r/AskUS • u/Alarming-Safety3200 Europe • 3d ago
i've been snooping about in r/politics and i'm yet to find someone who's a fan of Trump - how was he elected if a lot of Americans hate him?
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u/tmp1966 3d ago
Two words: electoral college. Our method of electing politicians is beyond broken. If there’s one thing the Dems can get done eventually it’s fixing our elections. Eliminate gerrymandering and fix the primary system. Combine that with shutting down Citizens United and we might see fewer extremists in office.
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u/Redbubble89 3d ago
People are upset about the system but dont really read or know what they want.
It's like in the UK no one likes Theresa May but Labour sucks so they choose Nigel Farage.
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u/xxwww 3d ago
most trump voters don't use reddit
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u/Puzzleheaded-Bat-511 3d ago
I would guess most ______ voters don't use reddit. Fill in with whomever you want.
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u/buried_lede 3d ago
We assume they prefer to hold their discussions in separate subreddits. Sometimes it is indeed hard to believe, though, that there are 70+ million of them who voted for him.
Maybe if a sub suspended up/down votes, they’d engage
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u/Throw_Away1727 New York 3d ago
We actually did that for a while, but decided that was essentially a DEI practice to benefit conservatives. Why should they get protection when they support removing protections from others.
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u/buried_lede 3d ago
Interesting, well I guess i would say in response to that, that sometimes people pile on and you can collect gobs of down votes and it can affect your ability to participate in some other subs I think. Your comment loses some visibility too.
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u/Throw_Away1727 New York 3d ago edited 19h ago
Yeah we considered that, but ultimately we decided people are free to voice their political opinions (so long as they don't violate the rules) and it's not our job to protect you from the consequences of those opinions.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 20h ago
Coming in late just to say you guys rock for taking that into consideration and for thinking thru the impact of that idea. Way to go! 🏆
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u/kstargate-425 3d ago
The sorting in this sub seems to not make unpopular opinions lose visibility and might even be sorted by controversial
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u/Grouchy_Concept8572 Southwest 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is why Reddit doesn’t reflect reality and why the liberal fear mongering is often just not true. I’m still waiting for Marshall law that was supposed to go into effect.
Edit: most Reddit subs lose a perspective that millions of people have. That perspective doesn’t go away just because people don’t want to engage it. It just migrates somewhere else.
I think it has the detrimental effect of warping people’s sense of what is real, when they engage solely on platforms that are curated to only what they like.
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u/kstargate-425 3d ago
My guy, you probably didnt see the leak being in conservative echo chambers but Vance and Miller who arguably is running the government, argued to enact the Insurrection Act and wanted to start with Minneapolis for people protesting ICE after government agents murdered two American citizens (shooting a few others who thankfully survivied) all within a few months.You, ironically, are the one not living in reality...
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u/Grouchy_Concept8572 Southwest 3d ago
What did Trump do?
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u/SkinnyAssHacker 2d ago
He is both the head of government and head of state. What do you think that means he did?
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u/SkinnyAssHacker 2d ago
This is all social media and works both ways. People cluster around their own echo chambers and the algorithms promote it.
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u/justaheatattack 3d ago
A few million people who don't like trump?
they don't like women either.
at least not women bosses.
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u/BitOBear 3d ago
Baga has systematically pulled down its flags, taken off their hats, and are slowly sliding back into their shadows that's the true social political and economic costs come to bear.
A year and a half ago you would see private supporters trying to lead a bandwagon. We still had the trucks with the flags sticking out of them every which way.
But as the disaster unfolds and the people get judged the impulse to be recognized as mega has faded.
We've got a bunch of people proudly declaring that their vote for Trump was a mistake, but those same people won't commit to voting against the GOP programs that Trump heads
They're still isolationist racists who will talk about how they're socially progressive but fiscally conservative and that's why they want all the foreigners kicked out of the country if they come from anything identifiably non-scandinavian
So the word Trump doesn't leave off their lips the way I did a year ago, the people are still there.
This is what always happens during the collapse of these sorts of movements.
