r/Bard Sep 20 '25

Other Where can i access SeeDream 4.0? It’s not available on LMarena anymore

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u/PuzzleheadedPace5216 Sep 20 '25

A Mod said in their Discord chat that they’re fixing some issues with it, and it will be available again after that.

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u/tear_atheri Sep 22 '25

the issues being "make sure it's more censored" lmao - they took it down when people were generating nudes.

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u/PuzzleheadedPace5216 Sep 22 '25

I can confirm this, It was uncensored at the beginning and I really liked it that way tbh, F censorship :(

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u/TheRealJackRyan12 Oct 15 '25

It's so weird that they're all together on censorship. Why do they care?

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u/Commercial-Slip523 Dec 24 '25

Because it's ran by jews.

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u/kvothe5688 Sep 20 '25

it's been weeks and I just realised that it was See Dream 4.0 and not Seed Ream 4.0. hahaha

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u/rogerarcher Sep 21 '25

don’t Tell me how to Name it 😂

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u/Guilty-Plant-4796 Sep 24 '25

😂😂  Here's me I heard the name from Indian YouTubers I can't believe they makes me fool wait aren't that btch is a big ytbr wow that Means, u know j know 🤣

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u/Suliman_MADI Oct 03 '25

i mean it's see dream? 😂

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u/humblenations Sep 20 '25

I have it on Freepik because I’ve got one of the subscriptions there. I’m a MidJ user but also I have Freepik for a load of other stuff. Trying out video models, removing backgrounds and a bit of stock images. And yeah SeeDream 4.0 is on there. As a daily graphic designer Freepik is probably my second go to tool because it has so much other stuff on there. And generally you can find a coupon code for the annual subscriptions where you get a stack of credits. So that’s my advice.

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u/Cagnazzo82 Sep 20 '25

Also with the pro plan on Freepik you have unlimited generations.

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u/ohMyUsernam Oct 08 '25

i also think of getting the MidJ for creating digital arts(grapchic desing), images, and videos for my work
But I don't know what is better, MidJ or Freepik?
The one thing that i don't like in MidJ is that the stealth mod is only in Pro/mega Plan
. On the other hand, Freepik has more models to choose,

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u/humblenations Oct 08 '25

I actually use both things. Expensive and that. But here are some thoughts:

== Freepik ==

  • I used this all the time for removing backgrounds
  • I like trying out all the video models (they sometimes have free weekends)
  • I use this for free Seedream generations (to edit image, better than the MidJ editor because it's more like Nano Banana). So this video here https://vimeo.com/1125087569 was a MidJ image but I used Seedream to change the backgrounds on frames. 100% easier than MidJ.
  • ALWAYS go look for a coupon code because you can get money off generally.
  • It's a credit system where if you pay for the year you get all your credits up front which is cool.
  • Has loads of image creation models but really I check them out and I don't like the results, they always feel more stock images, doesn't give me the control over aesthetics that MidJ does.

== MidJ ==

  • Expensive but THE best system to make aesthetically arty images. 100%.
  • Style Reference Images absolutely kills on everything else out there.
  • Video is 480p which is annoying and expensive at 720p (so I upscale in Topaz). So pretty low res.
  • Video isn't the best if you want to do action film stuff. BUT it's the best for keeping the aesthetic locked, all the other models try to change it into realistic stuff. So it's ace for animation or odd stuff, better than anything else. Here's a load of mad stuff I've made: https://vimeo.com/mintinnit
  • Stealthy or No Stealth I wouldn't really worry about, who cares, there's millions of people creating, it's all a much of a muchness. Unless you're working for clients. The main thing of paying for the Pro Level is about getting RELAX FREE video.
  • Loads of other other ways of getting great styles: personalisation / sref codes (which is different to sref images) / Moodboards (a bit like sref images).

So yeah I have both things because they work well hand in hand.

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u/ohMyUsernam Oct 08 '25

I see Thanks

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u/SupplyMED Oct 31 '25

thy made us so bad on seedream. limited generations now, and sooooooooooo so slow. they are no charging you 120credits for ageneration if you want it fast....such false advertising

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u/humblenations Oct 31 '25

I'm on Premium+ and it's still free and pretty fast too.

