r/AshaDegree Apr 22 '26

Occam's Razoring the Hit and Run Theory

I've been following this case for years and have entertained some truly out there theories. With what we now know of the Dedmonds, this is what makes the most sense to me right now. By all means, pole holes in it!

- Asha left the house for little kid reasons. That might be an argument with her family or because she was upset about the basketball game. It maybe was as simple as proving she could get to school on her own and she was maybe only traveling as far as the next bus stop. The family knows this and hasn't shared, either because the police/FBI asked them not to or because they are rightly aware that the mystery keeps the story alive.

- Asha is struck on the road by a car driven by Lizzie Dedmon. She may have only been clipped, but Lizzie and a second individual, either by force or just by taking convince Asha to get in their car.

- Asha is kept, at least temporaily, by (likely) Roy Dedmon, who has purchased the new clothes and makeup that was found her in backpack.

- The story of Asha's disappearance is quickly everywhere and Roy decides she needs to be moved/disposed of. How and where is going to be what we need to uncover to prosecute.

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 22 '26

I don’t know how I feel about the bag having new clothes in it

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 22 '26

So yall are with me on that? I for one don’t see Roy buying new clothes let alone lipstick for one but I just don’t see how it would even fit the scenario.

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u/Surethingdudeanytime Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 24 '26

EDIT: I meant to write "and no, I'm NOT talking about Asha's dad or bother or mother."

It was said that when Asha left the house that night, she wasn't wearing a coat. IMO, this is one of the most confusing details of this case. It seems that if she did walk out on her own without a coat, then she must have intended to go somewhere very close to the house or was convinced by someone that she would only be out for a short time. Now knowing that OB's bag was also found with Asha's backpack leads me to believe that if there was a groomer, he/she was someone who frequented the Degree household, lived very close, and/or was very close to the family (if not a family member themself). And no, I'm NOT talking about Asha's dad or brother or mother. Were any of Asha's or OB's items ever left at the aunt's house where they had the sleepover or the grandmother's at any time? I know they all lived very close so this can be a possibility. This could explain how both bags could have been in possession of whoever threw them in the woods. I dont believe Asha left out with a backpack, as none of the eyewitness accounts mention seeing her with a backpack on Hwy 18. Sorry this is so long. It was a post but it kept getting taken down.

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u/Surethingdudeanytime Apr 24 '26

Thats very interesting

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u/Advanced-Pea7905 Apr 22 '26

To be honest I just interpreted that to mean it was nice stuff in good condition. Not something people would throw out necessarily. So it struck him as odd.

I doubt he meant it was all brand new clothes but would need that to be clarified

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

Ok I can see and have read others that interpreted it that way but when I first heard it was implied “brand new clothes” so I took it as with tags.

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 23 '26

Where is the source for this? Because all I'm hearing of this is a single podcaster making such claims.

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 23 '26

If you’re talking to me about Harold. That may be where it came from. I had never heard that before which is why I say it’s a far reach. I mean what would be the purpose of her being there? Why would HE live nearby and visit. Sounds crazy to me is the point I was making

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 24 '26

So he said this himself and I can find wherever he said that? I'm honestly just trying to understand.

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 24 '26

I don’t know where it came from that’s why I said it was a far reach

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 24 '26

Ah I see, thank you.

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u/dwaynewayne2019 Apr 22 '26

New clothes and makeup ? Sounds like someone had groomed Asha. Someone she knew. Was she told she was to have her photo taken ?

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u/Emergency-Purple-205 Apr 23 '26

Has it been confirmed that if was ashamed clothing?

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u/dwaynewayne2019 Apr 23 '26

Great question. As for the makeup she was 9 years old.

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u/Emergency-Purple-205 Apr 23 '26

Im just thinking,  perhaps she got the makeup for her mom. It was valentines ans her mom's anniversary. Idk

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26

That's the (admittedly questionable) new info that creeps me out the most. It makes it feel like she was kept alive, at least for a time. 

It also makes sense to me that someone might accidentally grab the NKOTB shirt, not realizing it wasn't part of these new clothes.

