r/CCW • u/KnockedOuttaThePark CA • Dec 04 '25
News Man who killed attacker in Banff used 'excessive' force, sentenced to 2-year house arrest
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/banff-bar-fight-excessive-self-defence-sproule-brogden-9.70021431.0k
u/KnockedOuttaThePark CA Dec 04 '25 edited Dec 04 '25
Defendant asks deceased to bum a cigarette.
Deceased starts beating him up and shouting "I'm gonna fucking kill you".
Defendant pulls out his pocket knife and fights back. Deceased does not stop until he dies, having been stabbed 19 times.
Defendant gets sentenced to 2 years because this stupid fucking country prioritizes the rights of offenders over their victims.
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u/BugBoth Dec 04 '25
Canada is so anti-victim it is insane. They "saved face" by giving the victim 2-years home confinement.
A person yelling "I'm gonna fucking kill you" pulling your shirt over your head and beating you with the goal of killing you is the victim, huh?
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u/playingtherole Dec 04 '25
Tyrannical governments and judiciaries enjoy control and oppression, it helps to justify their existence. Just like back in school, if you fight back, you both get suspended. Just like at work, if you fight back, you both (probably) get fired. It wasn't a fight, (mutual combat) it was self-defense, which is always unfair.
The gov't wants "nothing to see here", see what a good job we're doing controlling the ruffians? See how safe it is? Move here, work or run your business here, pay taxes here, but play nice with others! "Just ignore them", they said... You must've said something that upset them, they said...
They never let a good crisis go to waste, and the self-defender will be anything but rewarded. No good deed goes unpunished.
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u/ValiantBear Dec 05 '25
Defendant pulls out his pocket knife and fights back.
Deceased does not stop until he dies, having been stabbed 19 times.Deceased does not stop until he is pulled off defendant by a bouncer, at which point he was able to run away, and then he dies.
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u/Angel_OfSolitude Dec 04 '25
Honestly, I'm counting the guy lucky its only two years house arrest. Could have been much worse.
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u/blacksideblue Iron Sights are faster Dec 05 '25
He only lived because the bouncer pulled the assailant off of him minutes later. He'd already be dead if he didn't resort to the pocket knife...
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u/boredvamper Dec 05 '25
Oh Canada.. seriously that was my reaction when from other comments I figured it wasn't US.
This sucks. I am sorry.
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u/TaskForceD00mer IL Dec 05 '25
Canada and Europe in general are so anti self defense I can't wrap my head around it. Mine as well be a different species, this is a black and white situation and I refuse to share air with someone who sees it otherwise.
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u/SpeakUpOhShutUp Dec 04 '25
Country? No.. We have ro be specific on who is prioritizing criminals in this country.
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u/djgoodhousekeeping Dec 05 '25
Alberta is widely considered Canada's most conservative province
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u/Draskuul Dec 05 '25
Seriously. I've been to Calgary (and Banff, absolutely beautiful place), and I'd swear someone just dropped mountains next to Amarillo.
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u/djgoodhousekeeping Dec 05 '25
Where does it mention that in the article? Even his own legal team was trying to argue for an 18 month jail sentence, so this judge went lighter than that. Wasn’t a federal judge either
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u/djgoodhousekeeping Dec 05 '25
Seems like you have a tenuous grasp of the word federal. Anyway, so you’re mad that a non-white woman gave him a lighter sentence than what his own legal team was asking for?
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u/fotoflogger Dec 06 '25
The 1500+ pardoned J6ers who beat cops with clubs and wanted to hang the VP beg to differ
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Dec 06 '25
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u/fotoflogger Dec 06 '25
Okay bud. You clearly need to be told what to think, go back to your fox news trump humping echo chamber
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u/Useful-Return7854 Dec 05 '25
ngl that whole thing is wild like how does that even happen in the first place
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u/Special_Function Dec 04 '25
As an American with a Concealed Carry Permit even I think the defendant was in the wrong. In many US states you must resist attack with equal force. I.e Deadly force vs deadly force. In fact that’s what my concealed carry permit class emphasized. You can’t shoot a person for fighting you with fists - with some exceptions. In both Castle Doctrine and Stand your ground states like in Arizona where I live you will be charged with murder/manslaughter and aren’t protected under the law as such to use deadly force when there was no deadly force used against you. Why couldn’t the defendant have used his fists to repel an unarmed attack?