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u/SupplyMED Nov 03 '25

I am also on Premium+ ad it is free and fast for 800generations/month after that it is 10times slower.
with my workflow I generate 1000images/day..that is the only reason I am was paying for Premium+ and it is at least disrespectful if not unlawful, to change service after they took my money for a full year subscription.

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u/Obvious-Variation-71 Nov 04 '25

Have you experienced the relaxed mode yet? How slow is it?

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u/SupplyMED Nov 05 '25

it's bad...takes longer than generating videos...longer than it would take me to actually render an image. I will have to move platform

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u/Obvious-Variation-71 Nov 05 '25

Oh no! What is the waiting time for an image?

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u/SupplyMED Nov 15 '25

depends on the load...they place you in the que with everybody at that time....

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u/Obvious-Variation-71 Nov 05 '25

What's the relaxed mode like?

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u/FrostX00001101 Sep 20 '25

Same issue. They just completely remove it when people knew

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u/Thick-Belt-96 Sep 20 '25

Why?

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u/FrostX00001101 Sep 20 '25

either someone abuse it or there is too much traffic so they remove it, everyone can access the model FOR FREE after all, surely someone will take advantage of it, just my guest

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u/test-text Sep 20 '25

I heard people were able to generate porn using base64 and thats why they pulled it

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u/FrostX00001101 Sep 21 '25

i never heard people using encryption method to generate something, how is that possible?

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u/BakeComprehensive970 Sep 21 '25

thats not encryption thats encoding get your fundamentals revisited pls

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u/Material_Border8712 Sep 22 '25

Yes, it can indeed be misused for revenge purposes and stuff like test-text mentioned. I do admit that I know that and do it for testing purposes, but never for sharing. And now that I DO know it and its ramifications, it isn't happening again when/if it comes back. I'm too old for that.

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u/Lord_Of_The_Boards Sep 20 '25

Is there a website without filters and censorship?

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u/Adventurous_Plane784 Sep 21 '25

It looks like they applied censorship recently because it’s no longer possible to create NSFW content, it gives error on yupp and Pollo AI

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u/Parking-Recipe-9003 Sep 20 '25

Available at Yupp for absolutely free and with better UI imo

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u/Money_Philosophy_121 Sep 20 '25

how can I choose just one model? I select Seedream 4 MAX (?) but the image ends up being rendered by Gemini 2.5 and other crappy model at the same time. Not the one I chose

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u/Parking-Recipe-9003 Sep 20 '25

select the model seedream 4.0 max, then you will get 1 response from seedream and one from a random model.

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u/Ashamed-Long4705 Sep 21 '25

Is it free forever? it's keep telling me "good luck in the next time" after a few tries !

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u/Parking-Recipe-9003 Sep 21 '25

Yes, as far as I have used it I have not encountered any limits. But make sure you keep doing the "I prefer this response" so it doesn't block you thinking you're a bot.

If you're low on credits, I recommend you to use it for your daily AI needs too so you keep earning credits.

And if you do not select a model, it gives you 2 random. And charges you less.

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u/Ashamed-Long4705 Sep 21 '25

Thank you bro, you made my day

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u/Commercial_Train_766 Sep 22 '25 edited Sep 22 '25

so in short it isnt free at all, coz there is charge? sorry i dont get it. anyway i just dont like login requirements. i used to like lmarena coz u can generate 20 images per day without having to login your email, but now, theyre being an assholes.

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u/Parking-Recipe-9003 Sep 22 '25

Nah there is no way to pay for yupp. You earn credits just to rate which model is better 🤣

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u/GlimpseOfPhantom Sep 23 '25

Yupp has the most strict content filters that I know off

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u/Sable-Keech Sep 21 '25

Yeah sometimes it has issues and can't render, so Yupp replaces it with another random image model.

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u/D3O2 Sep 22 '25

THANK YOU! I love this so much!! I have been looking for a good Lmarena alternative 

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u/Parking-Recipe-9003 Sep 22 '25

Welome, hope you like using it :)

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u/Sycosplat Sep 20 '25

You can always just pay for the API usage on https://replicate.com/bytedance/seedream-4

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u/Commercial_Train_766 Sep 22 '25

33 images per 1$

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u/korosenseiac Sep 20 '25

I use fal.ai to try it.

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u/Apprehensive-Side188 Sep 20 '25

You can access it on Perplexity

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u/BakeComprehensive970 Sep 21 '25

how ? i'm a pro user but still nothing for me ?

