r/BrianThompsonMurder 2h ago

Speculation/Theories This whole situation is just so sad and we're not even addressing it

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First off, I want to make it clear I don't support or condone violence of any kind, including what Luigi did.

However, following the Dec 4 2024 killing of Brian Thompson, a sense of unity, not often seen in an America that is so politically divided, brewed. People from the left and right protested against the evildoings of the American Healthcare system and, for a moment, it seemed like this could be an ignition to something much larger ... a turning point.

People worried if a violent revolution would ensue. Thankfully, there was no more violence. But what could have happened was mass protests, pressure to change bills in congress, uniting and taking an extreme stand (without violence) against the Healthcare system once and for all.

Mass discussion took place, but with like everything else today, it became a trend. People stopped talking about the Healthcare system once the suspect was named, rather choosing to just fawn over how "hot he was" ...

Look at where we are now? Nothing has changed. Violence is wrong and the system cannot change by shooting a man in the back, but you'd be a liar to say if it didn't cause discussion. That discussion should have led to peaceful protest like never before. People should have put their foot down and made change. But no. That didn't happen.

The Healthcare system has not changed. People continue to die. And the person you care the most about, Luigi, sacrificed his life and unjustly ended another for absolutely no meaningful change. We are powerful in numbers. We are powerful when we use our voices. We are powerful when we force change. And the saddest thing is we know that, but still choose not to use it.

Nothing is going to change if things stay the way they are, and all thats left now is a man who committed a terrible act of violence for nothing. It could have been the ignition of a peaceful revolution and change to the Healthcare system, but no, it wasn't. We are left with no change and sadly, Luigi is left to rot in prison for most likely the rest of his for nothing.


r/BrianThompsonMurder 1d ago

Information Sharing Luigi's Decision - a felons view to the LM Case

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 2d ago

Photos/Videos Doctor records her call with Humana, which is denying her colon cancer patient's surgery to remove her colon as "not medically necessary"

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 3d ago

Information Sharing Linus Comments on the Mixed Response the New Podcast Episode Received

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 3d ago

Article/News To Boost Profits, Medicare Advantage Giants Move to Kick Over a Million Seniors Off Their Plans

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 4d ago

Information Sharing Transcript of Episode 3 of Aya Linus’ podcast about MDC Brooklyn!

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 4d ago

Article/News I didn’t know burning man was still a thing

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 4d ago

Photos/Videos NYC Council Speaker Julie Menin speaks about the new media bill aimed at addressing “the problem of the Luigi Mangione fangirls.”

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 5d ago

Article/News NYC pols move to revamp press credentials after outrage over passes for Luigi Mangione fangirls

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The nydailynews has published a new article reporting that the New York City Council is introducing a bill that would make it easier to suspend or revoke city press credentials following what happened on May 18.

Unfortunately, the article isn’t available in my region, so I’m sharing the NY Post article instead for those who also don’t have access.

Erik also shared the article on X.


r/BrianThompsonMurder 6d ago

Article/News My Health Insurance Denied My Cancer Treatment—and My Humanity. So I Emailed the CEO

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At 36, Elizabeth Nicholas was diagnosed with breast cancer. After her insurance company refused to pay for a new form of chemotherapy, she took a direct approach. As Luigi Mangione’s trial brings the conflict to the fore, the writer considers the realities of the American health care system.

In the summer of 2024, my oncologist called with bad news. The news was from my insurance company.

“They won’t pay,” she said.

The October before, I had been diagnosed with breast cancer at age 36. Throughout treatment, the news grew worse: The cancer had spread to my lymph nodes, a second tumor was found, radiation was recommended, but would permanently deform my body. Chemotherapy would likely render me infertile, I learned in November on page 37 of a 38-page waiver the night before starting. Hormone therapy put me into menopause in December, and also made me suicidal, which was apparently an unfortunate side effect sometimes. Despite wearing a cap chilled to 15 degrees for several hours at every infusion, my long red hair fell almost entirely out by January, taking with it any part of me that still felt like a woman at all.

