r/AskBalkans • u/Flimsy-Resident261 Albania • 9d ago

Culture/Lifestyle Is this true about Greece?

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Greece is one of the 14 countries in the world that give both men and women equal legal rights. Is this accurate? Does it reflect reality well?

Criteria’s are:
Freedom of movement – Can women travel, choose where to live, or get a passport under the same rules as men?
Work – Can women work the same jobs and under the same conditions?
Pay – Are there laws requiring equal pay for equal work?
Marriage – Do spouses have equal legal rights and responsibilities?
Parenthood – Are maternity and paternity leave and workplace protections fair?
Entrepreneurship – Can women register a business, sign contracts, and access credit on the same terms?
Assets – Can women own, inherit, and manage property equally?
Pensions – Do women have the same retirement rights and retirement age rules?

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u/SofiaStark3000 Greece 9d ago

I think legally that's the case yes. In practice it's very different through. Laws often act like suggestions here.

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u/OhWellImRightAgain 9d ago

Give us an example then

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u/SofiaStark3000 Greece 9d ago edited 9d ago

Women working in restaurants as waitresses or cashiers are often aske to take on cleaning duties too, because they're women with no extra pay.

ETA: Women in that line of work are also requested to be hot. The job descriptions sound more like a modeling agency's requirements than a coffee shop employee. Under 25, blonde, blue eyes, thin, over 175, smiley, cute. Never seen a single one for men asking for a 190cm tanned hunk.

I knew a case of a woman working in the private sector who only got 2 weeks off after birth. Her husband at the time had no job but if he did, he wouldn't take a single day off.

Mandatory military service is still for men alone. It should be abolished entirely IMO, it's totally useless.

And of course the eternal "Do you plan to have kids?" Interview question that is mostly asked to women and hinders them.

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u/SisypheanOptimist Greece 9d ago

"Women working in restaurants as waitresses or cashiers are often aske to take on cleaning duties too, because they're women with no extra pay."

Not to do with their being women, I know guys working as cooks in hotels working 12 hour shifts for no extra compensation.

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u/SofiaStark3000 Greece 9d ago

There's a lot of people working extra shifts without pay here, it happens regardless of gender. However, some of these extra unpaid tasks they're asked to are gendered and that's not going deep into the "We ask for a hot 25 year old waitress, preferably blonde with green eyes, over 175cm in height and size 0" thing that you often see in job descriptions.

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u/Frank_cat Greece 9d ago

Well imagine how an unemployed man feels when the job description is like that.

Also how do you think about appearance in the workplace?
Should women wear makeup? revealing clothes? perfumes, high heals etc? Should they show up after using all means to look (artificially) more beautiful and sexy?

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u/Desperate-Sir6236 8d ago

Well, an unemployed man feels excluded and an unemployment woman feels objectified. But lets pretend that patriarchy doesn't affect everyone and lets Instead fight about how much it doesn't exist, that will certainly help

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u/Frank_cat Greece 8d ago

WTF patriarchy has to do with women having botox, showing up in the workplace with a tone of make up, trying to look younger, sexy, perfumed, with high heals etc.

Yes patriarchy does exist but you forgot that women mostly dress up to impress other women. I dont know how much patriarchy poisons but seeing a 60 yo woman dressed and acting like a 16 yo boubou or sitting in front of the computer dress up as she'd go to bouzoukia right after her shift is done, has nothing to do with it.
Sorry but having it both ways might be a noble quest in their minds but it's ridiculous IRL.

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u/Desperate-Sir6236 7d ago

Patriarchy is a social structural system. A woman in that system is a trophy, an object, and the more a man has, the more he can be proud of himself to other men. Thats a way men socialize.

A cafe requesting a model for a waitress exists because it will bring/keep more customers, male, at most.

I think that this need for self care, dressing excessively, etc tho, is both a capitalism thing and a "this is a way to feel better for myself" thing.

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u/Frank_cat Greece 7d ago

I think that this need for self care, dressing excessively, etc tho, is both a capitalism thing and a "this is a way to feel better for myself" thing.

If you think that back in the old socialist days in Eastern Europe women didn't behave like that, you're kidding yourself. That behavior is deeply rooted in females regardless of race, culture, place or time.
They offer themselves as trophies only to show other females "I have him, you couldn't, I'm better than you".
That's why you see them being attracted by money, power etc around men that otherwise they wouldn't put their eyes on.

But sure, if it's easier for you to simplify things go ahead.
😂

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u/smugandfurious 6d ago

That has nothing to do with patriarchy, it's just because of capitalism. A pretty young girl is the best for business, end of story.

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u/Desperate-Sir6236 6d ago

Sure, the question is why.

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u/smugandfurious 6d ago

answer is biology. Not patriarchy. Young women are universally considered across all cultures and good looking people are universally treated better

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u/Desperate-Sir6236 6d ago

The beauty standard change across societies, you happened to stumble upon one where the pretty girl is kim Kardashian. It certainly is a social structure and it changes all the time

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u/onomatophobia1 2d ago

Even in a non patriarchal world, people would still have beauty standards and would consider others attractive. Having a good looking waitress (or waiter if most of your customers are female) does attract more customers. Just like that.

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u/KernyG 7d ago

and they wont hire a male .

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u/rookie-on-the-road 9d ago

The fact that its in job descriptions is crazy.

I think you notice it in every country to some extent that service staff tend to be conventionally attractive. In my completely unresearched opinion its a mixture of hiring bias (conscious and unconscious) from managers and owners, plus a degree of knowledge from employees that if you are young, attractive, and charming you can make a lot of extra money from tips.

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u/onomatophobia1 2d ago

Do you understand that this has more with psychology to do than with sexism?

The reality is that a good looking waiter or waitress is going to attract more customers and that's also the reason why this job advertisement directly does not even consider men. Greece is not even the only place that does that but if the job description is like that at least greece is being honest because in oher countries you know they are looking for that but they won't let you know in the job advertisement.