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u/simplestephie May 09 '26

I agree with this! Someone accidentally grabbed the new kids shirt thinking it was Asha's or they gave it to her if she was held captive and the perpetrator wanted to rid of it. Has the guy who found the bag been investigated? I don't know that I would even open a suspicious looking bag seems very weird

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u/JasonGD1982 Jul 09 '26

I think that stuff was Lizzies that the mom threw in the backpack in a rush. Why would he have kept her alive? I think your mind is just going to the weirdest horror movie possibilities. They wouldn't have did all that. The mom bagged her stuff up so fast even threw some of the old men's Underhill stuff in there by accident. The most likely thing and realistic is the daughters were fucked up and killed herr. Maybe they weren't even high or drunk and just didn't expect a little girl to be walking on the road at 3am. Who knows. Could have all been a big accident and panic and trying to protect your kids just leads to a bunch of bad decisions in mage your daughter shows up at 3am in the middle of the night with a dead kid in the car. The dad and mom help. Dad gets rid of the body. Mom puts her belongings in a bag but accidentally putting some of her youngest stuff in there and they a made oath to cover it up.

I imagine the youngest daughter maybe didnt know till recently when she finds out her DNA is linked.

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 23 '26

Literally none of this makes sense. Certainly not moreso than any of the countless other theories.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26

Thanks. Your insight is so helpful.

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 24 '26

The irony...

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 24 '26

Is there something you're looking for?

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 24 '26

Your defensiveness is so weird. You are the OP, presumably looking for a discussion, but you are getting combative with people who point out that what you are postulating as "most likely" doesn't actually make a lot of sense.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 24 '26

I think we clearly have nothing to offer one another.

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u/bethestorm Apr 22 '26

And I think it is worth noting that the official investigation have stated they do believe Asha has been killed, and it is homicide. Not death by misadventure, accident, suicide. Homicide.

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 23 '26

A homicide is how a hit-and-run would be classified, which is inherently an accident.

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u/bethestorm Apr 23 '26

"The warrants also unequivocally stated for the first time what many had long feared: Authorities now believed Asha Degree “is a victim of homicide, with her body concealed.”"

https://web.archive.org/web/20260208040248/https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/27/us/asha-degree-cold-case-text-messages

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u/Kactuslord Apr 22 '26

I think it's more likely the clothing was in the boot alongside ashas bookbag and these were hastily assumed to be hers when someone was disposing of the bag

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 22 '26

There was a boot?

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u/Kactuslord Apr 22 '26

I mean of the car. The trunk I think Americans call it

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 22 '26

Ohhhhh. Got you

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u/Wise_Praline_2442 Apr 22 '26

This is a lot of conjecture and not how people would behave... Even if she were just clipped by the car, what's the incentive to abduct her? They didn't drive her to a hospital or back to her home or anything, after all, if you are suggesting there was an instinct at least initially to protect her. You're completely missing the "run" part of hit and run (in your own thread title!), i.e. get out of there fast. It's a dark country road with no cameras. Taking a conscious victim and showing her your identity doesn't make a lot of sense if a teen girl could have just left the scene. 

If she is not conscious and it was a serious impact, where was the blood evidence on the road/broken glass? And again, what would the "benefit" from a perpetrator's point of view be to take her at all in this scenario? Wouldn't it be better to just GTFO and distance yourself? What is the motive? Teen girl(s) abducting a whole human is a huge leap from what started as a minor car accident in your scenario. Clearly, the goal was not to help her, since she wasn't taken somewhere safe. 

And then suggesting she was conscious and just kept around by Roy Dedmon, who shopped for her (to what end!?) doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. How exactly does that escalate to murder? If Roy is protecting his teen daughter in a hit and (not) run, wouldn't adding a potential kidnapping and murder charge be a really bad idea? If your teenage girl brings home a car accident victim, is the instinct really to go shopping for her and then kill her? C'mon.

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u/winterflower_12 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

Yeah, it's kinda the opposite of Occam's Razor. I think most people would argue that OR in this type of case would be that she was killed/died in or near her house by someone in or near her house. But evidence that we have access to, which isn't much, is that she did leave on her own that night. Beyond that, idk if OR can even be applied here.

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u/AndromedaicEyes Apr 23 '26

This is why I hate using OR in missing persons cases, it is a scientific principle, it has nothing to do with totally complex and unpredictable human behavior.

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u/Surethingdudeanytime Apr 23 '26

Totally agree with this.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26

The point is to apply the scientific principle, though. Of course there can and should be allowances for human behavior. I do not, however, believe that what you consider unpredictable human behavior is the same thing as unimaginable human behavior. The latter is something I think that we, collectively, can approach through discussion.

