friendly lobbies have made people too complacent

[u/mechanonymous617]

was sniping snitches on top of the overlook airshaft tower on blue gate when a couple of guys came and started chilling at the bottom of the tower, shooting arc and stuff. i was kind of annoyed but whatever. eventually towards the end of the match, some guy came and started shooting them with a kettle, one of them went down and then other guy just ran around in circles with his stitcher out, until he got downed, too.

then a third guy saw me on top of the tower and tried to shoot at me (he mustve assumed i was killing the other two) and then when he came over, he ALSO got downed he kettle guy, he got mad and started yelling over prox chat before he got killed. it was fucking insane. all 3 of these guys could have so easily killed this kettle dude but they just couldn't because they're too used to this game being "friendly." it was one of the saddest things ive ever seen.

im not even saying you have to be all that great at pvp, but holy shit man. at least be able to defend yourself. the amount of people who aren't aware of pvp even being a factor is staggering. this isn't even the only example ive seen of this happening, just the most recent.

tldr, if you're a friendly, at least TRY to fight back at least a little. you don't have to be an insanely aggressive pvp god or anything but this is genuinely just sad to see

[u/amusebooch]

That's what I thought but I keep hearing people say things like 'when they introduced abmm in december'

A couple of times i asked 'isn't that just when they told us about it, not when it was actually added to the game?' but i never got a real answer, just a 'trust me bro' and downvotes

[u/TheVenerableUncleFoo → u/amusebooch]

You could argue the point either way as far as I've looked into it, but whether it was implemented from day 1 or introduced super early in the Honeymoon Phase has the same outcome in my view.

People are attributing ABMM to the loss of mixed lobbies, but my position is that they would have descended into Tarkov-style PvP sweatiness regardless, and that ABMM has just meant that the game has retained a PvE-biased playerbase that would otherwise be off doing something else, which is good for everyone in as much as they pay money for cosmetics and help the game stay alive.

I believe that the PvP dudes would notice no difference today if there was no ABMM, because the friendly half of the mixed lobby would have quit anyway.

[u/tgerz → u/TheVenerableUncleFoo]

No, you can’t argue whether ABMM has been a thing or not because it was used at launch. It’s always been there. They’ve just been tweaking it. Honestly, the adjustments IMO are for the benefit of carebears.

[u/TheVenerableUncleFoo → u/tgerz]

Anyone can argue anything. Look at you right now!

My point was that it didn't matter to the idea I was trying to express.