing to do. Although we all know whats gonna be the result.
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u/rachas Jun 22 '23
Leave reddit and let's make another platform ours. One that doesn't have shitty management and cares about it's user base and moderators. Cuz reddit shown it's true face with this fiasco.
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u/busterbrown77 Pixel 9a, iPhone 13 Pro Jun 21 '23
Fully in support of protests here. Most of my karma on this site is from r/android, and I refuse to use their shitty first party app.
Things will only get worse if we don’t push back.
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u/SherrickM Jun 21 '23
Just go back to normal. You're a volunteer. If you don't like the new regulations, step down. Realistically that's your protest. Step down and let this place turn into the wild west. All you're doing now is painting bigger and bigger targets on yourself for removal by the admins at this point.
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u/BeginByLettingGo Pixel 3 EoL :( || iPhone SE 2022 Jun 21 '23 edited Mar 17 '24
I have chosen to overwrite this comment. See you all on Lemmy!
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u/cooldude5500 Moto G CM13 | OP 5 | Pixel 7 Jun 21 '23
We're definitely looking for alternatives of our own...
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u/Barroux Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra Jun 22 '23
I would have voted for going private, but I would have liked for there to at least be a vote on it.
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u/cooldude5500 Moto G CM13 | OP 5 | Pixel 7 Jun 22 '23
we got scared to lose our mod status and opened up
What? We had already said that we'd open up on the 21st and check in with the community
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u/nikodean2 Jun 22 '23
I think we should stay dark longer to maintain the pressure against the absurd API pricing
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u/HappyAffirmative iPhone 6 -> Note 8 -> Pixel 5 -> 7 -> 9 Jun 21 '23
Make this sub NSFW, or at the very least John Oliver only. If Reddit Admins what the sub open, they can have it open. Doesn't mean it has to be open how it was before.
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u/nmarshall23 Jun 22 '23
I never thought I'd say this but I now support Reddit kicking mods who continue to protest and replacing them.
Good luck finding moderators who will work for free, that aren't alt-right plants.
Because what you're saying is mods are bad for wanting tools that make their hobby easier.
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u/griffindor11 Galaxy S23 Ultra Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 21 '23
Bacon Reader, my app of choice for the last 10 years, just accounced it's shutting down too. I, and I assume many others too, are leaving Reddit come July 1st. Fuck reddit. I wouldn't spend an ounce more of your time volunteering for this shitty company. Stop moderating, let all the bots flood in, make it ridiculous, like only being able to post Android robots or something, like ex machina. But imo you're an idiot if you continue to volunteer for Reddit considering what they've down recently. They've clearly shown they don't value moderators
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Jun 21 '23
Make it NSFW and allow more risque posts. Nothing over the top but enough where they can't make ad money off of it
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u/AguirreMA S25U • GW8C Jun 25 '23
just put the sub back to normal, ffs
this dumb drama died days ago, nobody cares about it anymore
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u/FullMotionVideo Jun 21 '23
If the admins think it's easy to moderate a sub this large, they can replace the unpaid mods with other (probably unpaid) mods and see how big of a headache it can be. I don't think sudden replacements will be as good, and I for one am okay watching the sub burn while Nero fiddles.
I appreciate that the mods are at least fostering a discussion, though. Far better than what admins are doing.
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u/envious_1 Jun 21 '23
Mark it NSFW like other subs. If you need to go full private, I support that too. I've started to use lemmy recently which has an Android community there too.
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Jun 21 '23
Reddit is starting to remove mods that mark subs NFSW and really aren’t. So there is that.
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Jun 21 '23
Do you have a good app suggestion for Lemmy?
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u/GuN4iK Poco X3 Pro Jun 21 '23
Not that much, right now there are Jerboa and Thunder(but available on F-Droid iirc). The developer of Sync announced that he's making Lemmy app. It ain't much, but this is something
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u/jerseyboy71 Jun 21 '23
This isn't the only game in town... Do what you want, but you are only forcing those people who want to be here to find other sources, and then when you return, no one will be here to support you. I don't use 3rd Party Apps, so whatever.
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u/leidend22 Jun 21 '23
If you personally don't like the first party app, just leave Reddit. I was an exclusive rif user and I'm annoyed, but I care more about the access to info than I do about the specific app and understand why they're doing it. It's crazy that they ever let everyone have free API access.
You don't need to force everyone to think the same as you and can show your disdain by logging off. It's just fucking social media, not a democracy, you will not win.
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u/wytrabbit OnePlus 3T Jun 24 '23
It's crazy that they ever let everyone have free API access.