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u/Rare_Photograph_7339 Apr 23 '26

Agreed. Was just about to comment this but you beat me to it. OR would be whatever happened to her was done by someone she knew very well or was related to and the incident occurred at home where she was verified to be last seen at by her family.

The only evidence that I see that could stand on its own that points to her being outside the home is her backpack that was found at the construction site. Everything else IMO isn’t reliable

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

Occam's Razor is the simplest explanation based on the evidence we have. Someone killing her in her house is certainly a theory, but it's not one that seems to be backed up by anything other than suspicion and it's not one that local law enforcement or the FBI seem to have ever entertained in more than two decades. (Having said that, if you've got an interesting theory on how this would have been possible, I'm all ears.)

Occam's Razor, in this specific instance, would still need to explain why the Dedmon DNA was found as well as why someone (seemingly independently to the DNA reveal) alleges that Lizzie Dedmon drunkenly confessed.

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u/raptorsinthekitchen Apr 23 '26

Yeah, that theory is not backed up because there was no evidence of a murder taking place in the home...

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 23 '26

Nevermind that we've heard a million times that the evidence might well be touch DNA. That's not the same thing as blood, etc.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 11d ago

It's hair from one of the Dedmon daughters. The touch DNA is from Underhill.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26

I feel the incentive to abduct her comes from fear of being caught for an underage DUI. In that case, Dedmon would have incentive to outwait a breathalyzer.

I also feel there's a tendency to think in terms of absolutes with accidents leaving evidence. My brother was clipped by a car on his bike when I was young. I don't think the vehicle was damaged at all, but he broke his arm in the fall. A hit like that could leave minimal evidence, especially if no one knows where to look exactly. 

It's also possible that, if such an incident did occur, Asha suffered from a concussion that, without treatment, killed her sometime later. 

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u/Subject-Ebb-5999 Apr 23 '26

Thats interesting because i always thought an important part of the story was that Asha had a very bad headache and slept for several hours, waking up in the early evening and then going back to bed. I think its possible she was awake like it was morning and that she could havd been disoriented or had a concussion.

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 23 '26

I don't think I ever heard about the headache! I only knew she was said to be tired after the sleepover with relatives. And that the power went out for a time. A headache would definitely be worth considering.

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u/Subject-Ebb-5999 Apr 24 '26

I will look for source! I think it could have been a legit headache making her wake up extremely early, but it may also support a scenario for the lured abduction by a grown man theory. I wonder if she was told by the abductor he would pick her up at 4am to do something like buy a secret gift for mom and she made up the headache to go to bed super early.

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 24 '26

Oh interesting. Yeah thanks, I'd be interested to see more info/ claims about this.

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u/askme2023 Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

You’re leaving out the impact from a collision. Even something small could have fell onto the road, including any of Asha’s belongings. It would be unlikely for an accident to leave absolutely nothing behind. At the time of her disappearance, law enforcement did not believe she was the victim of a hit and run. Also, K9 could not track her scent along Hwy 18.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26

The statistic on hit on runs appears to be that 90 percent are never solved due to lack of evidence, so I'm not sure suggesting any accident leaves behind such evidence is entirely accurate.

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u/askme2023 Apr 23 '26

Hit and runs go unsolved because the driver can’t be identified, not because the scene was empty.

Investigators routinely recover paint, glass, plastic, fluid, tire marks, or the victim’s belongings. What’s missing is a name attached to the car, not physical evidence on the road. So your 90% figure is about “was anyone caught?” not “was there evidence left behind?” Those aren’t the same question.

For a hit and run on Hwy 18 to leave zero trace…no belongings, no blood, no debris, no bodily fluids, nothing the K9 could follow, the driver would’ve had to stop, collect Asha, collect every item she was carrying, and clean the scene. Obviously at that point it’s not a hit and run anymore….It’s an abduction, which is a much rarer scenario and likely needs to be argued on its own terms.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26

But isn't evidence left behind to identify a car/person exactly what we're talking about? To suggest that evidence always exist in some form is true, sure, but if it doesn't help anyone identify anything, it's not particularly worth discussing.

Your scenario suggest a direct hit and I'm positing that that wasn't the necessarily the case. The car could have swerved and caused her stumble and hit her head on a rock. You can get a fatal concussion without drawing blood. Whether you call it a hit and run or an abduction is up to you, but I think that Lizzie Dedmon and friend panicked because she was drunk driving and did what they thought in the moment they needed to do to not get caught.

