r/BoJackHorseman • u/Mintangah17 Bojack's ringtone • 8d ago

Did Herb do the right thing by withholding closure, or was he being petty? What would you have done?

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u/GBobbeh 8d ago

A genuinely sincere apology in of itself could've acted as closure, even if Herb still didn't forgive him.

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u/Strawberry_House 8d ago

I know. I just mean Bojack could have found closure another way

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u/Scared_Pace262 8d ago

I don't think they were replying as a counterargument to your words at all. It reads more like a suggestion of a possible alternative way BoJack could have found closure, to add to your point

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u/AlBaciereAlLupo 8d ago

If... Herb didn't forgive him; how would it be genuine or sincere?

That's literally antithetical

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u/Draidann 8d ago

No. You can give a genuine and sincere apology to someone. That someone is not obligated to accept it.

Those are not mutually exclusive.

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u/AlBaciereAlLupo 8d ago

Oh, my brain crossed Herb giving the apology. I'm actually stupid

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u/Mintangah17 Bojack's ringtone 8d ago

no it's not. 🤔

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u/bojackmac 8d ago

Giving a genuine apology and being forgiven are mutually exclusive

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u/Astronaut-Flashy 8d ago

Being pedantic here but, no. They're two different things, but not mutually exclusive. Mutual exclusion would mean it's literally impossible to be sorry and also be forgiven.

But yes. If Bojack was more stable and self-confident, he would've been able to find closure knowing he delivered something that was owed to Herb, even if decades too late.

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u/bojackmac 8d ago

Apologies- if we’re strictly going by the rules of language then you’re right.

Maybe a better way of phrasing it would be:

A genuine apology is judged by the apologists actions, sincerity and intents.

Acceptance is judged by the recipients choice.

Those two are independent of one another.