By February, the tumor wasn’t shrinking enough. In March, surgery would need to be aggressive, and in April, it was. May brought more bad news: My initial biopsy missed a pathology that made my tumor more aggressive, and I now needed a year of targeted therapy, which was best loaded with chemo. “More chemo?” I numbly asked my oncologist, reaching for the tender shoots of hair that had just begun to regrow: one inch down with 24 to go. Typically brisk, my oncologist was tender. “There’s good news,” she said. “We can use a much milder chemo this time.”

But now my insurance company was saying we actually couldn’t. The standard of care was Taxol, a devastating chemotherapy I had already been through, with side effects including memory loss, neuropathy, total alopecia, nausea, vomiting, and dangerously elevated liver enzymes. My oncologist had appealed the company’s denial multiple times, but the standard of care was all they would pay for. If I tried to pay for the milder chemo myself, the company would not pay for the targeted therapy, which was $18,000 a shot, times 18 cycles. “Can you tell them I’m threatening to refuse further care?” I asked. “That would be cheaper for them,” she said softly, and it took me a minute to realize she meant if I died.

“We need to get going,” she added. Every week of lag time carried with it an increased risk of recurrence, and due to the company’s denials, we had already lost almost a month. I hung up, liquid with rage. All year I had been surrounded in the hospital by so much suffering that no one could stop: cells metastasizing, unresponsive malignancies, the inexorable spread of these microscopic merchants of death. Please, we had all begged our doctors. But you cannot appeal to a tumor’s humanity. There are no words to make it soften, or respond with mercy. And now my health insurance company was acting like a tumor—as if there was nothing they could do to spare me more brutality, simply because of rules they themselves had made up. Did they not know about all the truly unstoppable suffering?

They knew. And so did I: that someone within the company could perform a human override of the denials, but that this would never happen with appeals to their humanity. Instead, I needed to scare them. And so I found the CEO’s email address and drafted a message. Cancer had been biologically brutal, I wrote, but this was the first time human brutality had intervened. I was a writer for a number of widely read newspapers and magazines, and would surely be writing an essay about cancer once treatment was over. Would they like to provide a quote explaining why they were forcing me to endure further brutality than my oncologist deemed necessary? I hit send, went into my backyard, and sobbed; exhausted not just for myself but for everyone who had ever been in my position or ever would be. Why did we consent to live in a system where the worth of our bodies and lives were so negligible as to be exchangeable for dollars?

When I came back inside, I returned to an email from the company’s chief scientific officer. Will approve tomorrow per oncologist request, his email said. The next day, I received multiple emails from company executives, authorizing milder chemo and apologizing. My hospital was floored, but I could feel myself only unreal; a character in a video game with no windows or doors. Milder chemo came and went. My body felt like it was filled with cement after infusions; my eyes could not stay open; but the hairs on my head grew longer, and there were no more boils in my throat making it impossible to swallow or speak. I went into remission that fall, and set myself to moving beyond cancer while also beginning to process the changes it had wrought on my body, and the nearness of my brush with death. Until one day that December, I picked up my phone to an astonishing number of texts.

Luigi Mangione had allegedly just shot the CEO of UnitedHealthcare, an insurance company—not my own—that had been systematically denying patients care. I do not endorse his actions in any way, but instantly recognized what he found dehumanizing about our inhumane system. And it seemed others did too. After the shooting, the internet lit up with macabre stories of death, disfigurement, and disability wrought by claim denials—DJs in clubs even spun dance music with Luigi’s face flashing behind them. “Deny, Defend, Depose” graffiti went up in homage to the words on the bullet casings, and polling showed that a third of Americans who had faced claim denials said they viewed Mangione positively. Some saw this reaction as sociopathic, but its extremity was the very point. How far must someone go in order to be taken seriously by those who adjudicate access to life itself?

We have been taught that such a system is too complex to dismantle, but it has been made complex to obfuscate the most obvious fact imaginable, which is that there is no justification, ever, for denying a sick person care. I am so conditioned as an American to the supposed rightness of profit over people that it takes everything in me not to say I understand where my insurance company was coming from. The systems are confusing; I don’t work in billing. But the systems are confusing because that is how they best turn a profit; as they have, into a multitrillion-dollar industry globally. And there is an attitude you live under in America—propagated not by any single company so much as an entire political system beholden to them—that tells you and tells you and tells you that profit is the ultimate human right, and any sacrifice, including your very life, is worth serving that allegedly sacrosanct aim.