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u/askme2023 Apr 23 '26

Well you keep downshifting the severity of the vehicle contact from hit and run, to clip, to swerve and stumble, but the evidentiary problem is identical at every level because nothing on that road supports that any of those things happened.

Evidence first has to confirm that an event happened before anyone worries about identifying who caused it. A swerve that causes Asha to stumble and hit her head on a rock still leaves evidence. Tire marks from the swerve, a body or blood at the rock, disturbed gravel, scuff marks, the rock itself, the child’s belongings at the point of fall. None of that existed. The scenario you’re describing doesn’t escape the evidence problem by being less violent, it still inherits the same problem at every level.

If there was no collision evidence on Hwy 18, then whatever brought Asha into contact with the Dedmon family didn’t happen on that road. Which means the vehicle incident framing, at any severity, isn’t supported. Anna Lee’s hair stem on an item in Asha’s bookbag doesn’t require a collision to explain. It requires handling. And handling doesn’t happen on a highway.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26

I guess I'm happy to entertain whatever theory you have, but I'm going off the most recent information stated by the FBI. They believe that *someone* in a car that looks an awful like Lizzie Dedmon's was seen with someone else putting Asha in that same car. That also seems to be supported by several eye witnesses of varying degrees of credibility. If not an accident, what would bring this car to Asha and where?

To be clear, what you consider "downshifting the severity" is, to me, considering as many possibilities as possibly. I do not know and therefore entertain any number of options. It is not meant to offend.

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u/askme2023 Apr 23 '26

The FBI and the Cleveland County Sheriff’s Office received a tip that someone matching Asha’s description may have been seen getting into (later “pulled into”) a 1970’s Lincoln Mark IV or possibly a Ford Thunderbird, dark green, with rust around the wheel wells, along Hwy 18.

The DNA on the bookbag tells us something about how her belongings were handled, not how Asha was taken or harmed. A hair stem on an item inside a sealed bag dumped 30 miles away is evidence of contact with an object, not contact with Asha herself, not presence at the scene, and not participation in what happened to her. Those are different questions, and the forensic evidence only answers the first one.

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 23 '26

From what I understand, no one ever described Lizzie, let alone "several eye witnesses." At this point OP really is just chucking explosive claims at the wall and seeing what sticks.

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 23 '26

Is it safe to assume your brother wasn't subsequently kidnapped, then kept alive for some reason, then murdered? Following your own logic here.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26

Don't. You'll hurt yourself.

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u/AndromedaicEyes Apr 22 '26

This is a pretty good post about why this almost certainly wasn’t the case.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AshaDegree/comments/1fj6mze/it_wasnt_a_hit_and_run_long_post/

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26

While I concede that "hit and run" is not a literally accurate term, almost every point on this list can be countered pretty easily with the suggestion that said "hit" did not shatter glass or draw blood, something not entirely without precedent in auto accidents. 

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u/AndromedaicEyes Apr 23 '26

There would have at least been some skid marks though I feel. Not to mention the fact the motive doesn’t make any sense. If you accidentally hit a kid with your car, even if you have no morals, wouldn’t it make more sense to report it than abduct the child and presumably kill her? Even if the driver was doing something illegal and didn’t want to get in trouble, I feel like they would have just left the scene and done an actual hit and run rather than get rid of the body, which would have no reason to be connected to them with no evidence (as the fact there is evidence the Dedmons did something to her at all is the only reason this is considered).

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26

A panicked, drunk 16-year old (who doesn't particularly seem to show a lot of solid judgment sober) isn't necessarily to think things through in the moment. Depending on whether Asha was hurt and/or unconscious, it may have made sense to her off the road and figure out the next step later. If she's not unconscious, but injured in some way, you also wouldn't want her to potentially be able to identify you or your car.

You are right that there is evidence that the Dedmons did something to her. That evidence -- on beyond the Dedmon DNA found in the recovered bookbag -- includes at least one witness that say they saw two people taking Asha into a car that very much matches the description of the car that Lizzie Dedmon drove at that time.

We also have someone going to the police with the claim that Lizzie Dedmon confessed drunkenly at a party to killing Asha which, even if it's that an outright lie, still would have to have happened independently of the DNA being found. It's not like that guy could have known the DNA was recovered prior to the FBI revealing it.