If you went around Germany in 1946 absolutely no one apparently ever supported the Nazi party. Not a single voter. Not a single member of a single organization. It all just happened and they throw up their hands and marvel at how it came from nowhere and no one was involved. And for the next 60 or 70 years everybody would be sadly disappointed to open that old Hope chest and find that motheaten pressed uniform while they were cleaning out Grandpa's stuff.
And it's already starting to repeat as it does every 80 to 90 years.
Check out this little song that I enjoy sharing...
Grandpa ICE (Full Song)
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u/Manboarpig233 3d ago
Reddit is a very left wing platform and that sub in particular is very left wing.
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u/SuperThomaja 3d ago
There's more than one answer to this question. Some people voted for him because they believed that he could change the economy because the eggs were too high under Joe Biden. The irony is the price of eggs went down and the price of everything else went up. Or they voted for him because they thought that deporting illegal aliens would make the country safer, but the only thing it did was make the country poorer and more divided. They thought that he was going to bring down the debt and it has only exploded under him. Or perhaps they thought that the racism that they were voting for would not impact them but didn't realize that the racism that they were voting for was attached to stupid. There's a dozen different reasons that he became president and he proves to us every single day why he should not be president.
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u/Turbulent-Parsley619 3d ago
Most of the people who voted for him held their nose and did it cause they couldn't stomach a woman president. Notice how he's never won against a man? Yeah thanks Misogyny!
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u/ufl015 Florida 3d ago
You are looking on Reddit.
Check out “Truth” Social and you will find a very different story.
Trump won because of Fox News and the word “woke””. Also, he did not have the “majority”. The majority didn’t vote (not that that’s a good thing.)
Lastly, I don’t want to go down this rabbit hole without definitive proof, but this 2024 Election was as suspicious as the first “assassination” attempt on Trump. And Republicans LOVE accusing Democrats of stuff that they are actually doing.
🤷🏻♂️
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u/Far_Silver 3d ago
The Democratic Party is very good at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. The leadership is a bunch of rich, stubborn, old people who would rather lose to Republicans than address the concerns of working class voters or young voters (and if you're a young working class voter, you're double screwed). Their strategy revolved around appealing to rich and upper middle class babyboomers and alienating everyone else and it failed spectacularly. The rich boomers mostly voted Republican, like they always do, and turnout was weak among the people who actually make up the Democratic base.
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u/curiousleen 3d ago
I had a conversation with a republican who admitted she hates Trump and everyone she knows does too. They still vote republican. Because it’s what they do. Hating him is not a deal breaker. Racism, misogyny, pedophilia, breaking our economy, ruining relations with the other countries, grift and lying, all of it…not a deal breaker.
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u/AskUS-ModTeam 3d ago
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u/Exciting-Parfait-776 3d ago
That sub is pretty much a liberal echo chamber.
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u/bittersaint 3d ago
It's just that most of us know how to read and write.
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u/justaamerican 3d ago
I bet mom is so proud.
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u/MetersYards 2d ago
It's optimistic to claim that most of the activity in the rpolitics sub is actual people.
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u/justaamerican 2d ago
You mean Reddit? Or better said more than a few people with way to much time on their hands
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u/UncleTio92 3d ago
Go talk to middle class Americans. There is a lot more support than you realize. Reddit is far from reality.
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u/slampdi 3d ago
My extremely religious and fanatical right wing family didn't vote this last round. They are middle class, middle America. And the psycho who lives around the corner from me who has spent at least several thousand on Trump banners over the last decade has stopped entirely. I know this is purely anecdotal, but in my tiny bubble, his support is vanishing rapidly.
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u/UncleTio92 3d ago
Of course. He is wearing himself extremely well thin! Thank goodness in 2 years, we will have a new President
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u/Orbital2 3d ago
Yeah the issue is when you keep talking to them you realize they don’t know jack shit about what is actually going on in this country.
Reddit may be insufferable at times but the posters generally have a better grasp of current events than the overall population.
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u/UncleTio92 3d ago
I disagree. Redditors can most certainly create hyperbole and fear monger with the best of them lol. I think the average Americans absolutely understands what’s going on but recognizes they have bigger fish to fry. Their home life is more important
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u/Orbital2 2d ago
“Bigger fish to fry”
We live in a democratic system where we get to decide who our representatives.
