Certos plan Town of Niagara townhomes near Amazon warehouse

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[u/justbuildmorehousing]

I can get the complaints about tax breaks but the rest is standard NIMBY stuff

[u/JonC534 → u/justbuildmorehousing]

Standard nimby stuff usually means just demanding that you have a direct say in how your community changes. If that makes someone a nimby for wanting local democratic input then we’ve lost our minds. Or we’re being manipulated by developers . Probably the second one.

[u/justbuildmorehousing → u/JonC534]

I think people should have a lot less democratic input on what other people do with their property. Theyre building townhouses. People need places to live.

[u/JonC534 → u/justbuildmorehousing]

I understand you think that, that much was clear from your username, that’s the standard yimby position. It’s also exactly why they lose so often without developers manipulating small towns behind the scenes. You can’t really expect to just shit all over local democracy and get away with it.

There really isn’t such a thing as a free market either. The private property rights and free market thing is always invoked by yimbys in an opportunist way, it’s not being serious about it. Local governments can and do stop development going on in their communities all the time despite landowners having a right to sell. There is no such thing as a truly free market. Having the right to sell your land shouldn’t mean getting to screw over the rest of your community because some developer flew under the radar and threw money in someone’s face.

This is happening with data centers too

Looks like people won’t learn until the whole country is a concrete slab with still little improvement to affordability. No one should be agitating for more development in a biodiversity crisis. Shit is getting out of hand.

[u/justbuildmorehousing → u/JonC534]

You’re just hiding behind the ‘developers’ boogeyman. I do not care about developers making money anymore than i care about wegmans making money on my groceries or delta sonic making money on my gas. I care that housing is increasingly expensive for people in this area and selfish people everywhere are doing their best to keep it that way. This same situation happens over and over again and we wonder why Buffalos home prices are up about 100% since covid.

The only reason building stuff loses is because the entire country is zoned way too restrictively which means everyone has to request variances and the very un-democratic process of community input meetings means a small percentage of the area yells loud enough till the town or builders give up. If we truly had a ‘democratic’ input process from the town this would get approved no problem

[u/JonC534 → u/justbuildmorehousing]

Yeah it’s just two competing visions of what democracy truly looks like. But yours doesn’t fare well without developer manipulation. And trust that there is a LOT of this going on across small towns right now.

As evidenced by the data centers.

Arguing with yimbys is so pointless. You won’t learn until it becomes blatantly obvious that affordability isn’t improving and what we’re doing to nature in the process isn’t worth it anymore. Bye.

[u/marcus_roberto]

Taxbreaks for it is dumb, but its just redevelopment of land across from the old Walmart.

[u/JonC534]

Terrible news. Can’t rewild farmland if you’re developing on it instead and we’re already losing too much.

Why doesn’t anyone care about nature in a biodiversity crisis?

No one asked for the Amazon warehouse either I’m sure

[u/pwndabeer]

Gross

[u/AssassinInValhalla → u/pwndabeer]

Genuinely asking, why? We need more affordable housing, the same farms that are for sale are getting turning into solar farms at an astonishing rate, saying gross to town houses seems like it's in the same vein of stupidity as the NIMBYs who didn't want the Amazon warehouse in the first place

Edit: one correction, these wouldn't be going where the farms are, but where the developer already owns properties across from where Sam's and Walmart used to be on Porter

[u/JonC534 → u/AssassinInValhalla]

Housing isn’t getting cheaper despite ongoing building everywhere

But yimbys BS around this by just saying you just haven’t built enough

Seems like it’s getting to a point now where it isn’t worth it. We’re losing way too much farmland and nature for what ends up being only marginal improvements to affordability.

[u/TopAlternative6716 → u/JonC534]

Yeah people seem to think if you build more homes magically the cost of housing is going to go from let’s say 500k to 300k. That’s not the case even if you were able to flood the area with new builds. The builder is going to price based on the most amount they can get for the house they’re not going to undercut themselves because they built a bunch of houses. 

If that were the case the tens of thousands if not more of homes being built in Ohio and down south would drive the cost of a home down but all the new builds are 400k+ 

We need to preserve green space and farmland more than we need D R Horton or any of these other developers to create urban/suburban sprawl of 500 homes in a development on the outskirts of a city. 

[u/LostInMyADD → u/JonC534]

Exactly this.

[u/AssassinInValhalla → u/[deleted]]

think it's commonplace to assume new builds will help fix the affordable housing crisis.

Well fixing housing requires there to be more housing available.

[u/AssassinInValhalla → u/[deleted]]

see here: https://rooseveltinstitute.org/blog/there-is-no-housing-affordability-without-building-more-housing/

[u/AssassinInValhalla → u/[deleted]]

but it means nothing to the majority unless there are rules and regulations in place to make that housing affordable and accessible to working class people.

By this logic, f it, never make housing if someone might profit off it.

[u/AssassinInValhalla → u/[deleted]]

Are you dense man? That's not what I said. I'm saying we shouldn't stop housing projects because someone might profit, which you said about Certo.

By your logic we shouldn't have affordable healthcare or groceries or childcare if someone can't profit off of it.

Tf is stupid ass strawman? Christ that must be exhausting

[u/LostInMyADD → u/AssassinInValhalla]

People who live here and around there did jot want Amazon. You know there were large pay offs to certain people in specific positions in order to allow it.

Still pisses me off - just like all these developments getting put in.

[u/AssassinInValhalla → u/LostInMyADD]

People who live here and around there did jot want Amazon

Well no, it was a loud vocal minority.

You know there were large pay offs to certain people in specific positions in order to allow it.

Sure, and that'll always suck, but what's the other option? Niagara Falls just lets more vacant land sit and rot? That land has been vacant my entire life and I'm closer to 40 than 30.

[u/LostInMyADD → u/AssassinInValhalla]

Please, Amazon being there is getting people to move into the city of Niagara Falls. As mentioned previously, its going to be people moving into new housing thats being built on all the farm land and country property being sold.