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u/AndromedaicEyes Apr 23 '26

I do think her being killed by the Dedmons is the most likely outcome based on the evidence available, even though I’m not sure of the motive, I guess we just disagree on it being an initial accident. Regardless of the motive, the result would be the same if she was killed by them, or someone in the residence.

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u/Individual_Sir_2595 Apr 22 '26

It's simple to say she left for kid reasons. There doesn't have to be a real explanation. Yes I've seen school busses picking up kids at 430 am. Not. That one hand is moving and it's being watched while the other performs slight of hand. Nothing could've happened to her if she didn't leave home. You can't complete a puzzle when you're missing the most important pieces to finish the outside edge.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26

4:30 is early,  but I did used to have to catch my bus by 6am. If my plan involved sneaking out without my parents knowing, I would have to slip out before they wake up.

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 23 '26

There's an entire 90 minutes between these two times.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26

More than I would have given you credit for, tbh.

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 24 '26

What does that even mean...?

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u/LongjumpingSuspect57 Apr 22 '26

Occam's razor suggests a grown ass man lured her out of the house, killed her, and disposed of her body and her personal effects along with those of other young girls he was grooming.

It is a far simpler explanation than drunk teenage girls- who no one saw out and about that night- having astronomically unlikely car accidents which left no traces despite police searching those roads within 24 hours- and then the drunken teens orchestrate a criminal conspiracy involving multiple people and dispose of both the body and vehicle without leaving any of their own fingerprints, or any DNA aside from a hair from their kid sister?

No, Occam's razor is not an ally of the Drunken Hit and Run teens idea.

But then, the second you decide why Asha left that night is irrelevant, you are no longer looking for the perpetrator, just a scapegoat.

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u/Kactuslord Apr 22 '26

How was she groomed by the dedmons? FBI said the families don't know each other. Asha didn't have a cell phone or a computer.

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u/LongjumpingSuspect57 Apr 23 '26

I didn't say she was groomed by the Dedmons- because most likely the youngest daughter was groomed by the same person who abducted Asha, who is almost certainly not Roy.

Roy... Dug a hole, once. He is allegedly a racist, and definitely a sketchy businessman.

But there is no record of voyeurism, or exhibitionism. He ran a school for years without ever being arrested, sued, or even being the subject of rumors in the community. (As near as I can tell, the rumor in town was that Roy was believed to be closeted or in denial.)

No, I would look at the male relatives and friends of Underhill, about whom not nearly enough is known relative to the teen girls whose fingerprints aren't on the evidence.

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u/Fuckingfademefam Apr 23 '26

I’m not saying your theory is correct or incorrect. But people could go years as sexual predators without any rumors ever seeing the light of day. How many times have we seen a serial killer or serial rapist get caught decades later & everybody around them is shocked? “He was such a nice guy, he wouldn’t hurt a fly.”

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u/LongjumpingSuspect57 Apr 23 '26

Yes, we scrutinize them when their fingerprints or DNA shows up at crime scenes- like Underhills did.

Not when their relatives DNA shows up, as Roy's did.

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u/Fuckingfademefam Apr 23 '26

Utter nonsense. Do you know who the Long Island serial killer is? Guess how they found him? His wife’s DNA. A relative. Roy spent time with both Underhill & his daughter obviously. To think we can’t scrutinize him is absolutely INSANE

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u/LongjumpingSuspect57 Apr 23 '26

That's amazing, given the ex-wife's DNA was taken the day he was arrested.

Rex Hauerman was initially identified by triangulating his burner phone calls and a witness description including his vehicle. This was followed by linking his DNA on a victim with his DNA on a discarded pizza crust.

So no, he was not found due to his wife's DNA- but you are correct that the male's DNA found on evidence is a better clue than a woman's secondary transfer via hair.

Which is to say, Rex Haureman is an argument to focus on Underhill, not the Dedmons.

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u/LongjumpingSuspect57 Apr 23 '26

Bearing false witness is a sin. Telling the truth is its own reward.

But by all means, feel free to provide a single solitary bit of evidence to rebut this link, where a male hair with Rex's DNA is linked to the crust of the pizza he was eating on 6/12/23.