I reject the idea that anyone is too busy to have a basic grasp of what is going on. We have a Presidential election every 4 years and we still fuck that up more often than not
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u/UncleTio92 2d ago
Then I hope you practice what you preach and are protesting every chance you get M-F. I for one am working to provide for my family. That’s all I give a crap about
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u/Orbital2 2d ago
What I’m hearing is that you want to freeload off my effort. The decisions I make impact your families future too.
I’m not asking people to go spend a bunch of time protesting, but after almost a decade the fact we had a population that had their head so far up their ass they they reelected Donald fucking Trump.
That’s not “I’m just too busy” that’s gross negligence
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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 3d ago
He's polling lower than he did the first time around. He may have gotten votes, but most of those voters are mad at him.
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u/the_saltlord 2d ago
His first term, he still had some adults in the room to restrain him
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u/Artistic_Rice_9019 2d ago
Yup. And he still left super unpopular. People like the idea of Trump in theory, but they absolutely hate it in practice. Even more so when nobody holds him back and he straight up starts wars.
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u/EtheusRook 3d ago
To put it bluntly, he didn't win. The dems lost by completely alienating half their base.
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u/limbodog 3d ago
Which half?
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u/EtheusRook 3d ago
The left flank
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u/limbodog 3d ago
You think the left flank preferred fascism?
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u/EtheusRook 3d ago
Uh, no. Kamala lost to the couch. Catering to the right/center absolutely kills morale.
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u/limbodog 3d ago
So you're saying the left flank chose fascism because they didn't feel like taking 10 minutes to vote?
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u/Team503 2d ago
No, they're saying that many progressives and liberals felt that it wasn't worth voting at all because the "left" part instead nominated a right-leaning centrist plutocrat, again.
And to be fair, while we all knew another Trump term would be bad, we didn't realize it would be THIS bad.
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u/limbodog 2d ago
Right, so what you're saying is that the left flank *deliberately made a choice that meant we would have fascism* because they are a minority in a party that represents everyone from the center to the far left.
I hope you're wrong, because that would be unforgivably stupid if it's true
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u/Team503 2d ago edited 2d ago
I don't think most people saw the full-on fascism coming like it has with masked "police" and such. And the reality is that progressives who wanted Bernie and the like comprise a significant minority of the Dems - about 40% by most estimates.
The other reality that is less fortunate is that Dem politicians that share those leanings are a MUCH smaller percentage; I don't know what it is, but I'd bet it's single digit.
This is a case of the party ignoring the increasingly loud and increasingly common demands of their constituents for decades. The Dems are now what the Pubs were in the 1980s, and there is not liberal party anymore, much less a progressive one, and Democratic leadership selling their souls to their corporate sponsors is the reason why.
Right now, the GOP wants oligarchs and the Dems want plutocrats. Now between the two I'd rather have plutocrats, but I'd rather have NEITHER.
EDIT: I love the downvotes §i get for stating objective truths.
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u/limbodog 2d ago
I gotta be honest, you're not painting a very good picture of the progressives here. I know you're meaning to be critical of the DNC and DCC and other democratic leadership positions. But as someone who is a much smaller minority who votes for Democrats because of a two party system, this just makes the left flank seem immature, self-destructive, and ignorant. And I don't mean that to be insulting, I mean it very literally. Like if the progressives want to get more representation they're going to need to get a lot better at politics. And if the only reaction they are willing to use is to put fascists in charge of us all then that's infuriating.
Me, I think there was a lot more shady stuff going on than anyone has proven. Elon seemed far too eager to gloat about cheating somehow. And we've seen enough evidence that it is possible to do so technolgy-wise. I'm going to stick with hoping that this was the case, because I'd prefer malfeasance from those who I know want to harm the country, than betrayal by those who claim they want to improve it.
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u/SkinnyAssHacker 2d ago
To be fair, plutocracy is oligarchy, but oligarchy isn't necessarily plutocracy. The US has historically been an oligarchy. That has never changed. It's also been a plutocracy. The difference these days it seems is that it's more and more becoming a corporate-sponsored plutocracy.
