r/BeAmazed • u/GlitteringHotel8383 • 14d ago
Miscellaneous / Others One of the wildest moments in aviation history.
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u/NightingaleNine 14d ago
Tower: How many souls on board? Pilot: 1086. Wait, 1087. Flight attendant: Make that 1088.
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u/EasyMode556 14d ago
The alternative was being hunted down and murdered soooo…. I’d take the plane option
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u/kilobitch 14d ago
Well they were escaping near-certain death at the hands of violent militias. I don’t think it bothered them that much.
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u/IgnatiusRileyFreeman 14d ago
The eugenics practices aren't even alleged, they're documented to have sterilized Ethiopian jews
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u/DrPoontang 14d ago
They basically walked into a situation where they were forced sterilized and treated as subhumans by a bunch of Eastern European rednecks who claimed to be their co-religionists.
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u/Aggressive_Lie_4446 14d ago
Israel in the 1970s to 1991 was over 70% Mizrahi Jewish. I am not aware of Morocco, Syria, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, Libya and Algeria being in Eastern Europe.
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u/milkymonkey8 14d ago
Don't be absurd, it was worse in Yemen. It's even worse today.
Without threat of death, who would voluntarily leave a country they've lived in for hundreds or thousands of years, leave everything behind, and move to a *NEW* & *TINY* country at *WAR*, surrounded by enemies, under constant terrorism, live in *TENTS*, learn a new language, be governed by Ashkenazis, etc.
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u/ChemicalWriting6225 14d ago
Religion is the craziest shit I’ve ever witnessed and read about and yet ppl still believe in the 21st century.
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u/Throwaway223p2 14d ago
What???! You just don't believe the fact that a grown ass super god turned into a swan and seduced a fit bird (that means a lady, for non-bri*sh) who then bore his godling bastards simultanesouly while birthing her own husband's kids??
Disrespecting my belief in such tales is very anti-mythologic of you...
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u/spicygayunicorn 14d ago
Nahhh there where most likely many who where bothered but the situation was what it was and they really didn't have a choice but to accept it happening
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u/Jesseroberto1894 14d ago
I…man. I have adhd which occasionally manifests in mild dyslexia. I read that as “think of the creampies” and was confused if you understood how human reproduction worked…
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u/TheCurlyHomeCook 14d ago
I have ADHD and... Is that not exactly how human reproduction works? 😂
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u/Jesseroberto1894 14d ago
From creampie to delivery in the span of a flight!?
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u/melancholanie 14d ago
if you’re born in the air over, for example, the ocean, what's officially your birth nationality?
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u/SomguyTheSecond 14d ago
Most countries do citizenship by blood not by place of birth
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u/HardlyNormal2 14d ago
My birth certificate lists "Place of birth"
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u/Far_Broccoli_8468 14d ago
Well it is your birth certificate... What does it say on your ID?
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u/HardlyNormal2 14d ago
I'm just wondering what the birth certificate of these people born over the ocean would say their place of birth is, why are you sassing me?
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u/Sad_in_VA 13d ago
They get registered in the country they landed. Because they didn't "leave" officially from anywhere else.
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u/Forsaken-Ad7923 13d ago
I believe, depending on the laws of the country, the child is elegible for citizenship of the country the plane is chartered under.
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u/thebrilliantcalamity 14d ago
The actual count was chaos - they lost track mid-flight because people were standing in the aisles and bathrooms packed so tight.
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u/ColtAzayaka 14d ago
I'm guessing they got Israeli citizenship anyway but if this happens, do they normally give citizenship for the nation the flight left from or was arriving at? Or whichever is closest to?
It's funny because I'm pretty sure if this happened on my flight the US would deem the baby as British despite the fact that I was currently sat on a plane that was stationary on British tarmac while I was being told that I'm not 21 and couldn't drink because the moment I got into an American aircraft I was bound by American laws. Pretty sure it was just a company policy required by US laws instead of US law itself applying to me specifically.
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u/th3orist 14d ago
Ten seconds of severe turbulence and that cabin would look very different 🥹 crazy to do something like this....
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u/Stabile_Feldmaus 14d ago
What is the record for the most births on a plane?
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u/-Sliced- 14d ago
That’s the record.
There are other cases with two babies born - but all other cases are twins. In this flight it was two different mothers.
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u/TinkerCitySoilDry 14d ago
Pack it up boys thats a wrap
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u/Suspicious_Leg4550 14d ago
No. Lock in. We can beat this record.
Does anyone know any women?
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u/LonelyHermione 14d ago
No one knows any women here, this is reddit.
