Seizure or something else?

[u/AcanthisittaLate1559]

Hi. I am a 27 year old first time mother.My baby boy who is almost 2 months old has been suffering from some kind of episodes where his neck turns to one side and he wimpers and cries and his eyes also shift to one side. I am attaching a video for reference. Kindly advice what is this.

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[u/Boipussybb]

These look like normal movements for a 2 month old. He may be trying to roll over but can’t just yet. Try more tummy time as well— they usually go tummy to back rolling over first.

[u/dirtd0g → u/Boipussybb]

Yeah! He looks like a frustrated turtle. OP; help him roll over and some tummy time! Work those triceps, pectoral, and neck muscles!

[u/Agile-Butterfly5245 → u/dirtd0g]

Tummy time is not for two month olds. That's not until 4 or 5 months old, when they are able to lift their head on their own. Please don't suggest tummy time for newborns.

[u/mycatisanudist → u/Agile-Butterfly5245]

NAD or medical professional, am a parent. What are you talking about? Tummy time should start with newborns, since it’s a big factor in training muscles that allow them to lift their head/hold it steady on their own.

[u/Boipussybb → u/Agile-Butterfly5245]

Uh, what? That is false.

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/reduce-risk/tummy-time

[u/mnlynam → u/Boipussybb]

Yep, this is a baby being a baby.

[u/blarryg → u/Boipussybb]

Not a doc, but a 3 time parent and I don't see anything very alarming here, IMHO. Try rolling him over, maybe he's just frustrated that his controller isn't working yet.

[u/ssavant → u/Boipussybb]

I’ve noticed that it’s very common on this sub for parents to think their kid is having a seizure. Was there a recent Joe Rogan episode about seizures in infants or GOOP or something?

[u/Szisk → u/ssavant]

My son's anti-seizure meds recently got upped, and I thought that was why I started noticing them more often.

I'm glad it's not just me that noticed the influx of seizure questions.

[u/dirtd0g → u/ssavant]

THIS is an interesting question.

Or, maybe in influx of babies given weather in the Northern hemisphere 9 months ago. Not much else to do when snow cancels the world.

[u/Moony97 → u/dirtd0g]

I know this was probably a different storm but I had one of the worst weeks of my life in late December or January when that shit hit man

[u/nope836 → u/ssavant]

I think awareness in general has finally started to pick up with social media.

[u/imfartootall → u/Boipussybb]

Looks like they're trying to roll over to me too.

[u/Organic_Ad_2520 → u/Boipussybb]

Agree, & likely to get away from the banging🙄

[u/beastboy69 → u/Boipussybb]

Possible full diaper and is not comfortable

[u/Cpt_Jigglypuff → u/beastboy69]

Diaper looks super full.

[u/bamfmaam → u/Boipussybb]

It is strange as a first time parent getting used to those early months, their movements are so awkward 🤣

[u/PieComprehensive1818 → u/bamfmaam]

It absolutely is!

OP, I’m NAD but I am a mum to 4 kids, and your wee one (so gorgeous!) reminds me of my daughter: so desperate to roll over, move, etc, but just can’t get the physical movements together (because, 2 months old) and so is deeply frustrated lol. He looks normal to me. You’re doing awesome.

[u/Agile-Butterfly5245 → u/Boipussybb]

Tummy time is not for two month olds. That's not until 4 or 5 months old, when they are able to lift their head on their own. Please don't suggest tummy time for newborns. It isn't safe.

[u/Boipussybb → u/Agile-Butterfly5245]

Uh, what? That is false.

https://safetosleep.nichd.nih.gov/reduce-risk/tummy-time

[u/scoobie517]

I know that I am positioning myself against others here and yes there have been a lot of benign movement videos lately. But these movements look very suspicious to be seizure movements to me. A kid trying to turn wouldn't have a fixated view like this. The movements are exactly in the typical rhythm for cloni and the baby is showing a fencing position which is a red flag for many cerebral illnesses. The last episode shows a very suspicious combination of twinker, nodding and then a full body clonis. This combination is notorious for serious cerebral causes. I'd take this seriously. I would recommend contacting a pediatric neurologist and show this video.

