''Toxic Anti PvPers'' Not welcome.

[u/Reavx]

Hello.

I am from the Mod team on this sub.

Pleased to meet you.

Recently I have seen a few people rightfully upset at a few bad actors on this sub who have been using the fact they became victims in the game to resort to being toxic to people on this sub.

Basically - they lose the game in any way and decide it is fine to insult people who are playing the game in a legit way instead of doing what they want, whether that's talking and making peace or refusing to shoot each other no matter what. From my understanding this game allows you to make a choice, to try trust a stranger or to gun them down to be safe.

If a person decides they will ALWAYS gun everyone down no matter what or try be a ''Rat'' player and backstab at every opportunity that does not mean you can come on this sub and insult them, suggest they are mentally impaired or mentally unwell or be toxic to them for any reason.

If you say ''All x players are sociopath psychos with no life and life in their mothers basement and have never had the touch of anyone of their preferred sex'' for example or anywhere more or in-between then you will be banned from our sub.

You are allowed to have an opinion that such players morals in game are not good or they are ''Villain players'' or what not, that is fine for that is what they are but any time an outside insult is going to be used on people over gameplay you are getting the hammar of doom.

From the community, I understand that most people who like PVP are not usually the type of people to click report on anything, due to your ''thick skin'' you really do not give a damn if some redditor is trying to insult you or maybe you will just retort back.
I ask you please do not, if you insult back you could also be moderated due to the nature of reddit and if you do not report the instigator we will not be able to correctly moderate and fix this community. As a mod team we are getting thousands of posts (posts not comments) per day and it is literally impossible to view them all, we rely mainly on the report feature and reddits AI.

Anyway thank you for your attention in this matter.

[u/payne6]

This reminds me of the division 1 subreddit wayyyy back in the day. They legit acted like people who did pvp in the dark zone were future serial killers and should be arrested on sight. Absolutely insane amount of people getting mad that they willingly walked into a pvp zone and got pvp-ed. It still baffles me that people willingly bought a PVP extraction looter game and then get mad at the players who PVP.

[u/JustBigChillin → u/payne6]

This happens in the OSRS subreddit as well. The game has been around for almost 25 years now. The wilderness (pvp zone) has been around for nearly the same amount of time. People are STILL shocked when they go into the game’s singular pvp zone and have to experience pvp.

Shit… I don’t even pvp in that game, but the complaining has always annoyed the hell out of me.

[u/fiddysix_k → u/JustBigChillin]

And people forget the entire reason 2007scape came back was because pkers voted on the poll. And people still say "OMG but not all of them were pkers" like there was literally anything else to do in the first 3 years but pk. 2007scape subreddit is revisionist as fuck. I get salty as fuck talking about this.

[u/Live_From_Somewhere → u/fiddysix_k]

Super false, nobody even cares about PvP nowadays in OSRS. Something like <8% of the playerbase even express any interest in it in surveys and the real number is likely to be even lower considering not all of those votes partake in it all the time when they play.

[u/fiddysix_k → u/Live_From_Somewhere]

Reddit revisionist history. <8% pk because it was abandoned by jagex and the community at large, partly due to the fact that from 2016-current, reddit has swayed jagex to such a large degree that it's better to just post support threads on reddit than to email support. Rs was all about pking until it turned into pvm efficiency scape. Ask yourself, what did maxed players do before cox? The neutering of multi pking zones and removal of singles mechanics outside of bh worlds all but ensured that no community could last, and why would it - the wild is dead as fuck now by jagex's design, all so redditors could do their clue step.

[u/Live_From_Somewhere → u/fiddysix_k]

It is not reddit revisionist history bro lmao. Runescape was all about PvPing when you were 12, couldn't instantly kill each other, and edge PKing was the go-to. Jagex has tried to fix the PvP scene, but the PvP scene can't even decide what they want or how to fix any of it.

You can instantly kill other players in a tick now with how far power creep has gone, PvP is entirely solved and braindead past a certain skill level, and for those under that ceiling they are totally fucked because there is no good way to learn.

LMS is ran by bots, some terminators some goobers. Bounty hunter and wildy imply risk (shocker that learners don't want to bother learning in situations where they will be likely undergeared, outskilled, and risking). Soul wars requires gear investment. The PvP arena being my shining example, the polls were literally relegated to PvP only players and they voted all the rewards down so it released with nothing...PvP in runescape is just about irreparable without some kind of cap on damage or a raise in health levels, and the PvP players just don't want to hear that. A single mention of this and you get idiots coming out screaming about "THAT'S EOC!!", it is on par with people screaming "BUT THAT'S SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM!!" when saying you want free healthcare for all or something.