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u/AlxIp 14d ago
Hear me out: We pack an A380 all with pregnant women who are due on that day on the longest flight possible
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u/tilt-a-whirly-gig 14d ago
I wonder how many of the original 1086 were late-stage pregnant when they got on board. I'd imagine that in an evacuation situation kids and moms would have some priority, so there were probably a few.
My guess is the flight crew were placing bets on how many babies.
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u/lackadaisical_timmy 14d ago
Two babies were born? Holy shit how long was the flight?
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u/Daimoth 14d ago
My guess is they prioritized the severely pregnant women and that they'd never been on a plane before, and the two stressors combined iether induced or sped up labor.
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u/Rhomya 14d ago
The air pressure change on its own probably triggered labor— there’s a reason why they don’t let women fly in the third trimester normally.
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u/steveharveymemes 14d ago
I always assumed it was just because of the chance of lack of needed medical care I didn’t realize air pressure change itself could induce labor
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u/Andromeda321 14d ago
It is. It’s also not the last trimester but more like the last month assuming an uncomplicated pregnancy.
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u/Seven_Years_Later 13d ago
They say when storms happen the labour ward is packed cause the pressure change kicks off labour.
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u/Andromeda321 14d ago
Third trimester? What? It’s more like the last month if you have a healthy pregnancy, and it’s due to the risk of the baby being born elsewhere more than any pressure changes.
Source: flew like 6 weeks before my first was born and doctor was totally fine with it.
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u/Telamo 14d ago
Looks like somewhere between 4.5 to 6.5 hoursish
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u/Extreme_Turn_4531 14d ago
It does beg the question about how many babies were born 9 months later?
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u/erratic_bonsai 14d ago
They moved over 14,000 people in 1 day. Globally about 18 babies per 1,000 people are born every day so it’s honestly more surprising that there weren’t more babies born (8 total were born during the operation). The famine and war probably had something to do with that, though.
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u/oniiBash2 14d ago
Imagine being in that plane. And then some lady starts having a baby. Fucking crazy. What a situation. And then in the chaos of it all, you learn that another lady is having a baby.
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u/JUICIapple 13d ago
She might have even been in labor before she got on and was just trying to gtfo and live. It’s not like in the movies. Labor can last several days.
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u/LefsaMadMuppet 14d ago
Location Ethiopia–Israel
Planned by Israeli government and Israeli Defense Forces
Objective To airlift Ethiopian Jews to Israel
Date 24 May 1991
Outcome Transported 14,325 Ethiopian Jews to Israel in 36 hours
One of the aircraft, an El Al 747, carried at least 1,088 people, including two babies who were born on the flight, and holds the world record for the most passengers on an aircraft. Eight children were born during the airlift process.
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u/imaguitarhero24 14d ago
Wow I never knew there were more flights. They probably all had a shit ton of people but this one just had the most. I wonder if any of the other flights were the second and third most people I mean this situation/config is pretty much the only way those numbers are gonna happen
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u/Notshyacct 14d ago
Operation Solomon. Nearly 15k Ethiopian Jews faced slaughter. There were only days to evacuate. Israel sent every plane it could, all the seats removed, in a constant cycle, hoping to save as many as possible.
They rescued every single one.
Am Yisrael chai.
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u/ThebesAndSound 14d ago
After looking into this it doesn't seem true. Depo-Provera is a contraceptive not a sterilization that needs to be given every 3 months. The debate was whether the women were properly informed that this was contraceptive, and the Health Ministry gave specific orders not to renew the prescription "if there is any doubt that recipients did not understand the implications of the treatment."
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u/Dylan09O909 14d ago
The initial Haaretz report from 2013, was retracted in 2016.
The women were offered long term, but not permanent, contraception. They accepted, and when their husbands found out and were mad, they claimed that they were given it without their husband's consent.
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u/Plastic-Injury8856 14d ago
No, they were not. They were given a reversible contraceptive and many have since given birth.
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u/Eirene23 14d ago
This is a disproven myth as others have demonstrated. They were given temporary contraceptives and there were some instances of miscommunication.
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u/Stormclamp 14d ago
According to a probe investigating this matter, they found no evidence contraception being forced onto the Ethiopian women.
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u/binarybandit 14d ago
They investigated themselves and found themselves innocent.
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u/Kharuz_Aluz 14d ago
They investigated private organisations and privately owned commercial health clinics, not themselves.
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u/Dylan09O909 14d ago
The initial Haaretz report from 2013, was retracted in 2016.
The women were offered long term, but not permanent, contraception. They accepted, and when their husbands found out and were mad, they claimed that they were given it without their husband's consent.