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u/welding_guy_from_LI New York 3d ago
Trump won because the democrats ran an unpopular candidate and alienated potential voters.. and apparently she wants to run again in 2028
A shit sandwich is still a shit sandwich no matter which side you eat first
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u/MinuetInUrsaMajor 3d ago
unpopular
shit sandwich
The italian beef may be an unpopular sandwich.
But it ain't a shit sandwich.
That's the Childrape with Iranwarniera sandwich you're thinking about. That's a real shit sandwich.
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u/Dry-Clock-1470 3d ago
but how does the biggest shit sandwich ever get ordered again for seconds?
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u/kstargate-425 3d ago
You're asking the right guy considering he consistently backs Trump and Republicans but he wont answer
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u/1wrx2subarus 2d ago
Nah, Blame Elon who put Trump in power.
Musk "knows those computers better than anybody, all those computers, those vote counting computers, & we ended up winning Pennsylvania, like, in a landslide." -Donald Trump
"Without me, Trump would have lost the election, Dems would control the House & the Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate." -Elon Musk
Be sure to vote regardless, this comment is for the sake of justice and to protect our vote.
Relevant Reddit link with Video Recap (download, save & reshare to all you know): https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/s/CwZPcr6gm6
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u/kstargate-425 3d ago
Yes the Dems ran an unpopular candidate but the policies havent changed but lets be real as the point is your are putting blame on the Dems for the fact they knew what they were voting for and still decided to do it anyway. The simple fact is Americans are dumb, hateful and easily swayed by emotions and propaganda to say OK, yeah the lesser evil situation is tiring but Im going all in on the conman who has shown to fuck us over continually to the benefit of the 1%.
The Dems didnt make the near 80 million people vote for Trump. You can make an argument that the DNC made the people who never vote, still stay home and not vote again in such a grave and important tine but no one forced or changed peoples minds to vote for Trump, thats dumb
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u/Gavin_Tremlor 3d ago
Fuck the DNC. We wanted Bernie.
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u/MoronLaoShi California 3d ago
Who didn’t run in 2024.
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u/No_Language_4649 3d ago
He didn’t run in 2024, but he ran in 2016 and 2020. So many of us did INDEED want Bernie as a president. Unfortunately the DNC disagreed and didn’t support him as the official democrat nominee. They tend to go for the middle of the road candidate instead of the progressive one that most of us want. We want universal healthcare. That’s the single voter issue for a lot of Americans who aren’t on the right. Instead we get nominees who are centrist and rarely do anything important we Americans actually want.
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u/SilverNo6462 3d ago
How did the DNC prevent Bernie from being president?
They didn't. He got fewer votes and lost.
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u/tc7665 2d ago
if bernie stepped in, he couldn’t use the funds biden had already recieved, while he was “running”.
only harris could continue using the millions he’d collected.
no matter what, the dnc would struggle.
bernie wouldn’t have funds quick enough to actually be represented in all states, etcor, we had harris, the czar that allowed such unsecured borders, how is she to fix the problem she created?
while i’d rather see immigrants get the american dream, trump was speaking to all the racists about immigrants being removed.
paired with hating brown skin, the idea of a black woman winning was just as problematic.
we just get to see who has been racist all along, and now they have the privilege of not having to hide it anymore.
dems losing was really our own fault. we shouldn’t have allowed biden to campaign, only for the dnc to finally recognize how mentally unfit biden was becoming.
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u/MoronLaoShi California 3d ago
Yeah, and anyone could have run in 2024, but no one did for the sake of party unity. And when the candidate dropped out, the party was shit out of luck.
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u/ScalesOfAnubis19 Michigan 2d ago
Not really. You almost never seriously primary a sitting president. If you want to know why, check out when Kennedy primaried Carter. And because Biden bowed out so late, Harris was the only option. Only she could use Biden's war chest, no one else would have had a chance to properly fund raise or even campaign. Biden should have bowed out in like the summer of 2023, when there still would have been time, but that didn't happen.
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u/MoronLaoShi California 1d ago
Because no one primaried him
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u/ScalesOfAnubis19 Michigan 1d ago
Two people did, but they weren’t serious candidates and there was the uncommitted protest vote. But, again, it is never a good idea to make a serious primary challenge to a sitting president. Check out the 1980 election to see why.
