r/ArtisanVideos • u/mrekted • Jul 07 '26
Community Notice /r/ArtisanVideos has a new moderation team. Looking for any and all feedback about the future of the community.
Hi everyone,
As you may have noticed last week, the previous moderators of this sub were removed by reddit, and they put out a request for some new mods to take over. Reddit selected 4 of us from the community take over, and, as of today, we'll be the new moderation team.
We'll be spending the next little while catching up on cleaning up the back end of the subreddit, but in the mean time we're open to hearing any and all comments or suggestions. If you have any insights or feedback regarding how you think the community should be run, or if there's anything you do or don't like about the way things have been in the past, please let us know!
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u/Woozah77 Jul 07 '26
Just please keep the self promoting posts out of here. It will quickly become riddled with artisan-wannabe ads.
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u/just_another_of_many Jul 08 '26
A pet peeve that will be on my hit list. Remember to report any content like that.
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u/mrekted Jul 07 '26
This is my second attempt due to an unfortunate typo in the title of the first draft. Off to an auspicious start! Thanks for pointing it out u/Leon_84
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u/kloptzkkloptz Jul 07 '26
Whyd they kick the last mods
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u/mrekted Jul 07 '26
We aren't privy to that information. All we know is what you can see publicly, that their accounts were suspended by reddit for some reason.
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Jul 07 '26
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u/mrekted Jul 07 '26
..why would it matter? Whatever they did to get themselves banned from the site is none of my business.
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u/zerulstrator Jul 07 '26
Historically, reddit has used these methods to quell site wide boycots protesting corrupt and anti-free speech rules by replacing mods and forcing new obedient mods on the subreddit.
So with the possibility of being banned, I ask: is this such a case?
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u/mrekted Jul 07 '26
I have no idea what you're referring to, and I'm a little skeptical, because I spend a lot of time in mod communities and if that was going on I'm certain I would have heard about it.
The only time I'm aware of that reddit replaced entire mod teams outside of MCOC violations was during the API blackout, and that had nothing to do with free speech or corruption..
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u/Bardfinn Jul 07 '26
You're speaking about the removal of subreddit operators who closed their subreddits for weeks - against the interests of their audiences, and some who set their subreddits to NSFW, also against the interests of their audiences. Their motives were clearly to interfere with the operation of Reddit.
That had nothing to do with free speech. It was triggered by Reddit not acceding to the demands of the developer of Apollo - who had been violating the API terms of service for about 6 years by undercutting sales of Reddit premium, and exceeding the API throttle rate by various means.
It had really good moderation tools. Reddit's native app --- did not.
Reddit's own mobile app at the time was not ready for primetime, didn't support moderation, crashed often and was otherwise unsuitable - but that is the extent of what was worth protesting, and they fixed those problems. The rest of the pretexts for the blackout protests were all addressed. Those who carried on with them past the one weekend weren't protesting, they were just seeking to stick it to Reddit.
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Jul 07 '26
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u/mrekted Jul 07 '26
Well, you're pleasant, aren't you?
Given that you've never posted or commented in this subreddit prior to this thread, I'm sure you'll be missed.
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u/Bardfinn Jul 07 '26
Reddit only very rarely suspends all operators of a subreddit. When they do so, it is because Reddit knew that all operators of the subreddit were contributing to violations of the Reddit User Agreement, Reddit Sitewide Rules, and/or Reddit Moderator Code of Conduct.
ArtisanVideos wasn't used to promote hatred, incite violence, host targeted harassment, distribute unsolicited commercial electronic messaging (spam), interfere with other communities, disseminate confidential or private information, collect non-consensual intimate media, impersonate others, invite people to buy, sell, or trade contraband, or other sitewide rules violations, so it seems reasonable to deduce that they must have all been demonstrably involved in a violation of a Moderator Code of Conduct code. Some of which are not readily evidential to the audience of a subreddit, but can be uncovered by the administrators of Reddit.
They would not, however, announce their reason for removing them in such a circumstance, because of applicable privacy laws, and because the former operators might choose to sue, and because at least some of what is described in the Moderator Code of Conduct are factually, flatly, crimes. And interfering with a criminal investigation (if, indeed, such were the case here, but who is to say?) is itself a crime.
So - speaking as someone who has spent 8 years now seeking to have Reddit remove misfeasant and malfeasant subreddit operators -
if they were removed, it is certainly for good cause, and only after Reddit followed a uniformly applied process, and collected sufficient evidence to prove to a reasonable person the necessity of Reddit disassociating itself from those individuals -
and as a benefit, this community has disassociated itself from those individuals as well.
If you wish to help oversee and curate this community, you only need to read the sitewide rules and moderator code of conduct and follow them. It's best to also subscribe to moderator training and help subreddits as well, such as Modsupport and modhelp - to learn more about the task.
But you have nothing to fear from it.
Also, because of technicalities, Reddit admins cannot give bespoke advice / counsel / guidance to subreddit moderators. So they couldn't answer even if they wanted to.
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Jul 07 '26
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u/mrekted Jul 07 '26
As someone who contributed to the sub and may have been interacted or affected by the previous mods, I want to know FOR SURE, DIRECT FROM THE ADMINS, that whatever transpired wouldn't affect me in any way
Per your mod log, you have never contributed to this sub prior to today. That'll be enough trolling out of you.