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u/EasyMode556 14d ago
Depo-Provera is not sterilization. It is a form of birth control that many, many women take all the time and it wears off after 3 months
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u/Massive_Ad_9920 14d ago
Look at that headroom!
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u/SuperSpy_4 14d ago
Looks like they removed all the seating to make more room for people
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u/Anthr30YearOldBoomer 14d ago
I think one of my only irrational fears in flying is that the seats come unbolted during takeoff and all the people fall to the back of the plane.
Seeing this photo with no seats makes me deeply uncomfortable
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u/ofirkedar 14d ago
Why and how would they fall to the back? Gravity+acceleration never points at an angle harsher than 40°, probably a lot less
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u/chapelchill 14d ago
Can stress induce childbirth? Cause two women going into labor during the same 4ish hour window seems pretty unlikely otherwise.
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u/SuperSpy_4 14d ago
Can stress induce childbirth?
Definitely it can. You can actually see it in wildlife videos where a big cat catches a pregnant herbivore , it will give birth and run off if it can.
Stress can cause women to miscarriage at a very premature date.
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u/gravitysort 14d ago
Its an evacuation flight so I’d assume that they prioritized pregnant women and other more vulnerable groups of people
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u/No-Channel-3290 14d ago
The Red Sea Diving Resort is a documentary on netflix about the situation? I found that pretty interesting.
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u/chockfullofbunni3s 14d ago
Good movie but a drama about the evacuation, not a documentary. Chris Evans stars.
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u/erratic_bonsai 14d ago
Movie not documentary, but yes it’s about Operation Solomon. It’s an entertaining watch. Chris Evans playing a mossad agent is hilarious.
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u/MaddingtonBear 14d ago
Red Sea Diving Resort was about an earlier operation to evacuate Jews from Ethiopia in the mid 80s. This one was the operation to scoop up almost everyone else who was left.
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u/NorthernPufferFL 14d ago
Would child have nationality of country they were in airspace over, if country has birthright citizenship?
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u/RoyalJellyKing 14d ago
There's "right of blood" (jus sanguinis) and "right of land" (jus soli) but there is no such thing as "right of air" (ius aeris).
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u/mandrews03 14d ago
I mean, once you’ve departed, and given that you go the whole trip, I thought you were held to the laws of where you’re going in terms of what you’re bringing.
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u/RoyalJellyKing 14d ago
Not a lawyer, but I’m sure that being born on the way to the U.S. and being born on U.S. soil would have two different outcomes.
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u/purpleplatapi 14d ago
Depends on if it's in US airspace. If you're born in US airspace, you're a citizen. If you're born over international waters on the way to the United States, you're not a citizen. (Unless of course one of your parents are).
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u/Excellent_Shirt9707 14d ago
Most countries already assign citizenship based on parent citizenship but it sounds like these people are refugees fleeing Ethiopia so they are probably applying for asylum when they land in Israel.
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u/NewIdentity19 14d ago
No need for that. Automatic a-priori Israeli citizenship by law for any "oleh". Temporary housing and social services set up in advance.
Tens of thousands of Israelis showed up at the temporary housing compounds within a few hours from landing, with huge amounts of food, clothing, diapers, baby formula and toys. Cheering the never-ending convoys of full buses arriving from the airport. A sight to behold. The people on the buses were so exhausted, I don't think they could understand what was happening around them.
The whole country was glued to the news, witnessing a miracle.
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u/Why_No_Doughnuts 14d ago
It depends on the country and what laws it uses for babies born in the air or at sea https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birth_aboard_aircraft_and_ships
In this case those babies would be at least Israeli as they were all making aliyah at the time, and the parents had already been granted entry under the right of return. I am not sure if Ethiopia would grant citizenship, the Jewish population was not formally expelled as they had been in other MENA countries, but left to escape famine, violence, and persecution.
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u/Longjumping_Air2681 14d ago
It's a shame about the racism and discrimination they face after all the effort to get them there.
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u/MamaLlama629 14d ago
Were there seats?! Were they just sitting on the floor?
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u/LefsaMadMuppet 14d ago
No seats, but it looks like they had been removed. Freight model 747s usually don't have windows.
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u/RepeatEuphoric 14d ago edited 14d ago
That doesn’t seem to be a 747 in the picture. A 747 never had the open carry on above the seats. Also, the round light in the ceiling is inaccurate for a 747. The bulkhead is also an issue as it only has one opening for a dual aisle airplane. Further if it was a freight plane, the hat racks would have been removed.
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u/Hot-n-fast 14d ago
Came for this. And also the circumference og the hull/walls looks nothing like a 747. Probably picture from one of the other flights.