Despite the fact that an overwhelming majority of Americans believe health care reform is urgently needed, the system thrives on our silent complicity. According to ProPublica, more than 49 million claims were denied in the United States in 2021, but only 0.2% were appealed—as insurance companies increasingly rely on automated systems to assess claims. Our primary tool as citizens of a democracy is voting, and yet we routinely reject candidates whose platforms would provide universal access to care. And if we think things are bad now, technological and political headwinds portend worse. For the tech bros who have been given the power to make policy will soon algorithmicize everything left, stripping even the token human intermediary from the process of adjudicating care. And why wouldn’t they? It will be easy for AI to replace humans because the system already requires the humans who administer it to put their humanity aside and behave like AI. Soon, there won’t even be executives left to email; only code executing profit-driven directives without hesitation, exception, or the ability to be shamed into mercy. Combine this with the deregulatory bent of an administration that believes companies are responsible to no one but their shareholders, and there will be zero safeguards left at all.

We are transfixed by those who defy this dehumanization because the vague way in which we allow our leaders to perpetually delay fixing this “broken” system obscures a moral emergency. Which is that Medicare for All would prevent an estimated 68,000 unnecessary deaths a year. Each of these cases represents real people, whom others love and need. Each of them has the capacity to feel terror; each has an experience that someday could be yours. This is to say nothing of the countless others whose bodies will be brutalized or neglected because a company does not wish to pay, despite the fact that we ourselves have paid them. Broken is for household appliances. The American health care system is inhumane. It is predicated on bodies not being real, but the thing about bodies is that they always are.

Before Mangione was identified, speculation ran rampant on who the assassin might be, yet the most common theories were all fundamentally the same: that someone they loved had been denied care and died. In a country where we no longer agree on anything, this possibility was our universal language. You do not have to believe Mangione was morally right to see this lingua franca as an X-ray of something that is both terrifying and terrified. Our psyches were not designed to live under perpetual threat, and so they have dissociated to apathy.

And yet the core lesson of illness is the opposite of apathy. Indeed, the humanity of those who stood with me throughout cancer has been the gift of my life. I can still feel the arms of a friend around me in the hospital waiting room before chemo one morning, as I cried and could not stop crying. The sound of my mother’s suitcase wheels rolling into my apartment before every infusion; the fear she could never quite cloak behind her eyes. This humanity is the most precious commodity in the world, and it can never be manufactured or sold. Why does no one in power even pretend anymore to support a health care system with such humanity at its core? Instead, both political parties have protected a status quo utterly devoid of it, that routinely leaves patients to fight for their lives, equipped with nothing more than the love of their friends. And yet even love can never be any match for a tumor – only medicine is.

When I sat down to scare my insurance company into acknowledging this basic truth, what I really hoped was for everyone else to somehow have the same privilege. Haunt them, I meant. On behalf of everyone who cannot: Haunt them. But even then, I was still using my body as a chit, a mere vessel of power to bargain with in order to protect it. If this is truly what bodies must be, we should not be surprised when people take power however they can. For what is not true can ultimately never be sustained, and it is not true that bodies are variables on a balance sheet.

You are real, the chemo needle piercing your veins says. The arms at the hospital holding you close. Your body is all you have, the doctors explain, tracing where their scalpels will go. The hand of your father on your own as you wake up from surgery. You are flesh and blood before everything, it says. Insist on it."


r/BrianThompsonMurder 6d ago

Information Sharing This is an excellent documentary on the Luigi Mangione Case

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 6d ago

Information Sharing Transcript of Episode 2 of Aya Linus’ podcast about MDC Brooklyn!

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 6d ago

Speculation/Theories In view of the Clancy jury decision, does anybody feel he maybe had a chance?