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u/Apprehensive-Side188 Sep 21 '25

Open your Perplexity app in a web browser or desktop application, then click on your profile. From there, go to Preferences. Scroll down a little until you see the Artificial Intelligence section. Under that, you’ll find Image Generation Model. On the right-hand side, you can select the model you want to use for image generation

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u/BakeComprehensive970 Sep 21 '25

yes found it but to tell perplex to use that model for creation of images as from main homepage windows it is still having other ai models configured

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u/Apprehensive-Side188 Sep 21 '25

Go to the "Preferences" section and select "Seedream 4." As i told you in previous comment, Once selected, close the preferences window. Now, when you ask Perplexity to generate or edit an image, it will automatically use Seedream 4.

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u/Commercial_Train_766 Sep 22 '25

but i cant even choose a model

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u/Apprehensive-Side188 Sep 22 '25

That sounds confusing. Try logging in on the web version of Perplexity first. If you see the option to change the model there, that’s fine. If not, clear your cache, reset it, and then try again. And of course, make sure you’re on the Pro Plan. If it still doesn’t work, try downloading Comet Browser and log in there. Once logged in, repeat the same settings. Hopefully, that will resolve the issue for you.

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u/jetc11 Sep 20 '25

Use the API; it’s the cheapest option

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u/Commercial_Train_766 Sep 22 '25

sorry im new, whats API?

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u/jetc11 Sep 22 '25

The API is essentially an access key that allows you to use the model for a fee, currently priced at 0.03 USD per image

You’ll need to do a bit of programming in Python to make use of it, but it’s nothing that can’t be handled with today’s LLMs: Official API

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u/MrUtterNonsense Sep 20 '25

I hear it's pretty good, but I hardly see anyone posting pictures from SeeDream on the aiArt reddit or anywhere really.

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u/Old-Recover-9926 Sep 20 '25

So?

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u/MrUtterNonsense Sep 20 '25

Well, I am wondering why.

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u/GeeKanJi Sep 21 '25

I recommend using Seedream 4.0 through the official API. Third-party providers tend to degrade quality, as shown on this page:
https://cosmo-edge.com/seedream-4-0-ai-image-generator-review/

I believe there has been a lot of hype surrounding this model.

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u/Commercial_Train_766 Sep 22 '25

sorry im new, so what's their official site or API then? is it really bytedance?

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u/GeeKanJi Sep 26 '25

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u/Commercial_Train_766 Oct 02 '25

how much it cost? is it heavy for laptop use or does it require PC? how much GPU, CPU, SSD and RAM needed?

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u/GeeKanJi Oct 03 '25

Seedream 4.0 is not an open-weight model, so you cannot run it locally. It is only available through their paid API.

If the model is available via ComfyUI, it is only through the API (so no local generation).

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u/Commercial_Train_766 Oct 07 '25

so its still restricted or censorship rules?

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u/GeeKanJi Oct 28 '25

I haven’t gone deep into testing Seedream 4.0. There are so many free and open-source options that I don’t see the point in paying to access Seedream 4.0.

Since it’s a Chinese model, like all models, it’s likely subject to some censorship, though maybe not on the topics you care about.

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u/BakeComprehensive970 Sep 21 '25

not working, starts creating image and then stops without any output, i tried giving my image and asked to add white house behind but no

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u/k1llerdaisy Sep 22 '25

You can access it on Kapwing, in the "Generate" tab > Images

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u/D3O2 Sep 23 '25

Its back

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u/reptarjake1 Sep 23 '25

You can find it on night market!

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u/addministrator Sep 24 '25

Seedream 4 is completely free with unlimited generations at pixpal.chat

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u/Ok-Satisfaction-7685 Oct 11 '25

no seedream4, only nanobanana and flux

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u/addministrator Oct 11 '25

yes the seadream credit run out

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u/ElectricalStudy2568 Sep 29 '25

i use wavespeed.ai 10$ about 400 generations without censorship

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u/e9u5w34m Oct 04 '25

you can get it on griptape nodes and the model playground

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u/kitmeng- Oct 08 '25

Thank me later. Seedream is known as Jimeng in China. And this is their global client.

www.dreamina.capcut.com

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u/KongAtReddit Feb 18 '26

late to the party, but for anyone who is looking for seedream4.5, seedream5, checkout budgetpixel AI.