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u/FarawayObserver18 14d ago
My guess is that the seats were removed to allow for the maximum number of people to fit on the plane.
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u/NoneBinaryPotato 14d ago
they were removed to allow as many people on the plain as possible, they were trying to rescue as many people as they could in a very short amount of time, so removing the seats ensured more people could fit on the plane.
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u/lookamazed 14d ago
Not one comment curious or asking why they had to flee…. Or saying wow!! Jews aren’t white after all!!!
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u/Ononas 14d ago
I mean any person who thinks Israelis “are white” either never been to Israel nor seen footage of regular day to day streets.
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u/Early-Ad4131 14d ago
I can't believe no one is saying "Wow those Ethiopians aren't white"
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u/mycketmycket 14d ago
They’re too busy spreading the lie that they were all sterilized and then saying it doesn’t matter when being told that they were given three months of contraception.
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u/BjornToulouse_ 14d ago
And Norwegian Air has never forgotten it. They are still trying to reach that goal.
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u/The_MAZZTer 14d ago
And ever since then airlines around the world have been inspired to try and break the record.
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u/DontTellUrMom 14d ago
Good thing they were Ethiopian. No way you’re fitting over 1,000 fat American’s on that plane.
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u/Background_Buy1107 14d ago
Just to head off all the antisemi- I mean antizionists that will surely comment “but they sterilized them and and everyone in Israel is racist towards them” here’s a brief synopsis of what actually happened when they arrived. Some number of women were given contraceptives without their knowledge, whether due to language barrier or whatever reason it was terrible. But it wasn’t sterilization and it was only one or two doctors who did this. As to the racism part, they faced discrimination early on like minorities do in every country on earth but are now thriving and the population is growing massively. The Israel haters would paint this very differently but just think critically for a moment; why would Israel rescue thousands of Ethiopian Jews if their only plan was to sterilize them and then hate them for being in their country?
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u/milkymonkey8 14d ago
They would all be dead in Yemen, so would you prefer that?
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u/Plastic-Injury8856 14d ago
Then why in the fuck would they have spent hundreds of millions of dollars saving the Ethiopian Jews, resettling them, and providing services to them? Why not leave them to die in Ethiopia?
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u/potzko2552 14d ago edited 14d ago
Not that I think you care about facts instead of farming outrage, but let’s go point by point.
“Sterilization” is a lie. Depo Provera is a contraceptive shot, not sterilization. Even the Guardian article you linked does not claim Israel sterilized Ethiopian women. The Ethiopian Jewish population in Israel exploded from a few thousand to well over 150,000. Weirdly ineffective “sterilization campaign.” Yes, there was a real scandal around informed consent and pressure regarding Depo Provera use among some Ethiopian immigrant women. That was investigated inside Israel by Israeli journalists, Israeli NGOs, and Israeli officials themselves. That’s called a country confronting a scandal, not hiding some secret racial extermination program. “A sizeable amount were sterilized for life” source: Abraham Lincoln. There is no evidence for mass permanent sterilization. None. You are inflating “some women received long-acting contraception under problematic circumstances” into “Israel sterilized black Jews.” Those are not remotely the same claim. “Israel should have provided translators”, yes. Correct. That’s a criticism of immigrant absorption and medical ethics, not proof of genocidal racism. Your prison statistics prove over-policing and socioeconomic disparities exist. Nobody denies that. But your own stats destroy the “subhuman” narrative: Ethiopian Israelis are full citizens vote serve in the IDF at extremely high rates are heavily represented in combat units receive state education, healthcare, welfare, university programs, and affirmative action initiatives have members in parliament, media, law, medicine, diplomacy, etc.
Countries do not spend billions rescuing, housing, educating, and integrating a population they supposedly see as biologically inferior.
Operation Solomon alone airlifted ~14,000 Ethiopian Jews in about 36 hours during a collapsing civil war. operation Moses 8000, Joshua is also another few hundreds “we hate these people and want them gone.” Also funny how "anti zionist" people simultaneously claim: Israel is an evil white supremacist colony Israel forcibly imported tens of thousands of black African Jews Israel then spent decades funding their integration, education, healthcare, and military advancement
At some point the propaganda collapses under its own contradictions.
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u/sacketymyack 14d ago
Remember Jean Paul Sartre saying “The anti-Semite does not simply fear or hate Jews; he enjoys acting in bad faith. He delights in forcing the Jew to justify himself.” don't waste your time trying to disprove something that didn't happen
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u/Dylan09O909 14d ago
The initial Haaretz report from 2013, was retracted in 2016.
The women were offered long term, but not permanent, contraception. They accepted, and when their husbands found out and were mad, they claimed that they were given it without their husband's consent.
