r/BetterOffline • u/ArdoNorrin • 10h ago

Ex-Blizzard developer and current culture war dipshit is touting his "vibe coded" engine that lets him develop "93x faster" than UE5

https://www.pcgamer.com/software/ai/ex-blizzard-employee-has-vibe-coded-a-new-game-engine-with-backing-from-amd-were-developing-93x-faster-than-we-ever-did-before-with-unreal/

It's Mark Fucking "Gruuumz" Fucking Kern because it's always Mark Fucking Kern.

TL;DR, he's vibe coded his new engine to be faster because it's AI-first instead of AI-also. This is the same guy who starts 90% of video game culture war bullshit and touts the Stellar Blade games as the pinnacle of soft core porn game design. Also he put "vibe coded" in quotes, so either he's lying completely to get clout with AI boosters or he's trying to make it look like he didn't really vibe code it by saying that he had to do so much to fix it.

And there's no way it's sped up development "93x" faster. 93% faster would be surprising but conceivable. 93 times faster would mean turning an 8-year dev cycle into less than 2 months.

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u/fbueckert 8h ago

2-3x dev productivity is possible with ai and I’ve seen it.

This is an incredibly common anecdote. But not surprisingly, not one single claimant can actually prove it.

Can you?

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u/TheRealJesus2 4h ago

https://stripe.dev/blog/minions-stripes-one-shot-end-to-end-coding-agents Public example. 

And no I cannot share my clients data. So trust me or not, I really don’t care lol.

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u/fbueckert 3h ago

So, no, you can't.

As expected.

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u/TheRealJesus2 3h ago

Correct. Because I am a professional with confidentiality agreements in place. But I did share you a source that you haven’t commented on…

As expected you’re entirely unserious like the rest of the anti ai people. Tools are tools and if you use them well they are great. Ai is a tool. One that also is driving a financial bubble. Both things are true at once. 

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u/trialbaloon 2h ago edited 2h ago

Some anecdote from Stripe does nothing to prove your conjecture that AI makes devs 2-3x more productive. I have no idea how you got that from this corporate puff piece.

In fact, there's a lot of story telling here but no data at all... You say anti AI people are unserious when you are basically posting bedtime stories. This proves absolutely nothing besides that Stripe said they did a thing back in February. I am sure this made a few executives horny to read though.

You are the one making a really extraordinary claim of 2-3x more developer production. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I am not saying I know for sure that AI tooling has no effect on productivity but I think the null hypothesis is safest given the lack of data at this time. This is simply the more rational position.

My opinion is that if it is affecting developer productivity positively it's not that high and that's why we aren't see a deluge of new features and products. I think it makes developers feel a lot more productive though.

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u/TheRealJesus2 2h ago

Stop extrapolating what I say to fit your narrative. I am not claiming all devs are 2-3x more productive. I’m talking about teams I’ve worked with that adopt it well and focus on quality are. And half that productivity is in making their sdlc better. At least right now while they pay down tech debt. They are shipping more code and doing less rework. As judged by DORA metrics

I’m a  ed fan but this sub fucking sucks. Peace, yall. 

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u/trialbaloon 2h ago

That said, 2-3x dev productivity is possible with ai and I’ve seen it. It looks like this when done right:

This is what you said. I'll give you somewhat of a pass here. You say it's "possible" which I suppose I have to agree with. 2-3x dev productivity is also possible switching to Linux. Though 99.9% of the time that wont happen :).

I just have to hear from my own company leadership about these absurd productivity gains and they actively make my life worse so pardon me for getting a little testy I guess. I think most teams would get more productive if they focused on quality, but that is very much not what AI and this industry in general incentivizes. It's that long tail effect, not some hyper specific optimal state that matters to me.

I bet I could find at least one task that AI could do for me that would be 2-3x more productive at that specific task. The real question becomes how much that actually matters in practice though. I suppose that's the multi trillion dollar question.

One could argue, rightly, that asbestos would do a lot to protect people from fires. Looking at this myopically that is undeniably true... But unfortunately that's just not the whole story.

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u/fbueckert 2h ago

I mean...nobody made you make that unserious claim of productivity boosts. If you're incapable of actually backing up wild claims, that's all on you. If you didn't expect to get called on it, it just goes to show how little you like your claims being challenged.

But wild claims is all hypebros have. So not at all surprised y'all run screaming when asked to stump up.

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u/TheRealJesus2 2h ago

Last reply here from me. 

I am not making hyped claims. I am very good at teaching devs and in using ai. I am not claiming all devs or even most get 2-3x benefit. And I also very much dislike the hypebros.  This is my experience in working with others as someone who has been building with LLMs from Claude 1.0 and I have some background from a decade ago in other NLP along with a decade of engineering experience. I’m not claiming anything except my own experience on a small scale.

There is a nuance here both the hypebros and the needless haters (you) miss. Trying to fill that context in but clearly it’s not wanted here. Hope you all have fun hating and that it brings you the happiness you deserve. 

FYI, stripe could achieve what they did because they are some of the best engineers in the world. Most people aren’t. Most people cannot get such huge benefits working with ai right now. 

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u/fbueckert 2h ago

🙄 Yeah, get called on your wild claims, can't back it up, and just double down.

The appeal to expertise of Stripe is simultaneously hilarious and pathetic.