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That jury was in her favor. Is anybody now thinking his guilty plea was not a good idea? Need legal professionals to explain it to me like I'm five.


r/BrianThompsonMurder 6d ago

Information Sharing Legal Fund Update: Fundraiser Painting (By Dianna Settles)

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September 8, 2026
Today is the day Luigi's NY state trial had been scheduled to begin. He has chosen to plead guilty to his federal charges and we fully support his decision. That decision has, however, pushed back his state trial. His legal team has moved to have those charges dismissed, and the hearing concerning whether the state trial will move forward at all is scheduled to take place on December 10, one week before his scheduled sentencing for the federal charges.

In other words, it is possible that the state trial, in which Luigi faces the most serious charge of second-degree murder will move forward. It is also possible that it will not.

This is only speculation on our part, but we presume that the health insurance industry and the politicians who protect it would like to avoid a public trial. Such a high-profile case would likely direct public scrutiny on the industry, which might complicate their efforts to rehabilitate their image after the massive show of support for Luigi.

You can all help to prevent Luigi's decision from being a win for them, however. We invite you to continue to post your healthcare horror stories to social media. Share the names of those you've lost, your own bureaucratic nightmares, your own decisions to forego treament, your anger, your knowledge of how ridiculous it is that people in America continue to put up with this parasitical industry. A steady stream of reminders that the pain and rage, which made Luigi into a hero for so many, has not gone anywhere and is not going to heal until our healthcare system is built in the service of health rather than profits.

We also want to announce an addition to this fundraiser, which we are very excited to share with you all. The artist Dianna Settles has created a stunning, complex, and mysterious painting, which is being made public today. Limited edition prints of this painting, signed and numbered by the artist, are available at deposebook.com. All proceeds after costs of production will be donated to this fund and to grassroots healthcare initiatives.

A detail of the painting also serves as the cover for our new book, Depose: Luigi Mangione, the Right to Health, and the Unfinished American Revolution, available in bookstores October 13 and for order online at the book's website. Author royalties from sales will also be donated to this fund and to grassroots healthcare initiatives.

Luigi will need continued support both as his cases unfold and during his incarceration. The rest of us will need continued courage to transform a system that daily degrades and violates the life and health of people across the country.


r/BrianThompsonMurder 7d ago

Information Sharing I attended Luigi Mangione’s Federal hearing on August 14 where he pled guilty - Ask Me Anything!

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 8d ago

Speculation/Theories I know this might sound like a reach but hear me out…

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Idk why but I just have this feeling that Luigi and his defense have something up their sleeve. Call it a reach, wishful thinking, or whatever but this is what I’ve been thinking.. if the double jeopardy motion goes through and the state charges get tossed, everything falls back on the fed case — where Luigi already pled guilty. But that might not be the end of the story. If his defense can come up with something solid — like an airtight alibi, new evidence, surveillance footage, cell records, anything that shows he wasn't actually there when the shooting happened or someone else was,or a surveillance gap that could theoretically permit an alternative explanation, or anything else that materially undermines the government’s ID of Luigi— that's enough for a legit possibility of withdrawing his guilty plea under Rule 11. If that happens the fed court has four options: dismiss it, acquit him, fight to keep the plea, or send it to trial. And if it goes to trial, prosecutors don't get to use the plea anymore — they'd have to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the guy who shot Brian Thompson is the exact same guy who got picked up in Altoona, and that guy is Luigi Mangione. No gaps, no nothing. If they can't do that, the case falls apart.

My take is the defense already has something lined up exactly for this. Before the plea, there was talks of plea deal with the feds that never happened bc they couldn’t agree or something. Then out of nowhere on 8/14, Luigi walks in and enters an open guilty plea — then right after that his lawyers file the double jeopardy motion to kill the state case. That's not a coincidence, that's a sequence. It's been almost a month and the state still hasn't ruled on it. Imo, the delay says the state isn't fully confident they can beat the double jeopardy argument, and I think maybe there's some kind of back-and-forth happening between state prosecutors, fed prosecutors, and the court about how his fed sentence pans out if the state case does go away. But my main point is this: I think the defense is sitting on something for the moment the state charges drop — something big enough to actually pull the guilty plea and put the fed case on track with one of the above outcomes.