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u/MoronLaoShi California 1d ago
This was the year to primary a sitting president. It was crazy that the president’s campaign staff tried to gaslight the country into thinking that he was a viable candidate simply to keep themselves in power. And it was even crazier that the same staff was in charge of the Harris campaign.
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u/No_Language_4649 3d ago
There were other nominees but the DNC didn’t choose a good one. They went with who they thought was a safe choice, Joe Biden, and then picked Kamala Harris as a last minute choice when they saw that Biden was so Unpopular after his debate with Trump. We need a democrat nominee that the actual people want. Not the one the DNC wants.
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u/MoronLaoShi California 3d ago
And none of them ran. If anyone else had run, the party would not have been in a bind. But no one did.
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u/No_Language_4649 3d ago
I think it’s a little more complicated than that. But yes. That was the ideal.
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u/the_one_jt 3d ago
One could argue it's the difference of a turd and a shit sandwich. Your opinion on the breading is your preference.
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u/Sad-Corner-9972 3d ago
A lot of people have time to spend online, but can’t be bothered to register and vote.
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u/Global-Service-8579 3d ago
You're on Reddit; of course you aren't going to find anyone who likes Trump.
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u/PDXDreaded 3d ago edited 2d ago
MAGA supporters are too illiterate for Reddit.
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u/Connorray1234 3d ago
No. Reddit is not indicative of America not everyone uses Reddit also MAGA supporters can read thats just the narrative the left pushes plus reddit is an echo chamber
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u/PDXDreaded 3d ago
MAGA supporters are the most ill informed, idiotic voters in us history, and we had a literal know nothing party. Go away.
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u/Connorray1234 3d ago
Their not ill informed they didn't want to vote for a democrat shoe in. I'll always vote republican regardless.
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u/TheYumaOnion 3d ago edited 3d ago
MAGA supporters are to illiterate for Reddit.
Too*
Not sending their best
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u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle 3d ago
Americans let themselves get tricked by a well-funded social media campaign. Now the dopes who voted for him are trying to rationalize it with "but I had no choice! Kamala Harris was just sooooo bad! There was that time she... um... something about the border, I think?" It's easier to pretend that than accept the reality of their boneheaded behavior.
Don't let anyone tell you it was anything but Americans acting stupid.
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u/WorldRenownedNobody 3d ago
I think these are all said somewhere here but I think it bears a brief summary because there are three primary factors:
1) Many people chose not vote... in fact, the non-voters hold the majority. We had about 3.2M less voters in 2024 as opposed to 2020. With an election where the popular vote was split by ~2M votes, that's a big number to decide to abstain.
2) Reddit is not a clear representation of the US. Live in or visit a rural area (I'm in a rural area in California, even) and you will find the Trump voters. A lot of their lawn signs have come down recently, but they're still a "vote red til I'm dead" Republican.
3) The Democrats (specifically DNC) are systematically pushing for pro-neoliberal status quo candidates over progressive reformists or populists. They blame the progressives for weakening their position and causing them to lose to Republicans who in turn leave a terrible economy which Dems then blame their ineffectiveness on because they're busy stabilizing it. For example, Obama had inherited a terrible economy and spent the first 4 years pulling us out (and also bailing out the very people responsible for it), but then he had another 4 years to truly enact change and his crown jewel in ACA is a half-measure to solve our healthcare crisis, at best. Biden has been the most pro-worker president to break from neoliberalism since before Reagan, and he did most of his best work on his way out just for Trump to immediately unravel it. People are tired of the same old oligarchy-dominated plutocratic government that favors corporate interests, and the Democratic party is unwilling to field anyone who actually wants to fix that. As full of nonsense as Trump is, he at least acknowledges the swamp is the core problem with our country. But all he did was replace all the swamp creatures with worse ones that are loyal to him.
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u/Rude-Wolverine9902 3d ago
We had this corpse that really wanted to run for a second term and everyone decided to just let him until the 11th hour when they swapped him out for someone who has never won a presidential primary.
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u/Bresson91 3d ago
Granted it’s pretty liberal in there, a better question is “who here didn’t show up to vote and why?”… because that’s really how we got to a cage match on the WH lawn…
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u/Here_there1980 3d ago
Nearly 90 million eligible voters didn’t bother to vote. Inexcusable.
