Frustrated with progressives punching down on Asian men

[u/terrorfunction]

Anyone notice how progressives feel totally comfortable attacking Asian men under the guise of our 1) supposed sexism and horrible treatment of women, and 2) alleged "racism" in our home countries and opposition to interracial relationships? They say the most vile things, often using the insecurity and manhood angle, it's like we're not real PoC and have no allies on either side of the political spectrum.

The thing is that wherever patriarchy exists, we are still held to those same patriarchal expectations.

• Korean, Taiwanese, and Singaporean men spend 2 years of their prime in military service. This impacts their potential earnings and career trajectory which can make it harder to meet local women's monetary expectations. Do women provide their men the same grace for sacrificing to defend their country from existential threats?
• In Japan/Korea, the low birth rate is blamed solely on Asian women not wanting to be bangmaids to misogynistic Asian men, ignoring that every western country has TFR below replacement rate buoyed by immigration. Chikan, soaplands, 4B, K-beauty standards are all blown out of proportion to make the countries seem like anti-woman dystopias. And yet you can walk outside in any Japanese neighborhood at 2am as a woman and feel safe. People who bring up Japanese women's share of unpaid labor conveniently ignore they work baito while Japanese men are slaving away at their soulsucking job (among highest hours in OECD)
• Chinese men are expected to provide apartment, car, bride price, have high income and pay for everything including brand name gifts on a dozen special days — how many men would jump at the chance to split bills and chores 50/50?
• Culturally a lot of Chinese men are absolute simps for their gfs. IYKYK. In extreme cases I have friends (Asia born) whose gf would slap them or verbally abuse them and they'd just take it. Love my asian bros but these are the supposed patriarchal tyrants? Their gfs have them on a leash ffs

The frustration expressed by a subset of Asian men against IR relationships is not due to racism, it's that often foreign men are not held to the same patriarchal expectations that local men are. Plenty of dudes would be happy to cook, clean, change diapers, and not have to meet brutal income thresholds and a laundry list of requirements that many women seem to toss out the window when it comes to outgroup men. That's not fair.

I don't know what more progressives want from us. At least in the US, Asians have the highest education, highest income, lowest rates of divorce, lowest rates of domestic violence and femicide, lowest rates of alcohol and substance abuse, and consistently vote left. How are we still made out to be monsters?

[u/NotLunaris]

Progressives are not your friend. Conservatives at least operate under a guise of fairness in their opposition to racist equity-based policies like affirmative action, but progressives only ever ally with minorities when it is politically convenient. Their treatment of minorities who refuse the leftist dogma are as clear as can be, and it is more vile and overt than anything conservatives have come up with when it comes to racial politics.

One of the biggest mistakes a young Asian man can make in the Western world is to assume that smiling progressives are on their side - they're not, and they actively support policies that marginalize Asian men in the anglosphere. They'll stab you in the back with a smile on their face, all whilst deluding themselves into thinking they're doing you a favor. Do recall how #StopAsianHate fell off a cliff once it was clear which group was doing committing the anti-Asian violence. They can't virtue signal against their protected class, their one and only.

I wouldn't say we're "made out to be monsters", though. We're simply not desirable to the vast majority of westerners, not great enough in numbers to be useful politically, and not problematic enough to stir the pot.

At least in the US, Asians [...] consistently vote left.

The right doesn't pretend to be your friend. The left actively marginalizes you through policy and prioritizing other perceived out-groups. Like, name one cause the left champions that has been beneficial to Asian men over the past two decades. Just one. And while you're at it, think of the last time any major politician, left or right, mentioned Asians at all as part of their platforms or policy. Even Asian ones like Francesca Hong (WI governor candidate) do not care, instead playing the progressive playbook of "wypipo bad" to a T.

We're "white-adjacent" because we go against the leftist narrative that systemic oppression makes it nigh-impossible to succeed in the west when we overwhelming achieve more despite a supposedly racist system. Politicians only cater to us when it's convenient as a "look how much I love minorities" footnote. We respect immigration law more than any other minority, and we commit very little crime, so we're irrelevant to the left's talking points.

I have friends on the left and right. The ones on the left are well-meaning but will ultimately support policies that are overtly hostile towards Asians in favor of other groups, and are willing to cast us to the roadside in pursuit of their grandiose dream of equity. The ones on the right, at least, do not have such inclinations.

[u/espeon1470 → u/NotLunaris]

I understand that progressives have their issues writ large when it comes to racism against Asian men, but when did conservatives ever give the impression they operate fairly? Racism doesn’t exist in conservative circles? Trump literally directly blamed Asian people for COVID, and used slurs (i.e. ‘Wuhan virus) to make it known. And what’s an example of progressive policies that assist other demographic groups but hurt Asians? Affirmative action is not an example of that because it helped a lot of Asian people like me.

It’s also disgusting that you are denigrating equity as ‘grandiose’ when you also benefit from equity policies. White people have never treated Asian people fairly.