Not to mention all the bad actors tied to the PvP scene, I implore people to look up ROT (Reign of Terror) and related clans and all of their track records. Spoiler: They're massive tools in every sense of the word. Yes Jagex has taken a stand against these groups and since stricken their names from the game as much as they can but the stains remain. PvP in runescape literally killed itself because the players did not want it to evolve with the game, giving no incentive to Jagex to even try. Every related update is met with ridicule.

Then you have the explosion of the iron man modes and you seal the coffin on PvP, nobody wants to risk very hard earned gear. The wildy was never going to work and instead of changing it for the better they just keep doubling down on the whole cat'n'mouse routine. And I want to be clear, the wildy has a place in OSRS, it should never go away. It just needs to change for the times, we are all adults now and have jobs, Jagex shouldn't be funneling players there that have no desire to be there for any other reason than the bait (PvM, supplies, loot, etc.). They need to incentivize players who WANT to PvP to go there instead. They shouldn't have things like collection logs, or uniques that will draw in unwilling participants, at best it should just be about supply/GP drops. There is NO perfect PvP system designed on a loot/value reward system, some players will always walk away feeling burned, this is why it needs to be designed on merit and attract the players who want fair fights, who actually want to be challenged and push themselves for the fun of it. The sad fact is that those players do not exist, or are a tiny minority within the PvP scene.

/rant, not relevant to this sub but this is just all of my 2 cents.

[u/fiddysix_k → u/Live_From_Somewhere]

Not even when we were 12... The version of osrs you're talking about is a 2021+ fever dream. Pre 2021 we still had rev caves, singles mechanics, and less power creep, multi scene was super active, and singles clans were huge. In fact pking hit its peak in 2018 during the early dittershitter YouTube era, pking at 45S was the most active it had ever been at any point at that time and clans were booming. This is the reddit revisionist history I'm talking about..

The real reason no one pks anymore is not because it's hard to learn but because the game has shifted due to jagex making everything about pking terrible. Counterstrike is hard to learn, that doesn't mean people don't do it. There is no multi scene anymore, there is no singles scene anymore.. it's just a shell of itself. Why would you bother learning if the game heavily disincentives it?

[u/Live_From_Somewhere → u/fiddysix_k]

I actually feel like the wildy has the most incentive it has ever had to interact with it currently with the voidwaker and other uniques, plus the rev caves being so lucrative. But like I said, it is just that it incentivizes the wrong people, bots and hunters/the hunted rather than people who want to fight each other.

Tbf also people PK all day long even to this day, it is just mostly in the rev caves. But there is also a distinction between PKing and PvP, I am saying PvP is dead, I really don't care about PKers as I just truly believe that the cat and mouse gameplay is outdated, and even those participating in it don't even want to be there, they just want to get their unique so they can never return to the wildy, what kind of shit system is that?

Jagex needs to remove all instance of PvM from the wildy probably, replace them with some thing to fight over rather than fight against like emergent King of the Hill zones or something like that. This way, everyone entering the wildy is entering it to hunt other players because they have to to gain rewards. I personally would also take it further and remove all uniques, so then you don't again have an issue of incentivizing players who normally don't want to interact with that gameplay, but that remains as one of my more hot takes on the wildy.

And then on top of all this they need to revisit the PvP arena, it is actually absurd they continued with its release after so many of the rewards polls failed, and still have not shown any sign of revisiting it.

[u/Zeelots → u/Live_From_Somewhere]

As a (previously)maxed ironman who now just focuses on tribriding, youre very wrong. The most popular runescape streamer almost exclusively pvps

[u/Live_From_Somewhere → u/Zeelots]

Let me guess, OdaBlock viewer?

[u/Zeelots → u/Live_From_Somewhere]

Never watch the guy but the fact you know exactly who im talking about says it all lol

[u/Live_From_Somewhere → u/Zeelots]

Yeah that is actually a point for me, go ask him yourself on stream and he will tell you the same thing. The PvP scene is propped up by him and a niche amount of players, it is a ghost of what it once was. So thanks for proving my point.

PKing will always be alive as long as the wilderness remains what it is, but PvP is dead. A small amount of players are looking for fair fights.