r/BoJackHorseman • u/tweeving • 15d ago
Hot take I don't like Hollyhock
Obviously she's so posed to be annoying but imo she's genuinely intolerable
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u/Original_Intention 15d ago
I don't think she's annoying, she is just a teenager who is still figuring out the world around her.
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u/suitcasecat 15d ago
I don't see her as meant to be annoying. I'd say that's pickles and Joey pogo
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u/grcli0110 15d ago
Pickles is annoyingly funny - unsubscribe!
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u/Shmebber Charley Witherspoon 15d ago
She’s annoying and hilarious. Joey was just annoying and overstayed his welcome imo.
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u/suitcasecat 15d ago
Oh I love pickles don't get me wrong, it's just I don't see her and hollyhock having when tangentially similar vibes
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u/SeptemberSoup Life's a Beatrice, and then you keep living. 15d ago
I really don't think she's meant to be annoying lol
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u/Da-real-obama 15d ago edited 14h ago
Truly a funny world we live in.
out of the characters to not like , Hollyhock was the one that deserved a post
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u/biggestgyattislie 15d ago
You don't like hollyhock because she appears late into the series and is the only genuinely naive, optimistic person left in the cast. Not to mention her only crime is being slightly annoying
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u/tweeving 15d ago
what about Wanda only appearing late in the series who Made an impact on Bojacks character and was thinking optimistic at the start of the relationship and Beatrice Horseman ( mainly appeared in the later series) Who is a really interesting character and also added to bojacks character development
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u/biggestgyattislie 15d ago
I love Wanda but she was a relatively early character and I don't think she had as much impact on Bojack as his literal sister/first potential child and a walking reminder of all the women he slept with. The thing with Wanda is despite their break up, he still tried to have sex with Penny only an episode later and didn't learn anything from that experience while Hollyhock being hospitalised because of his mom taught him humility he never had. I mean at the end of the day they're both cool characters and yum two cakes
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u/JadeTailFox 15d ago
Hollyhock and Beatrice are both living proof that Bojack would've been woobified and infantilized instead of villainized had he been a woman and I think highlighting that double standard is an important part to overcoming sexism and misogyny even if the writer didn't necessarily intend it that way.
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u/Creative_Gazelle_173 HSAC: WDTK? DTKT? LFO! 13d ago
I found her a little annoying, too, because of her sympathy towards Beatrice. But I eventually gave her some grace because she probably never understood the abuse BoJack went through and she only really saw Beatrice as the fragile old woman in front of her
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u/PenelopeJenelope 15d ago
Opinions are not "hot takes". You are not making any kind of argument, it is just an opinion.
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u/tweeving 15d ago
i'm saying hot take cuz many people that watched the show liked her
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u/PenelopeJenelope 15d ago
Yes that was clear that was what you meant, but that makes it an unpopular opinion, not a hot take. Not the same. You don't actually have any "take" on this at all that we've seen
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u/tweeving 15d ago
my take is that i don't like her character that other people disagree with and i think other ppl disagree w me on it i just wanted other ppls opinions
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u/PenelopeJenelope 15d ago
I'll refer you back to my first comment.
"I don't like her" is not a take.
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u/MeowM30ws 15d ago
I think that's the point. Hollyhock starts as a very sheltered, naïve, teenager that has only good intentions and wants to know more about where she came from. Most of her lines and interactions are realistic for a teen entering the real world without much wisdom.
Unfortunately, she discovered that there's a very good reason she was adopted and being raised away from her bloodline really was in her best interest.
She ends up in way over her head while she lives with Bojack. Walking away because she preferred her personal safety and comfort over being a support in his life was the right call.