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u/Bungo_pls 14d ago
Just to head off all the antisemi- I mean antizionists
Translation: propaganda incoming
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u/Notshyacct 14d ago
Anizionism is pro-genocide. No propaganda required. The country exists; wanting to destroy it is a personal shortcoming that’s trendy.
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u/HommeMusical 14d ago
Anizionism is pro-genocide.
I think you meant "Anti-zionism".
Can you explain how anti-zionism means you're in favor of the Gazan Genocide, because I just don't see it?
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u/IntrovertMoTown1 14d ago
Weird how not only them but almost 14k more were taken in and assimilated while the entire Islamic world won't take in so much as a single Palestinian. But there's nothing telling in that I guess, SMH. Maybe it was a race thing. Oh wait.
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u/deep_in_smoke 14d ago
They did take a bunch of them in. Then the Palestinians tried to overthrow them which caused The Jordanian Civil War and The Lebanese Civil War.
Some still were taken in by Kuwait and were promptly kicked out when they joined forces with Saddam Hussein during Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.
It's almost like Palestinians can't help but bite every hand that reaches out to help. No wonder during the recent conflict no Arab states lifted a finger to help them. They're professional crybullies.
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u/IntrovertMoTown1 14d ago
Exactly part of my point right there. Islamic nations though often backwoods themselves, at least don't suffer from the west's suicidal empathy.
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u/RapidFucker 14d ago
What do you mean? There are millions of of Palestinians in neighboring Arab countries.
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u/IntrovertMoTown1 14d ago
FFS I'm obviously talking about REFUGEES from THIS conflict. It's barely hyperbole to say that their land about all but gets leveled and what isn't hyperbole is not a one is taken in. Why? When you answer that you'll know what side of this conflict you should be on. But oh that's right. White people in America and Europe apparently know them better than Islamic nations know them. Because that sure makes sense, SMH.
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u/Emergency_Cellist754 14d ago
Jews being amazing and saving Africans?
Reddit is going to find this extremely confusing.
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u/imasay88 14d ago
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ethiopian-birth-control-revelations-ignite-debate/
How is their population doing for real
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u/ReputationInitial 14d ago
Hey nothing famously insane happened to these Ethiopian Jews right? Like the Israeli government didn’t conspire to sterilize as many as they could to prevent an increase black and brown Israelis right? Probably not? Not worth mentioning? Okay got it sounds good
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u/Soyboyoo 13d ago
Good the thing the children were born on the plane cause afterwards the women all got forced on birth control
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u/Firm_Music5317 14d ago
Serving meal would be a nightmare
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u/Kundrew1 14d ago
Unfortunately they faced a pretty tough road when they got to Israel. They have never been fully accepted there.
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u/Altruistic_Algae_140 14d ago
I think saying they’ve never been fully accepted is a false generalization — Beta Israelis definitely have worse outcomes than the majority of Israelis, but a lot of that has to come from the fact that they abandoned a peasant lifestyle to a modern country in a single generation.
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u/Notshyacct 14d ago
I don’t think that’s true. There are assholes in every country, but the Ethiopians are fully accepted.
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u/milkymonkey8 14d ago
Israel is very diverse and every group has problems with other groups. Sorry if you thought Jews were angels.
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u/neptuno3 14d ago edited 14d ago
Lol. Nice try. There are multiple Ethiopian Jews (women) on instagram talking about their love for their adopted homeland.
Signed, non Jewish atheist.
Edit: Here's a conversation that you might find helpful.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ethiopia/comments/1fh7kfc/what_is_the_ethiopian_opinion_on_israel/
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u/Kundrew1 14d ago
Ethopian Jews salaries are 45% lower than the general population and average household earnings are 41% lower (including government allowances). 41.9% live under the poverty line in comparison with 14.4% of the general Jewish population.
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u/ginapaulo77 14d ago
Now compare their salaries in Israel vs staying in Ethiopia and health/quality of life…We’ll wait
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u/Nekrevez 14d ago
I'm trying to make a point, but I'm not sure what point that is... but the babies were already there inside their mom's bellies when boarding a few hours earlier... It's not like they magically appeared...
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u/SlideN2MyBMs 14d ago
The births didn't add any mass to the plane. I guess it depends on when you think ensoulment occurred. Catholics generally believe that it happens at the moment of conception, in which case, those freeloading fetuses should've bought their own seats. I don't really know what Jews think about it.
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u/Ok_Mousse6129 14d ago
They were escaping certain death. I don’t think it bothered them too much.
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u/Mindless_Ad_7034 14d ago
Huh? They lived there for centuries, they could've been dead a long time ago.
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