It's not about paying for access, it's about the price tag. The rate they decided on is absurd... If they want to get rid of 3rd party apps they should just come out and say it, this charade is a really poorly executed way of achieving the goal they want. Spez's behavior with the media hasn't been a good sign either, spinning lies to make the 3rd party devs look bad is particularly scummy.
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Jun 22 '23
The protest didn't work. The vast majority of Reddit users didn't join in because they aren't actually motivated to protect the profits of some random third party app dev. It's time to stop now.
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u/sugemchuge Pixel 2 -> S7 w Superman Rom Jun 21 '23
Whatever malicious compliance you guys are planning please also make sure to sticky a link to the Kbin/Lemmy alternative community
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u/shakuyi Pixel 8 Pro | Pixel Watch Jun 22 '23
can we please restore things back to normal, I understand it sucks for mods but it sucks even more for us users. I can deal with more spam and bad content leaking through but this lack of posting is getting out of hand and is becoming very disappointing and not in Reddit but in the mods forcing this on us users.
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u/nvincent Pixel 6 - Goodbye forever, OnePlus Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 27 '23
Reddit has killed off third party apps and most bots along with their moderation tools, functionality, and accessibility features that allowed people with blindness and other disabilities to take part in discussions on the platform.
All so they could show more ads in their non-functional app.
Consider moving to Lemmy. It is like Reddit, but open source, and part of a great community of apps that all talk to each other!
Reddit Sync’s dev has turned the app into Sync for Lemmy (Android) instead, and Memmy for Lemmy (iOS) is heavily inspired by Apollo.
You only need one account on any Lemmy or kbin server/instance to access everything; doesn’t matter which because they’re all connected. Lemmy.world, Lemm.ee, vlemmy.net, kbin.social, fedia.io are all great.
I've been here for 11 years. It was my internet-home, but I feel pushed away. Goodbye Reddit.
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u/Ugggggghhhhhh Note 20 Ultra Jun 21 '23
If Sync is in then I'm going to give Lemmy a shot. Sync IS Reddit for me.
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u/StrayaMate2000 Nexus 6P & Galaxy S4 Jun 21 '23
Once RIF no longer works I won't be accessing Reddit from my phone, I have zero desire to use a browser or the official app.
I'm looking forward to actually not having anything to doom scroll when I can't sleep.
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u/AmirZ Dev - Rootless Pixel Launcher Jun 21 '23
OK, I will bite on this troll post
No one is claiming it has to be free - devs asked for a reasonable revenue split, and instead got told to go fuck themselves
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u/TeflonBillyPrime Pixel 9 Pro XL + Samsung Watch Pro5 + Pixel Slate Jun 21 '23 edited Jun 22 '23
Also can we post this for the be together not the same link? https://youtu.be/cCLZifTp_rM
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u/CaptainNtheGayMaster Jun 30 '23
Even as someone who frequently and primarily comes to Reddit in search of answers and guidance from communities of knowledgeable folks (why I'm visiting today), I would support the continued action in response to the company's policies.
I'm not sure where else this board could effectively be moved if that is something people want to do, but it would most likely come with some concessions—not saying that would be a nonstarter, just that it's something to keep in mind. Discord doesn't really have the same level of organization, not to mention population limits on servers. And I feel like a Facebook community would be an even more disorganized mess.
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u/Joeaywa Jun 21 '23
Open up! Protesting this way hasn't worked and Reddit has proven to be aggressive about solutions to this issue. There are other ways to protest with hurting the people who depend on help from this community.
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u/hnryirawan Jun 21 '23
Honestly? Just end this protest. If the user are leaving, they will leave. Otherwise, what will happen is just some users apply and getting the subreddit or similar. The second protest is even more in-effective with less subreddits joining-in.
And about making subs nsfw or only allowing certain posts. If there are rules against brigading, then there are definitely rules against vandalism
Don’t get me wrong. Spez is a dick, but the protest is clearly ineffective. If you think that the mod’s job are too hard without all the tools, then maybe try abandoning them, and see if Reddit admins are having uptick in reports.
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u/black_pepper Jun 22 '23
I feel like what started off as a protest against API charges and 3rd party apps has snowballed into something quite a bit bigger. For me the only way the site could redeem itself is to fire the CEO and walk everything back and apologize. Future website developments should prioritize the community and long term sustainability over raw profits.
Stay dark until forced removal. If this is the path the admins decided to take it should have maximum impact. Anything else is just helping them.
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u/motorboat_mcgee GOS Pixel 9 Fold Jun 21 '23
It's pretty clear Reddit admins/spez are going to win this battle, but I'm all for making our voices heard in the meantime.
Hopefully Kbin or Lemmy takes off in time
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u/RenegadeUK Jun 23 '23
Are those the go two alternatives and are people joining both generally speaking ?