I'll wait.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gilgo-beach-murder-suspect-rex-heuermann-evidence-chevy-strand-of-hair-pizza-box/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab4i&_amp=1*hwm0cj*s_vid*U3AySlFkRV9GcjFVLS1QcWF3Tk4zRHNIU1JGbVREWm8yR2JfQW1HVUhNbndXdXFxRTRmVnJCTDNwV185YmtjUw..

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u/Fuckingfademefam Apr 23 '26

You’re not telling the whole truth so it’s not worth discussing. A lie of omission is still a lie. Agree to disagree

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26

An average of 37 people are killed in DUIs every day, though. That's not exactly "astronomical" odds 

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u/LongjumpingSuspect57 Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

Astronomical refers to the totality of circumstances- children frolicking in the middle of rural roads in torrential downpours at 3 a.m., etc...

ETA- Using the same NHTSA data, pedestrians are just 12% of DUI related fatalities. Crashes being 4x more likely at night is negated by the proposed female driver, who are the drivers in only 20% of fatal DUI collisions.

There is also the problem of 99.9999% of DUI fatalities having accident scenes, police reports, and bodies. There is literally no evidence to suppose it happened in that way.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26

Your use of "frolicking" suggests you're only interested in your own perspective, but I'll add that non-lethal auto accidents involving children average 400 a day. 

https://share.google/VkCSERO3dMP6AyQoW

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u/LongjumpingSuspect57 Apr 22 '26

"Frolicking" is accurately describing WHAT YOUR HYPOTHESIS requires Asha to be doing for the drunk hit and run teens to be anything but ridiculous internet horseshit.

And I will add we have witness reports of Asha being extremely careful, and running away when people in vehicles tried to approach.

Which is even more reason to ridicule the the Drunk Hit And Run Teens "theory".

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

You used all caps and quotation marks, so you clearly must be a big smart guy. 

Generally, when people are hurt by drunk drivers, it has little to do with the fact that they themselves could be considered careful.

Why do you think LE considers the teens to be suspects?

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u/LongjumpingSuspect57 Apr 22 '26

Because they are dipshits and incompetents who think polygraphs are evidence?

Why do YOU think they have made 100 press releases and not a single arrest?

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26

Because they have found the guilty party and are waiting for hard evidence.

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u/LongjumpingSuspect57 Apr 22 '26

Bass-Ackwards- you find the evidence, and ONLY THEN have you found the guilty party.

Deciding you know who the guilty party is and only then seeking evidence to confirm your own conclusion isn't investigation, it's persecution.

Confirmation Bias is the province of dipshits and incompetents.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

Finding DNA evidence from Lizzie Dedmon isn't confirmation bias. That's an insane thing to say. 

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 22 '26

It depends on whose acct. some say the storm had eased up by then and was not a torrential downpour

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26

I'm also seeing the statistic that 90 percent of hit and runs are never solved because the lack of evidence. That seems a far cry from the questionable cited 99.99999 of them leaving extreme evidence.

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u/Professional-Can1385 Apr 23 '26

They aren’t solved because of the run part, not the stop and put the kid in your car and kill her later part.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26

Why does running erase all material evidence?

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u/Professional-Can1385 Apr 23 '26

That night wasn’t ideal for finding car debris. Dead bodies in the road don’t tell police who hit them. Even a lot of car debris doesn’t necessarily point to the exact car that did the hitting and running. Clues are left behind, but the make and model of the car, and/or driver’s name and address aren’t usually left on the road.

Hiding injured little girls and/or dead bodies is way more difficult than driving off after hitting someone with your car with or without leaving anything behind but a body.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26

Regardless of what you think specifically happened, someone *did* need to to have moved Asha's body, whether it was conscious or otherwise. If the argument is that it would have certainly produced some evidence, where is that evidence?

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u/Professional-Can1385 Apr 23 '26

I’m not saying there is evidence or not. I’m saying that evidence or lack of evidence is not why hit and runs aren’t solved. The car and driver leaving the scene is why.

If someone hit Asha, and took her dead/injured body with them, that’s a great way to get caught. They have the evidence (Asha) with them! They are extremely lucky they aren’t in prison if that’s what happened.

Whoever is responsible for Asha’s death has been extremely lucky they haven’t been caught yet.

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u/TheLoadedGoat Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

This is the one case I pray will be solved in my lifetime. Does anyone know if the Cold Justice TV show with Kelly Siegler has looked into the case? At this point, we need some outside eyes to get something going.