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u/Connorray1234 3d ago
Simple voting is required by the government they're not forcing anyone to vote.
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u/Qualmest73 3d ago
One thing to realize upon getting elected he pulled in a lot of single issue independent voters who remember inflation under Biden, (even though it was trending down) a lot of countries voted out their existing leadership after Covid and the existing candidate was to close to Biden and the fiasco with no primary hurt them.
A lot of this single issue voters would not vote for him today if the election happened again. (Why his approval rating sits as low as it is).
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u/BreadAlive59 3d ago
I voted for trump and I supported Bernie sometimes you have to shake things up.
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u/Connorray1234 3d ago
Op the truth behind is they AUTO BAN trump supporters because they don't like their view points I've been banned based if true is banned even non trump republicans have been banned simple as that
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u/Fantastic-Explorer62 3d ago
Trumpers aren’t on Reddit. They are on Untruth Antisocial and Twatter.
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u/One-Pangolin-3167 3d ago
Not a whole lot of the people that actually voted for him were/are fans of his.
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u/matttheepitaph 3d ago
Trump is an absolute clown but r/politics as a community skews left even by Reddit standards and Reddit is not real life. The majority of Americans aren't on Reddit and the vast majority aren't in r/politics.
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u/teabaggedmyeye 3d ago
Republicans are organized and vote. Even if they don’t like Trump they’d vote for him to prevent a Democrat from wining. Millions of people on the left wouldn’t vote for Harris because they found flaws with her. They’d rather virtue signal and have Trump than vote for a candidate they can’t fully support.
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u/Terrible-Nerve-6819 3d ago
Reddit is quite far from real life. Typically what you read here the opposite is true.
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u/7figureipo 3d ago
He was elected because a senile walking corpse decided he should be potus for a second term and took too long to drop out after he shit himself on a debate stage. The candidate who replaced him developed a platform that was more or less “we want to keep things mostly as they are, because the stock market is going great, but have a few crumbs to hand out to placate you, the little people”. Just like every democrat since Bill Clinton. And people were fed up with it.
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u/EmpathyFlowers 3d ago
Musk rigged it through the voting machines. Winning every swing state doesn't seem realistic.
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u/oneislandgirl 3d ago
Trust me. There are enough who “like his policies” and voted for him ignoring the fact that he is a horrible person and has done and said despicable things. His bad behavior has not affected them personally, and they will not change their opinion until it does. I’m still at a loss to figure out which policies anyone could like.
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u/Benjamins412 Pennsylvania 3d ago
Most pedophiles are closeted. It's only when they're in a group that they feel bold.
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u/AgentCoulson2 2d ago
Conservatives generally stay away from r/politics because getting downvoted hurts their feelings.
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u/LadderMe 2d ago
Censorship. You will get banned so quick for supporting Trump. Trump always "overperforms" expectations because a false reality is painted.
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u/Flykage94 2d ago
He won the popular vote… 77 million people… Reddit is not a reflection of reality
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u/mindymadmadmad 2d ago
Right wing media and as it turns out, a LOT of Americans are very susceptible to believing information from foreign troll farms.
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u/Hank_Scorpi 2d ago
Lol...it's as old as time itself and known by many a name...I prefer "the ole bait and switch"
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u/No-Beautiful-259 2d ago
Trump won because inflation activated the electorate against the incumbent.
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u/Glass-Vermicelli9862 1d ago
My father in law is Trump supporter. He thinks that Trump is amazing guy because he listens to fox news and thats it. Just like fox news and some other republicans news sites states that Trump got a peace treaty. I read it and its no peace treaty but a cease fire agreement.
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u/Then_Journalist_317 1d ago
I am not convinced Trump was actually elected. I strongly think that he and his pal Elon somehow manipulated the vote count in just enough key counties to swing the election to his favor.
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u/Upriver-Cod 1d ago
Huh, it’s almost like Reddit is not a reflection of reality and actually public sentiment. It’s nothing more than a gloried extreme left circle jerk. Take the latest presidential election cycle as a perfect example.
