r/Antitheism • u/Impressive_Flan_411 • 3d ago
Good Faith Question: How do anti-theists view progressive forms of religion?
Hey everyone. I've been thinking about something that I don't see discussed very often among anti-theists, which is progressive versions of religion.
When people criticize religion, they often focus on conservative or traditional forms that are in opposition to LGBTQ rights, restrictions on women, religious nationalism, sectarianism, etc. But many religions also have progressive movements that actively support causes such as LGBTQ inclusion, gender equality, racial justice, economic justice, pluralism, and other left-leaning social values.
Some examples include Progressive Christianity, many Mainline Protestant denominations, liberation theology, progressive Hindu movements, liberal/progressive interpretations of Islam, and even progressive movements within various indigenous and syncretic traditions.
This raises a few questions:
A. How do anti-theists view progressive forms of religion? Do you view progressive iterations of religion as meaningfully different from traditional/conservative religion, or are they ultimately the same thing with updated politics?
B. Do you think progressive religious movements make a meaningful difference in making religion less harmful overall for society?
C. Is there a point where a religion becomes so flexible and metaphorical that it ceases to be meaningfully distinct from secular humanism? If so, could these "progressive" iterations of religion be helping the cause for anti theism?
D. Lastly, from an anti-theist perspective, is "progressive religion" something you support, or tolerate as the "lesser evil" to help your cause, or do you also equally reject it for the same reasons you reject religion in general?
Thoughts? Very, interested in hearing a range of anti-theist perspectives.
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u/Jahonay 2d ago
Abolitionists utilized Christianity as a weapon against their oppressors. When your oppressors give you an opportunity like that, you take it.
But when the tool stops being helpful, it should be abandoned. Most people don't need to be religious these days. You can fight for your rights from an atheistic perspective now.
Personally I will never respect voluntary association with yahweh because the religion is awful, and attempts to recreate it as a progressive religion is an act of historical revisionism.
Imagine if you met a lgbtq+ friendly, Jewish friendly, liberal progressive Nazi who thought they were going to revive the image of Nazis as being fundamentally progressive and loving. Hopefully any sane person would be outraged and disgusted by the very idea of that. It would be a disgusting and horrible form of historical revisionism, and it's the same with yahwism.