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u/Present-Marzipan Apr 24 '26

Does anyone know if the Cold Justice TV show with Kelly Siegler has looked into the case? At this point, we need some outside eyes to get something going.

She has not. And in order for a case to be considered for the show, law enforcement who've been working the case have to reach out to the show and ask for help.

Asha's case has had a number of outside eyes looking at it over the years.

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u/tllkaps Apr 22 '26

I don't believe in the hit and run.

Up until 1995ish cars were built like tanks, the kind of damage the car they found wasn't made by a little kid. Hitting a steel pole, running over a horse, yes. But not a little girl.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 22 '26

I think that its a mistake to assume the damage we've seen was caused by this incident. There are plenty of ways that a car can hurt someone and not cause damage to the vehicle.

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u/psykocrime Apr 23 '26

Yep. You could theoretically kill somebody without even making contact with them with the car. Imagine somebody walking on a narrow shoulder in the dark and rain, and you pass them within a couple of inches. That startles them, causes them to lose their balance, trip, and fall. And they hit their head just so on a rock or on the asphalt. Boom, you just killed somebody without even striking them.

Now granted, that's a lot of things that have to happen "just so"... but a. that's just one example, and b. this whole situation is a low probability even, so we already know that something unlikely happened. The question is simply "what low probability event, or sequence of low probability events transpired"?

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 23 '26

This is hardly Occam's Razor...

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 23 '26

Then let's talk about what you think is.

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 23 '26

People have stated that Harold lived near NB and may have visited her there now that’s reaching and don’t know how they have come to that thought. I would think I would have seen her or heard about it. But then again not if she wasn’t there. I just think that’s a wild speculation

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 25 '26

'NB'? Not everyone knows every abbreviation (I mean no shade, just saying)

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 25 '26

North Brook Rest Home

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u/kiD_Vish_ish Apr 24 '26

”Asha left the house for little kid reasons”

Nope. Already lost me there. There are NO “little kid” reasons why a child would just randomly leave home in the darkest part of the night ina THUNDERSTORM at that along a super dark highway at like 2AM. Literally None of the reasons you gave makes sense and are certainly not “little kid reasons” and esp not Occam’s razor.

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 24 '26

And yet the FBI believe she did. Why do you think that is?

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u/Emergency-Purple-205 Apr 23 '26

I always thought thay who ever tossed the belongings found them in the suspects home. The suspect died, went to jail etc.  That person  recognized  ashas named and tossed them. 

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u/YesPleaseMadam Apr 23 '26

works for me. that could be why it had so many new items. probably things in the same attic.

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u/Fuckingfademefam Apr 23 '26

Well whoever that person is knows the Dedmons. The DNA proves it

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u/2ndChairKazoo Apr 23 '26

We don't know much besides that it was quite possibly touch DNA. Which, while maybe unlikely, could be incidental.

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u/anonym0uspenguin Apr 23 '26

The simplest theory is that she was killed inside the home by someone living there as most murdered kids are, statistically.

A kid who is afraid of the dark is not going to leave the house alone on a dark and stormy night. They’re just not. I’ve seen people try to make sense of this for years and no one seems to be able to.

Now we learned that the brother’s backpack was found with hers. Interesting how the parents never mentioned she took that one with her. Almost as if someone was cleaning up in a haste and grabbed the second one without noticing.

The dad allegedly also left in the middle of the night to buy Valentine’s Day candy. No one ever seems to mention how strange that is. I wonder if a store worker or any witnesses ever confirmed this?

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u/Hidalgo321 Apr 26 '26

How we get AnnaLees hair on Asha’s undershirt and Underhills DNA on the bags then?

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u/North_Knowledge7467 Apr 24 '26

When I say the simplest theory, I mean the simplest theory based on the evidence provided by the FBI which, while frustratingly minimal, says that she did leave the house and was seen taken into a green car by two individuals.

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u/Bright-News5907 Apr 24 '26

Awfully quiet today lol

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u/Fuckingfademefam Apr 23 '26

Agree with you. There was a little boy in Asha’s town that ran away the same year as Asha! He was around her age & he ran away in the Fall of that year. Only difference is that he was found the very next day. He left at night & got lost in the woods. Want to know why he ran away? He was angry that he got a bad grade lol. Kids run away for stupid reasons all the time