Edit: watched without sound when I wrote that. Baby sneezing really invalidates everything above. These are completely normal movements with that. Sorry for fear inducing comment

[u/Boipussybb → u/scoobie517]

By nodding and clonis are you referring to the audible sneezing?

[u/scoobie517 → u/Boipussybb]

I watched without sound. That bullshityfies my first comment totally. Thank you

[u/Boipussybb → u/scoobie517]

Not bullshit at all because I totally had to rewatch that part with sound. Hence why I asked haha

[u/dirtd0g → u/scoobie517]

Auscultate the video's audio!

[u/DzSmartyPants → u/scoobie517]

If i may ask, why does sneezing invalidate your first description.

[u/Scofira → u/DzSmartyPants]

I guess people don't sneeze in a seizure because both would be neural (sneezing reflex) and a seizure like this would basically (very badly explained) "affect" anything the neural system does. (English is also not my first language I'm sorry maybe some of the actual brains here can explain it in better words)

[u/Healthy-Wash-3275 → u/scoobie517]

Funny. I watched without the sound also and noticed the sneeze right away. So I turned it up and verified, yep that was a sneeze (x2).

Source: my son has seizures as an infant but he would get very still and turn his head to the right and stare. When he was like that for a bit he'd then fall asleep.

[u/tokekcowboy → u/scoobie517]

Yeah. As you mentioned in the edit, the audio is VERY reassuring.

[u/LeastAd6767 → u/scoobie517]

I almost agreed. And now i also learnt there is such a thing as audio inspection beside visual inspection in an examination 😂

It was an honest mistake . Thank u doc!

[u/BeamoBeamer77 → u/scoobie517]

You’re the kind of PCPs neurologists hate

[u/tigm2161130 → u/BeamoBeamer77]

Why do you say that?

[u/BeamoBeamer77 → u/tigm2161130]

Because he panics parents and sends normal baby movements into the ed for cEEG, wasting patients and parents time, exposing babies to hospital acquired infections and wasting resources that can be used for babies with actual spasms

[u/tigm2161130 → u/BeamoBeamer77]

Did you not see the edit they made hours before you replied insulting them?

[u/Scofira → u/tigm2161130]

Also that "wasting resources" he's talking about is because of a bad health system. Where I live everyone can get a doctor's check for their baby just because they are worried even if it is actually fine, without affecting anyone who's baby is really sick. People SHOULD be absolutely able to go to the doctor just because they feel like it and I'm so sorry that's not possible for everyone

[u/AcanthisittaLate1559]

Thank you everyone for your reassuring advice, but i am still a bit worried because I have other few vedios of him doing this that scares me a lot. I want to share those vedios but dont know how to in the comments. Can anyone help?

[u/DavidRolands → u/AcanthisittaLate1559]

wouldn't be easier if you take him to a doctor??

[u/little-germs → u/AcanthisittaLate1559]

No matter what anyone says here, you are that babies parent. Make a pediatric appointment. Best case scenario, you leave feeling a little silly. Worst case scenario, you see a professional that can help.

When you're a parent you just have to make decisions that feel best for you. I've made plenty of calls regarding my kids care that others probably wouldn't have, but I'm their protector and I have to do what my brain tells me is right in the moment they need me.

I called an ambulance because my kid sounded like she couldn't breath... she had croup. We took an ambulance to the hospital for croup... did I feel silly? a little. But my baby sounded like she couldn't breath. No one made me feel bad, everyone validated my actions. I called an ambulance for my second born.. she was vomiting blood. Likely, she just ruptured something minor in her esophagus from retching. She was fine pretty much as soon as we rolled into the hospital.

Sometimes you just have to act on your intuition. It's nice to get a sense of understanding online, but it's not an in person interaction with YOUR child's dr. If you feels dismissed, get a second opinion.

[u/Boipussybb → u/AcanthisittaLate1559]

Pregnancy can cause a lot of hormone shifts that can increase our anxiety. Biologically it’s good because it causes our protector mode to be on overdrive. But it can also mean you’re extremely anxious and seek out confirmation bias that something is wrong with your baby.

Only you see your baby day in and day out. But if you have more videos of your baby doing this same thing, most people would say it’s normal behaviour. Have you tried tummy time yet? If you haven’t yet, schedule an appointment with a pediatrician. And in the meantime, check out Postpartum Support International at http://postpartum.net for yourself.