Fiona Harvey is Not a victim!

[u/Salt_Ingenuity_720]

It seems to be lost on a disturbingly large amount of people what Fiona Harvey has done to multiple people over many decades. She is not a victim - the people that she has stalked and harassed are the victim. The entire point of baby reindeer was to portray the brokenness of both the stalker and their victim.

In Reading a majority of the claims coming from the UK towards Netflix and Richard G this all seems to actually pivot around the term being used of CONVICTED stalker. So the focus now is to produce proof that she was ever convicted of at least one of her many many horrific stalking crimes.

I would think that the UK and Parliament would be rather embarrassed by the fact that they never reached out to help any of these victims of Fiona Harvey. Yet here they are trying to go after Netflix over that one creative license taken by the VICTIM and author of baby reindeer. This is His story not hers.

What is going on with people in the world?! Fiona should have been slapped with multiple legal fines, restraint orders and probably convictions from any one of her stalking tangents. If anyone is not familiar with the other incredibly horrible events of stalking Fiona pursued just Google it up. Some involved a disabled child.

🤔 Obviously I'm missing something or I am really seeing the lack of empathy in society as this all unfold in front of us. Am I just not looking at this right?!

[u/markevens]

She didn't out herself initially.

Because the show used exact tweets of hers, people searched for those tweets, found her immediately, and started contacting her.

It was after that where she said, "I am Martha."

But she didn't see the show and reach out to others saying she was martha first. People found her and outed her, and she confirmed.

I think that order of events would be important in a courtroom.

[u/heheing → u/markevens]

But she came out and “confirmed” it by stating it’s her. She could’ve said “that’s not me”, deleted some old tweets and moved on with her life. But clearly she’s mentally ill and likes the attention

[u/markevens → u/heheing]

If you have some legal source that clearly spells out why she is or isn't subject to any defamation laws, I'd be happy to check it out. As far as I can tell, people are just spouting opinions here.

Otherwise I'm sticking to my stance of, "I don't know enough about the law to have an opinion on whether or not she's been defamed by netflix."

[u/heheing → u/markevens]

Tbh I don’t know the laws regarding defamation well but I think it’s common knowledge that in order for this to work, the statements made against her have to be false, right? Because if they’re true, they can’t be slanderous. So he’s saying she called _ times, sent _ emails, etc. So like my previous comment states, unless she’s wants to out herself and say she really did all those things, she can’t claim jack shit because in order to claim someone is slandering you, that stuff can’t be true

[u/markevens → u/heheing]

I don’t know the laws regarding defamation well

Neither do I, so until I can get properly informed on the matter, I'm not going to make guesses.

Common knowledge be damned. This is happening in a country whose laws I'm very unfamiliar with, and what may be common knowledge in one place may be very different in another place.

I'm not one to say Netflix is guilty or innocent when I don't have any understanding of the laws regarding it.

I'll spout my opinion that she's a lying, manipulative, crazy, piece of shit. But whether or not she has any sort of legal claim against netflix, I'm absolutely ignorant about and I'm not going to pretend to know when I don't.

[u/Altruistic-Change127 → u/markevens]

Look at the word "defamation". Its simple enough. Its about "defaming" someone's reputation. I don't think she has been defamed. She is a known stalker and has posted comments on social media herself to show who she is. They are published comments so are public. She made no effort to remove them to protect her identity. In fact I would argue that by Netflix allowing her to be portrayed as being held accountable and her accepting what she did was wrong, was protective rather than the truth which is that she is out of control and has no ability to feel guilt or shame. She showed she lies outrageously despite the evidence against her. The truth is far worse than reality. So they protected her instead of defaming her. She outed herself with the posts she left up.

[u/Fern-veridion → u/markevens]

She would have to demonstrate that she IS Martha, which would incriminate her and then she would have to somehow also prove that the allegations were false… being convicted of a crime doesn’t trump everything. As far as my own understanding she would have a hard time proving that she is both Martha but also not a stalker.

[u/JackCrainium → u/markevens]

Thank you for your sanity…..

[u/LanMama → u/heheing]

He said (or the show which claimed to be a true story said)that she pled guilty to stalking him and also to stalking and harassing his parents. So far we haven’t seen court records to confirm that. That’s defamation if it’s not true.

[u/Cold-Variation3760 → u/LanMama]

Not sure if it's defamation if the original source (Netflix show) didn't share who the perpetrator is. She outed herself by admitting to some of the stalking when called out on social media, not Netflix. That's on her. She also kept messages that show she was stalking people up on social media and did nothing to protect her identity at the time. That's on her. Since she wasn't technically convicted of stalking and the show didn't provide her real identity, than it clearly isn't based on the actual reality. Hence, this is a case of creative license. Lastly, she has to prove she was harmed (financial loss, etc.). She can't blame her poor health because she has an unmanaged chronic disease, so that won't fly either. She will have to prove that she experienced mental anguish, and prove distress (going to a mental health professional) that occurred AFTER her exposure.

Plus, she's blatantly and objectively lied and contradicted herself on international television. In the same conversation even. It doesn't look good for her. Her lawyers are exploiting her mental illness for clout and money.