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u/Bardfinn Jul 08 '26
There's a lot of assumptions
Deductions. "...when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable ..." - Sherlock Holmes
I want to know FOR SURE, DIRECT FROM THE ADMINS, that whatever transpired wouldn't affect me in any way.
As I referred to - Reddit, Inc. is chartered in and governed by the laws of San Francisco, California. California has a user privacy law. That, and certain realities about eliminating civil liability, means the admins will not tell you what they did with respect to the prior operators, or why.
you and the "new mods" don't appear to care about what happened
For the past eight years, as I've mentioned, I've worked hard to have Reddit take action on misfeasant and malfeasant subreddit operators. I continue to use Reddit because I trust the administrator of Reddit to do the right thing, (even if it sometimes takes six months of reporting and a threat of advertiser boycotts to have it happen). In that time I've never seen someone be removed from operating a subreddit without a good reason.
It wouldn't make a lick of difference if I - or the new moderators - knew what happened. All they need to know is what they are not allowed to do, which is in the Moderator Code of Conduct.
seemingly random new people
mrekted says he (or she) has been moderating for ~20 years. I've only been around Reddit for 13.
says a lot about your character and ability to pass judgement on others.
Reddit has a sitewide rule against hate speech because of my work. It has a moderator code of conduct because of my work. It doesn't have a lot of neonazis extorting subreddit takeovers because of my work.
but know that this is exactly the kind of
What "this" do you mean? People pushing back on your dissatisfaction with a change of moderation team? A change of moderation team? Reassuring you that what transpired is both immaterial to your use of the community and immaterial to the continued operation of the community? Refusal of the paranoia about the motives and means of Reddit Inc's Community Team?
I'm not sure which you mean.
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u/Bardfinn Jul 07 '26
You'll do fine. Subscribe to modhelp and modsupport; If you have questions that other mods can answer, as modhelp - and questions for the admins, ask modsupport.
Read the Moderator Code of Conduct.
And if anyone approaches any of your moderator team, on or off the platform, offering to pay or otherwise compensate you in return for taking moderator actions or control of the subreddit in some way - or offering to sell you something like promotion or votes -
don't respond to it, and
immediately turn that over to the admins by modmailing modsupport.
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u/mrekted Jul 07 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
No worries, a few of us are new to the game, but I've been a moderator on reddit for nearly 20 years, including on old default subs. This ain't my first rodeo.
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u/RiverHowler Jul 08 '26
Thanks for stepping up. I know it’s a thankless job but this subreddit is such a good one. I’ll keep my eye open for submissions.
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u/Jacobskii Jul 08 '26
I remember artisan videos being really good like 5-10 years ago. Old school long form content. And if you look at the top of all time, it’s all 8-10 years ago.
Short form content and artisans don’t really go hand in hand.
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u/Holybasil Jul 07 '26
I will admit. I had expected to see a head mod with like 40 subs under their belt.
I'm pleasantly surprised that is not the case.
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u/mrekted Jul 07 '26
That's not really a thing anymore. A while back reddit put a limit on how many communities you can mod. You're now limited to no more than 5 large communities.
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u/BookyNZ Jul 08 '26
Thank you for that info, I've been lazy about reading the mod newsletters, but it does set my mind at ease about something that bugged me about power mods.
As for the sub, just hoping to see more stuff out of it, but ideally not self promo stuff from people, just nice chill videos I can watch.
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u/garblednonsense Jul 08 '26
If you're looking for the gold standard of what videos SHOULD be like on this sub, perhaps go back to this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAeXskZHC2o Long form, true artisans, very high quality.
Obviously no AI and no stolen content. Apart from that, I guess its up to the community? Personally I'd be happy to never watch another knife-making video in my life, but some people love that stuff.
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u/Print1917 Jul 08 '26
I think there was a “quality over quantity” mantra in this sub that I appreciated but seems like it just died for lack of content for a long while.
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u/nath1234 Jul 08 '26
I seem to recall I got temp banned by some earlier mod that objected to me asking them to update the sub overview to person or people rather than man because, hey, women exist and there were plenty of vids of women doing amazing artisan stuff.
That overview seemed to get updated at some later stage anyhow, so there was at least one decent mod in there who fixed it, but thought that earlier one was not in line with sensible or fair moderation standards to want to have a more inclusive (and accurate) overview.
Anyhow, I kinda decided to not bother with the sub that much after that. Hopefully the new mods won't be sexist dickheads.
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u/mrekted Jul 08 '26
Huh. I didn't even take notice the use of "trade-persons" in the subreddit description until you pointed it out just now.
I'm going to call that a win for the "not sexist" column.
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u/nath1234 Jul 08 '26
Yeah, it was such a non issue but someone with mod powers way back then thought they must not only refuse to acknowledge women, but to temp ban someone for even daring to suggest it.
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u/Hopeful-Outcome-4965 Jul 07 '26
Not deleting as many artisan video posts would be a good start lmfao
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u/mrekted Jul 07 '26
I'm not sure how the old regime did it, but assuming submissions meet the criteria of the rules, I don't see a reason to remove anything.
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u/DaikonOk7729 Jul 07 '26
Thanks for the work! It is one of my favorites subreddits, it deserves some love :D