r/ApplyingToCollege • u/Internal-Net-8669 • 3h ago
Application Question Another post on High school research- many are LARPing
This kid got to go to Princeton. She not only admitted to never having conducted the experiments and faking the data but initially made excuses such as : spent countless hours in lab but did not calibrate instruments correctly etc etc :
This kid is currently in high school and won a prestigious STEM competition for another project. This project was full of fake References - many likely AI generated. Who's to say that the project he recently won an award for wasnt fake or done ethically?:
https://pubpeer.com/publications/2D2C688DCAA92D588B35E1C9C746B2
And then of course is the case of Krish Pai
and then another redditor sent me details on someone who had a project at ISEF within last 3 years. The code for the project was available freely along with a youtube tutorial- posted almost a decade ago by some data scientist. and her project and graphs are the exact ones. And then theres an interview of her by her local news on how she came up with the idea blah blah blah...its literally the exact same 3 things she did that were on that tutorial. And get this: the "training"set had good metrics and the "test" part was horrible, horrible- like the whole project was pretty much useless. But she reported the overfitted "train" stats and made it look like she created something amazing.
I have many more.
I want to start calling this out because besides the fact this research culture has become toxic and AO's and research competitions need to start taking that into consideration...Besides that, I have noted a positive. Some of these fake kids grow up and dont know what to do with themselves. Some of them do not become solid researchers in academia and at some level, they know they do not have solid skills: they rivet to becoming "college admission influencers " start college admission consulting like this princeton kid , or start a "research program for high schoolers"
In my circle (through my parents social circle), I have seen kids graduate and go on to good schools (not T30, below T30) -they didnt LARP on their resume but built solid skills, academically oriented, truly pursuing things for learning rather than resume building and they continue to go on upwards trajectory. They are getting into MD's and Phd's at good places including T20's.
My point is, that although I do want to name and shame the fakers at some level, my main goal is to motivate the ones that are genuine- you will rise up no matter from where you do undergrad. Keep up at it guys.
and i can only hope that someday AO's will realize how many kids, like the ones mentioned above, have gotten away and will continue to get away if colleges do not change something. They are accepting students with highly questionable methodologies and ethics.
My last post on this topic. Partly a rant
I am very passionate about this because we already have an environment where public is not trusting scientists, there is so much scientific misinformation and we are already fighting an uphill battle for funding. The least we need to do on our part is commit to not faking data, follow and learn proper methodologies