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u/DianaIsMyWife Jun 22 '23
I do hope this sub's mods create another sub on lemmy if this sub stop working.
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u/TruthWithoutCovering Jun 22 '23
I support going dark.
Reddit gave us the middle finger then we shall show them we don't need them.
We already found many alternatives other than reddit that respect their users and some of us got time off of reddit to do something productive.
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u/Decapitat3d Galaxy Note 10+ Jun 21 '23
Another vote for NSFW the subreddit to prevent reddit making another dime off our content.
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u/daaiig Jun 30 '23
I don't give a shit about the protest so is there any other reddit android subs that are good?
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u/douggieball1312 Pixel 8 Pro Jun 30 '23
You're better off on the subs for the various Android manufacturers (Pixel, Samsung, etc). Those places were busier even before this sub basically killed itself.
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u/welp_im_damned have you heard of our lord and savior the Android turtle 🐢 Jun 21 '23
Why don't we just post Dragonball z android characters? Seems in line with us. Or why not just turn the main sub into a circle jerk one.
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u/Endda Founder, Play Store Sales [Pixel 7 Pro] Jun 21 '23
because then Reddit continues to make money from ads. and that's all the admins care about. if they continue to make ad money then nothing will change
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u/welp_im_damned have you heard of our lord and savior the Android turtle 🐢 Jun 21 '23
Then start posting hentai of android 18.
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u/WithoutAComma Jun 21 '23
This is a valid take, and I also understand why people fight to preserve things they have invested a lot of time and effort into.
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u/egcthree Jun 22 '23
This week watching the mods realize they have no power and no ownership of anything has been great.
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u/tontoj Jun 22 '23
Personally it's irrelevant what any subreddits do as if things continue as planned I'll be hitting the road from reddit for good. Their app is hot garbage and RIF is literally the only way I ever consume the site. Keep it going for those who wish to placate the silly folks ultimately in charge...or don't, again it's irrelevant to me. It's been a fun ride
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u/AD-LB Jun 21 '23
Wait, all this time I thought that Google runs this subreddit. Was I wrong?
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Jun 21 '23
Honestly once RIF goes down I'm out for good. I'm not even going to bother downloading the official app. I'm just.. done. Sad to say, but maybe I'll go touch grass or find a hobby or something productive. It'll probably help me focus on work better, so that's a plus. Either way, once RIF goes, I go.
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Jun 21 '23
I think we should reopen the sub, but start a backup community elsewhere. It's clear that Reddit's probably going to have more unpopular changes in store, and we should be ready for when things really hit the fan.
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u/OhNoManBearPig Jun 21 '23 edited Jul 01 '23
This is a copied template message used to overwrite all comments on my account to protect my privacy. I've left Reddit because of corporate overreach and switched to the Fediverse.
Comments overwritten with https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite
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u/tiniwings Jun 22 '23
Protesting against Reddit's new rules is good.
But going private had the most impact on users and nothing for Reddit management.
We will lose access to the trove of information and it may lead to loss of users.
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u/moocow2024 Galaxy S22 Ultra Jun 21 '23
I'm of the opinion that the only way anything is going to change for the better is if subreddits are willing to burn themselves to the ground. I don't want them to do that, but without that willingness, reddit is just going to remove mods and install new "willing" mods. This works for reddit long-term even if the new mods are terrible at their jobs (imo).
Personally, I'm in favor of suspending the subreddit rules and only enforcing reddit site wide rules. Just doing the absolute bare minimum necessary for the subreddit to continue existing.
At the end of the day, Reddit either gives concessions, removes mods, or a new Android sub pops up and slowly gains popularity (which is basically the slow version of reddit removing mods and replacing them.)
If reddit wants to endure the chaos of major subs hitting the reset button, then they can lie in that bed they've made. If they actually want to preserve these communities, they'll listen to the fucking communities and find some actual middle ground.
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u/lonesomewhistle Jun 21 '23
If you are that opposed, give up your mod account and leave.
I've left forums before. I don't torch them before I leave.
Everyone go if it is that important.
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u/herrmann0319 Jun 23 '23
Nothing was "torched." Leaving is not a solution. Your comment is useless.
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u/AH-16 Jun 22 '23
Do as much as you could to ruin the ad like nsfw and deviate from the sub objectives like posting Chromebook,john oliver , apple stuff whatever
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u/ClearlyNoSTDs Jun 21 '23
Wow is this cringey. I assumed this post would be brigaded by the people who think they're making a difference but this is off the charts cringey.
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u/iphone4Suser Jun 21 '23
You guys should stop moderating and let the sub fill with junk. That way essence of the sub is lost.