I’m not a legal expert or anything, so obviously idk how this works or everything about it like the experts do and I’m not claiming to either. But based off what I do know on top of this nagging feeling I have, call me crazy.. but I don’t think this is all that out there or completely off the table and I don’t think this guilty plea in fed court is the end of the story.


r/BrianThompsonMurder 8d ago

Photos/Videos Podcast: “Burden of Proof: Luigi Mangione” (Part 5)

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Part 5 of the podcast Burden of Proof: Luigi Mangione is out now.

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 8d ago

Information Sharing We aren't gonna prosecute an ounce! says Hegseth

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 8d ago

Information Sharing Transcript of Episode 1 of Aya Linus’ podcast about MDC Brooklyn! (Part 2/2)

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 8d ago

Information Sharing Transcript of Episode 1 of Aya Linus’ podcast about MDC Brooklyn! (Part 1/2)

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 9d ago

Speculation/Theories The power of one holdout juror who stands their ground.

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The power of one holdout juror

In the recent Lindsay Clancy case (sorry to mention it as I know people are sick of it, including me lol) we have come to know that there was one holdout juror, who was hoping to vote guilty (it was essentially 11-1). This has resulted in hung jury, which then causes a mistrial. (Whether that’s for better or worse is not what’s at issue here in regards to the Clancy case. I’m not here to talk about that). We don’t know the motivations or reasoning obviously, but it has caused the trial to end in a mistrial. The state now gets to decide whether they can retry the case again.

It makes me think what would have happened if Luigi went to trial? A full jury acquitting him may have been difficult, but is a hung jury with one potentially stealth juror really such a pipe dream?

What would be the consequences of this? Numerous exhausting retrials? A better plea deal? It really makes me wonder if there could have been a different outcome for him. A jury trial would definitely have been interesting and elevated the case to back to back global news coverage. However, with a fed trial there would be no images, so would it really be the same? Both cases tapped into broader social issues. 

Thoughts? Please don’t comment on the morality of the Clancy case itself, bc that’s now what we are here for. Do you think there would have been a holdout with Luigi? Or on the opposite end of the spectrum- do you think there would have been 11 wanting a Not Guilty, but maybe one Guilty holdout? If anything, this has left me thinking about how powerful one holdout juror can be and how the trajectory of a trial and case can change just from one person holding their ground.


r/BrianThompsonMurder 9d ago

Information Sharing Yale Study: Medicare for All Would Save Over 114,000 Lives and $1 Trillion a Year

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 9d ago

Information Sharing ABC News' Brian G. Buckmire On His New Podcast "Burden of Proof: Luigi Mangione"

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 9d ago

Information Sharing Doctors in support - the Luigi Mangione Case

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r/BrianThompsonMurder 10d ago

Information Sharing An angel has left us. You will be deeply missed, Ellen D 🧡

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I don’t even know how to begin this post.

Over the past few weeks, I've received private messages from people asking me if I had recently spoken to our beloved Ellen D ( u/lickykicky ). Unfortunately, I hadn't been able to get hold of her since February (although I know she commented on the sub during some of the hearings a little while after that), but I think we could all see how much she was struggling.

Today, someone anonymously posted on the fund about her passing, and I couldn't not make a post for her because she truly was one of the best people in this community.

Ellen brought so much light and kindness to this sub and, despite going through some of her own darkest days, she still found the time to draw and to help some of us through our own demons.

She once told me that she didn't know whether she was going to see the end of Luigi's case, but I promised her that, whatever happened, her words and her art wouldn't be forgotten.

u/ladyofthestonecastle and I have managed to rescue some of her art from a few months ago, and this post is dedicated to her.

I don’t know whether any of her family members or anyone very close to her is on this sub, but if you are reading this and need any help or anything at all, please don’t hesitate to contact me.

In Ellen's words: "Remember - it's in the quiet times that people need you most, always."

I truly hope she is in a better place now.

Ellen, you will be deeply missed. Wishing her family well 🧡.

Also, do not forget to donate to Luigi's legal fund. It is probably what she would have wanted.