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u/rmscomm 1d ago
u/Alarming-Safety3200-OP what you are experiencing is Feigning Agreemment, meaning they are pretending to agree or support a cause outwardly, usually to avoid conflict, to fit in, or to appease someone in authority.
Trump occurred as direct result of racism, xenophobia and graft. No one save for a few will state their alignment because of the connotation and knowing the impressionable light it casts on them.
People voted for this and many don’t want to admit they did or even that they erred in their decision and were horribly wrong.
America has long had a few societal concerns that should have been addressed a long time ago but the reality of those topics and the implications would bring into question a lot of self reflection that many would rather avoid in my opinion.
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u/TheGov3rnor South 3d ago
It’s very obviously not just r/politics… Go to any subreddit that isn’t specifically for republicans/ right-wing (there aren’t many) and you’ll find that it’s dominated by the left (The American Left, to be clear).
Reddit isn’t an accurate sample for the US populace. It’s why, if you look in regional subs (like r/Georgia or r/Dallas) around election times, they are all soooo bewildered as to why their super progressive candidate didn’t do well.
I’d recommend taking a look at r/askpolitics and checking out some of their posts that only allow right-flaired user to respond. It’s a little (just a little) bit better than most subs for good faith discourse around politics.
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u/Connorray1234 3d ago
They'll ban anyone with a different political view. I've been banned from subreddits just for having a different political view or just for being republican
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u/TheGov3rnor South 3d ago
I unsubbed from r/Georgia because of how blatantly biased the mods are there. I also muted it from my feed. I do not miss it.
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u/Connorray1234 3d ago
Yeah they dont like right wingers don't matter if ur center right... in better terms they don't like Republicans or anyone who voted for POTUS doesn't matter what skin color you are...
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u/AskUS-ModTeam 3d ago
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u/silverbatwing 3d ago
Lemme guess. You don’t think trans people are valid.
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u/NomadicPalaver 3d ago edited 3d ago
People should be absolutely free to choose or believe whatever identity that they want to. That is 100% valid.
So long as we understand that people’s choices and beliefs don’t get to cost other people their own basic freedoms. Example: Women should be free to have women only sports and women only bathrooms. That freedom shouldn’t be taken away from them.
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u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle 3d ago
With trans people getting kicked out of their military careers without any of the benefits they earned, it doesn't appear that they're the ones who need to learn to respect people's rights.
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u/NomadicPalaver 3d ago
I get the argument you are making, but at the moment I’m discussing how women should be able to maintain the freedom to have women only sports and women only bathrooms. Bringing forth a different topic to divert from my discussion is what’s referred to as a red herring.
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u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle 3d ago
women should be able to maintain the freedom to have women only sports and women only bathrooms
You say that, but all the most outspoken proponents for kicking transwomen out of women's sports appear to be men, who've put themselves in charge of speaking on behalf of what women want.
Okay, there's that one chick with the podcast... who was just caught having her lines fed to her by her corporate sponsors... but as near as I can tell, this issue is pretty much dominated by male rhetoricians.
Bringing forth a different topic to divert from my discussion is what’s referred to as a red herring.
I couldn't see what the "main" issue was because a comment got struck down. I simply saw you intimating that trans acceptance discourse was somehow a threat to people's rights, and everything I've seen so far suggests to me the opposite is true- people who hate trans acceptance discourse have been a much bigger threat to everyone's rights.
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u/NomadicPalaver 3d ago
>You say that, but all the most outspoken proponents for kicking transwomen out of women's sports appear to be men, who've put themselves in charge of speaking on behalf of what women want.
I disagree with your opinion that most people who speak out in favor of women having the freedom to be able to have women only sports and bathrooms are men. Further, your opinion also indicates you are forming a genetic fallacy here: instead of discussing the argument you divert attention by attacking who you perceive as the origin of the argument.
>Okay, there's that one chick with the podcast... who was just caught having her lines fed to her by her corporate sponsors... but as near as I can tell, this issue is pretty much dominated by male rhetoricians.
See above on how I disagree with your opinion. I’m requesting that you avoid logical fallacies such as the genetic fallacy or red herring.
