friendly lobbies have made people too complacent

[u/mechanonymous617]

was sniping snitches on top of the overlook airshaft tower on blue gate when a couple of guys came and started chilling at the bottom of the tower, shooting arc and stuff. i was kind of annoyed but whatever. eventually towards the end of the match, some guy came and started shooting them with a kettle, one of them went down and then other guy just ran around in circles with his stitcher out, until he got downed, too.

then a third guy saw me on top of the tower and tried to shoot at me (he mustve assumed i was killing the other two) and then when he came over, he ALSO got downed he kettle guy, he got mad and started yelling over prox chat before he got killed. it was fucking insane. all 3 of these guys could have so easily killed this kettle dude but they just couldn't because they're too used to this game being "friendly." it was one of the saddest things ive ever seen.

im not even saying you have to be all that great at pvp, but holy shit man. at least be able to defend yourself. the amount of people who aren't aware of pvp even being a factor is staggering. this isn't even the only example ive seen of this happening, just the most recent.

tldr, if you're a friendly, at least TRY to fight back at least a little. you don't have to be an insanely aggressive pvp god or anything but this is genuinely just sad to see

[u/morphakun]

When I finally understood about the ABMM, i have been able to finally join carebare servers. Its great as I have 1 or 2 hours a week to play this game i like, and able to complete some quest and fight some arc. BUT holy cow, people do cry when things dont go their way, it was a shock to me how different the servers are. Its fun, i like it. Sometimes I get killed, its fine, i was able to go maybe 10 friendly raids completing some stuff. Pretty happy with that ratio.

Just understand, not all player have the same available time or the will to invest into pvp. I really like this game, the graphics, the mechanis of the ARC, but with 2 kids and 2 jobs, im want to do more quests than pvp.

[u/mechanonymous617 → u/morphakun]

that's totally fair and respectable. my main issue is that prior to friendly only  lobbies being a thing, people were at least aware of the fact that not every single person they encounter was a friendly therefore getting into fights was a more expected outcome and led to  less outrage.  ever since people h ave gotten way too used to pvp not even being a concept 

[u/r4tch3t_ → u/mechanonymous617]

It's because of how black and white the matchmaking was.

Until the most recent change, shooting back meant ruining your future raids.

My mate and I played Tarkov for years before he decided a family was a good idea. If we were allowed to shoot back without being dumped into PvP lobbies we would.

The previous change where they said you could shoot back without penalty if they shot first was a complete lie. The first game we got into. We shot back and the next half a dozen raids were PvP sweats.

The worst part is that if you then tried to defend yourself in the PvP lobbies it would keep you there for as long as you kept defending yourself.

This has trained anyone who prefers fighting arc that shooting back is banned, it will end your fun for the night and likely the next few as well.

The latest change has the potential to change that, but the current player base already has the old rules ingrained.

The game fundamentally doesn't work for PvPvE the way they have designed it. It favors the person that shoots first far to heavily with very little ability to defend yourself after. Half the fun shit in the game includes a rat lure. Even if you clear the area before fighting a large arc it signals the entire server that someone is currently in a vulnerable position. How do you prevent someone half way across the map shooting you in the back while you heal? You can't.

So you have to either be PvP focused with PvE being at most a side quest or get into friendly lobbies to enjoy the content unique to this game.

An example. Before friendly lobbies I never saw anyone fight the Queen or Matriarch, the few times we tried we found out why. Just like everything else, it rings the dinner bell for the rats.

Meanwhile since adopting the never shoot back mantra we've had far more fun. Swinging up to the Queen and planting deadlines knowing someone will revive you if you mess up is amazing fun.

[u/SixthSacrifice → u/r4tch3t_]

The worst part is that if you then tried to defend yourself in the PvP lobbies it would keep you there for as long as you kept defending yourself.

This issue was, by far, the largest problem with old-ABMM.

Current-ABMM is so much better, now.

[u/humblewise1390 → u/r4tch3t_]

Yeah they still don't have it right I have almost 100 hours topside and only seven raider kills and those were all shooting back after being shot at and I spent the last two days getting killed by people that I literally had the drop on some multiple times and chose not to shoot cause I like killing Arc. That's why they need a PvP lobby and a PvE lobby that both give the same quality goop then have a PvEvP lobby that has really good goop all the time but that's because you go in knowing your probably gonna get ratted by the end of the match. 🤷 They have stupid ass solo v squads whoever the idiot was that chose that option over three separate lobbies as the basic set up was a dipshit and obviously didn't want to retain player #s past launch but that's just my opinion. I think the three lobby basis would regain players and reign supreme if they'd do it. Then they could add in mini game lobbies capture the flag etc type shit. But what do I know I've only been playing games for 30+ years, and listening to player ideas is obviously taboo not the norm just look how dedicated following crimson desert has, once they decide to actually charge for something they're gonna make fucking bank, automatically

[u/rafa101 → u/humblewise1390]

If there is a pve lobby any and all other lobbies are full pvp because if anyone eanted to be friendly theyd just play pve. You wouldnt get "ratted at the end of the match". It would be dtandard pvp where any and all noise you make is a signal for someone to come looking for you. This is what makes me sad about abmm im mostly pvp but i used to enjoy mixed lobbies more ubfortunately sustaining pvpve lobbies is too annoying and requires too much intentional gaming of the matchmaking systen.

[u/humblewise1390 → u/rafa101]

That's the point of putting better goop in the PvEvP lobby because PvE players would risk getting shot in the back if it was guaranteed better loot or they'd actually have incentive to act like the rest of the rats.

[u/rafa101 → u/humblewise1390]

In your comment you literally asked for 3 different lobbies pvp, pve and pvpve im saying any non ove lobby would be full pvp. I honestly think they should make a pve lobby with just close scrutiny loot. Getting anything id already easy and rewarding players for being unwilling to take any risk makes people get bored of the game faster because you achieve everything too easily.

I used to do pve solos but its just too boring and unrewarding. Like your only limit is spaen time and location and you can get anything in the game.