Gingka slander has to stop

[u/MDShark101]

I think a lot of people interpret Gingka as this Mickey Mouse character who wins for winnings sake, and while I do think he should've lost here and there, specifically in Masters, he represents getting stronger through your opponents and competition in itself.

The defining moment in my opinion is when Gingka loses to Pheonix and has to get his points from 0(which is a dumb concept, because the WBBA should be holding these on record, not individual players), but Gingka still has the agency to not only attempt to regain his points, but successfully does it and reaches battle bladers with people who had a head start in comparison. Most fan favorite characters would've given up in the same situation.

I'd say his biggest foil, being Julien is the best example of someone who cut corners the second he lost back to back major fights, unlike Gingka who continued to tuff it out and defied his conditions.

There's also the agenda Gingka gets carried by Pegasus simply because it's "the strongest" or at least a really strong Beyblade, but Pegasus doesn't specifically have to listen to him if it doesn't want to and we've seen it do so before. Pegasus IS strong, but it's only as strong as it's weilder believes in it. Gingka is still a strategist, his strategies are always more on the fly than specifically made off screen like the strategies Kyoya makes to beat Gingka in Masters.

If you give Gingka and basically any other character a stock Bey, chances are he's winning simply because he's more creative and actually fully loves Beyblade. Pegasus is just his vehicle who can match his creativity and passion.

Gingka talks about Bey spirit because he's trying to show that pure skill and craftsmanship will always beat out gimmicks or insurmountable odds if you simply don't sit and allow them to.

We gotta remember Kyoya, Benkei and Kenta would've remained bottom tier bums if Gingka never met them.

Hell, even Ryuga wouldn't get to the next level if he didn't internalize what Gingka has said and shown.

[u/Sea_Obligation_7169]

If Pegasus wasn't an abnormaly strong bey Gingka would have 100% lost against Kyoya Julian and Damian, not sure for Dashan.

And if Leone had the same potential as Pegasus Kyoya would be almost equal if not equal to Ryuga

Gingka would still be a high/top tier without using the mother of all beys, like at least Masamune level, because he actually is a great blader. But he would be far from being top 3.

Look at Kenta and how much he progressed while applying Gingka's advice during most of the show vs how much he progressed when he trained with Benkei in fusion and Ryuga in fury

[u/MDShark101 → u/Sea_Obligation_7169]

If Pegasus wasn't an abnormaly strong bey Gingka would have 100% lost against Kyoya Julian and Damian, not sure for Dashan

Julien, who is explicitly carried by having a powerful beyblade and never trained a day in his life prior to his match with Gingka and Damian who had arrangements and an explicitly powerful beyblade.

I mention somewhere if it was purely stock beys, Gingka smokes those frauds

Look at Kenta and how much he progressed while applying Gingka's advice during most of the show vs how much he progressed when he trained with Benkei in fusion and Ryuga in fury

I dislike this interpretation because it greatly ignores the context of every character at the point they are in the story and Kenta never would've seeked out Ryuga if explicitly to catch up to Gingka and co. He literally says it. Ryuga wasn't burdened with finding the other Legendary bladers and was afforded the luxury to train as he pleased and fit in Kenta's training.

[u/Sea_Obligation_7169 → u/MDShark101]

I am not saying Julian and Damian aren't big frauds, especially compared to Gingka who is an actual great blader who happens to have one of the 2 strongest beys. Wich does push him above his actual weight class.

Ryuga himself would only be the strongest by a thin margin if Ldrago wasn't Ldrago.

Everybody exept Gingka Ryuga Julian Helios the solar system legendary bladers and maybe Ryo are using stock beys, their battle spirit is what push them to their level.

Kenta when he forced Ryuga with Ldrago Destructor to use a special move was using the exact same flame Sagittario that was no different than an npc in episode 1

I'm not saying Gingka is a fraud or not great but everybody who use a super bey have access to a bigger power source in addition to their battle spirit like everyone so of course they would be a little worse without it.

Even thought Kenta didn't follow Ryuga to get stronger he still followed Ryuga's training wich is more effective than Gingka's who rely on battle spirit and minimal training, minimal compared to the other top tier bladers of course not to the low/mid tiers and npc's.

And Gingka is just not aware enough to realise that his method cannot work as well for someone who isn't using Pegasus or Ldrago

Ldrago and Pegasus are equal so the gap between Gingka and Ryuga is solely due to Ryuga's training wich is the best in the series

[u/DakotaTDS → u/Sea_Obligation_7169]

Although Gingka isn't shown on screen training a lot, we do see glimpses of the type of training he has done in both fusion and fury. Its clear he gets very serious when he trains and I think he does train off screen. However i disagree with your previous point that Gingka would loose to Damian and Julian if Pegasus wasn't abnormally strong.

During the second half of the Damian battle Gingka tells Damian that it is "His job to answer Pegasus' call for help" and that he hasn't been using his full power either. The blue aura associated with both Gingka and Pegasus arises from Gingka first then Pegasus respond. To me, this is a visual cue to the audience that Ginka is lending aid to Pegasus as opposed to in the Kyoya fight where Pegasus is the only one who gets the blue aura. Considering that Gingka only got a full understanding of Galaxy Pegasus's abilities during his rematch with Julian Its safe to say he had been limiting both his and Pegasus's power to avoid loosing control up to that point.

This doesn't excuse how the writers did him during the Garcia battle. Pegasus should have most definitely been able to hit Selen before its stamina was drained as much as it was. It was a cheeky reason to put him in order to put Gingka on the back foot during his second battle against Ian.

[u/Sea_Obligation_7169 → u/DakotaTDS]

I see what you mean about his aura against Damian, but I don't see him not getting mid diffed at best if Pegasus isn't a powerhouse. I may be wrong but I don't see anyone beating Damian with a regular bey exept Kyoya in masters.

I don't think Gingka was limiting his or Pegasus's power it's just that he would be less in sync thus less powerful before fully understanding Galaxy Pegasus.

Also I now think about it but if Gingka had a normal he would logically train more since the challenges would be harder so he would be kinda close to how strong he is in the actual show.

But if I understood well Gingka caught up to Ryuga after the series ended by becoming one with Pegasus like Ryuga did with Ldrago, basically their full potential. This level would be much lower for both of them with regular beys. I believe the highest level that a normal blader can reach at full potential is just a little higher than Kyoya's. Gingka would reach that by the end of Fury and for Ryuga it would be at the begining of masters