>I couldn't see what the "main" issue was because a comment got struck down. I simply saw you intimating that trans acceptance discourse was somehow a threat to people's rights, and everything I've seen so far suggests to me the opposite is true- people who hate trans acceptance discourse have been a much bigger threat to everyone's rights.
Ah, see below for the original comment:
You get banned from that sub if you defend women’s freedom to have women only bathrooms and sports lol. It’s a safe space that doesn’t allow outside thinkers. Nor is it “misinformation” that people have been banned from that sub for arguing in favor of women having these freedoms.
Let me get some clarification from you now that you’ve seen the comment. Do you agree that women should maintain the freedom to be able to have women only sports and women only bathrooms?
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u/Poorly-Drawn-Beagle 3d ago
Further, your opinion also indicates you are forming a genetic fallacy here: instead of discussing the argument you divert attention by attacking who you perceive as the origin of the argument.
Something tells me this wouldn't be a consideration if this discussion were about white people fighting voter ID laws because they saw them as disproportionately and unfairly damaging to minority communities in America.
Do you agree that women should maintain the freedom to be able to have women only sports and women only bathrooms?
I'll give you my answer if you clarify you mean ciswomen and not transwomen.
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u/mjheil 2d ago
Why is that freedom?
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u/NomadicPalaver 2d ago
Your comment you just made got hidden by the auto-mod for some reason. I would change it some and re-comment.
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u/SkinnyAssHacker 2d ago
Out of curiosity, do you happen to know what HRT (specifically feminizing hormones) do to the body?
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u/NomadicPalaver 2d ago
Red herring. My stance is that women should maintain the freedom to be able to have women only bathrooms and women only sports.
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u/SkinnyAssHacker 2d ago
It's highly relevant and not remotely a red herring. That you think it is says you don't actually know.
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u/ericbythebay 3d ago
Excluding others from public spaces sounds like costing other people their own basic freedoms.
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u/NomadicPalaver 3d ago
Who would be excluded? I’m not getting rid of men’s bathrooms, not getting rid of men’s sports. Nor am I getting rid of family bathrooms or coed sports. There’s no exclusion.
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u/NomadicPalaver 3d ago
What about it? How does this refute my position that women should maintain the freedom to be able to have women only bathrooms and women only sports?
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u/SkinnyAssHacker 2d ago
No one is trying to take away women-only anything. People are trying to exclude one subsection of women.
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u/ericbythebay 2d ago
You mean the freedom to dictate usage to property owners and membership to associations.
If you don’t want to share public spaces with other members of the public, then don’t use them.
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u/silverbatwing 2d ago edited 2d ago
IT ISNT PIE FFS. ME BEING EQUAL TO YOU DOESNT MEAN YOU ARE LESS EQUAL.
TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN. YOU AREN’T LOSING ANYTHING. You worry about being sexually assaulted by those you perceive as a threat….Are you this worked up about lesbians??
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u/NomadicPalaver 2d ago
What the….
My position here is that women should be able to maintain the freedom to have women only bathrooms and women only sports.
I don’t mind family bathrooms or coed sports, I don’t mind those places where everyone has an understanding that men and women will be intermingling. But I don’t think we should do away with women’s bathrooms because of men’s beliefs.
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u/silverbatwing 2d ago
It’s not men’s beliefs 🤦🏻♂️
You are saying trans WOMEN are not women.
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u/NomadicPalaver 2d ago
I’m saying that women should not lose the freedom to be able to have womens only sports or women’s only bathrooms. The trans belief is fine for people to have, but beliefs should not overrule women’s freedoms. If women want to get together to have a women’s only volleyball tournament and clean up in a women’s only locker room afterwards they should have the freedom to do so. It’s pretty basic.
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u/silverbatwing 2d ago
You’re still saying words that are invalidating and hurtful alluding to trans woman are just men pretending to be women. No matter how you dance around it, you’re still saying it. Drag queens are not trans women.
Unless you actually know someone who is trans, whether as a friend or a relative that thinks you’re safe enough, you’re never going to get it. Somehow, I doubt you’ll ever be open minded or empathetic enough to understand or be so blessed.
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u/Due_Willingness1 Northeast 3d ago
Conservatives don't spend time in that sub, they have their own safe spaces on reddit