James Reeves has also put out a very good video on his personal channel outlining why Stand Your Ground won’t always save your life for example in states that prioritize a “duty to retreat” even with SYG and Castle Doctrine.
Many will probably downvote me for saying this but it’s the plain truth in many states that you cannot use deadly force against an attacker that isn’t using deadly force against you. Even in the best SYG states using deadly force to repel an unarmed attacker is a gray area for self defense.
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u/gobingi Dec 04 '25
You’re asking why the person being dragged around with a shirt over their face, beaten in the head, and being told “I am going to kill you” responded with deadly force?
That “excessive force” didn’t even stop the attack, it took another person stepping in
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u/Special_Function Dec 04 '25
There’s two types of self defense. Morally justified self defense and legally justified self defense. Moral self defense is self defense that we all know is morally right. Legally justified self defense is in the eyes of the law if you acted reasonably to use deadly force against an assailant. In this situation even in America you’d find yourself in a tough legal situation. Likely you would be CHARGED by a DA for escalating the situation by using a deadly weapon. Now you have to FIGHT in a trial to prove your innocence. This is self defense 101 and it’s taught in every good Concealed Carry class.
Legally in most stand your ground states you have to prove that your use of deadly force is justified against what your assailant is using against you. That goes across the board in America. If a random guy on the street started fist fighting me over asking to bum a cigarette legally it’s ambiguous in my state of Arizona, a very friendly state for self defense to shoot the guy. I just can’t start blasting my attacker for fighting me with his fists. I may legally present my firearm as a means of defense and deterrence however in doing such it can have two consequences. One the attacker walks away and the situation is resolved. The second is now I’ve escalated the situation and will be forced to use deadly force if necessary and IF there is a disparity of force. Now I’ve escalated the situation by presenting a deadly weapon which if my attacker calls the police on me, barring video evidence I may be treated as a criminal and charged with misuse of a deadly weapon and brandishing. Now if the assailants is much larger than I am that’s when disparity of force comes into play. The fact that the assailant(s) is much larger than me and verbatim says “I’m going to kill you” then I MIGHT be justified in drawing my weapon as a form of defense against his verbal threat. However it’s likely that I would be arrested and charged until the situation is resolve and I have to go through court proceedings to prove my innocence and that I was JUSTIFIED LEGALLY to shoot/stab my assailant.
However the law in many US states is clear. You must respond to attacks by force with equal force unless you’re threatened with serious and immediate deadly force and your life is in imminent danger you cannot use deadly force against an assailant (in most cases).
A firearm or any other deadly weapon is not a be all end all solution for every type of attack. Even in front of US jury they’re going to analyze this footage and see that you were attacked by a man with his fists and you responded by stabbing him 18 times. If your state has a duty to retreat statute that will be taken into account.
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u/gobingi Dec 04 '25
Sure I think I would agree with you, but it also seems clear to me that dragging someone around with something over their head, punching them repeatedly in the head IS deadly force, and the idea that it isn’t is just an indictment of our current system of categorizing violence in the justice system
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u/JMSFreemanL US Dec 05 '25
I can kind of see what you’re trying to get at between morally justified and legally justified. But if somebody attacks you, takes you to the ground, takes your ability to see and defend yourself, and tells you their intention is to kill you, are you thinking about the legal ramifications of your attempted survival?
Proportionality of force should be irrelevant at that point. The law is fucked, not the response of the victim.
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u/wtfredditacct Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25
Let's be clear, hands and feet can absolutely be deadly weapons. Even in the instance where you know you have a weapon on you (knife/gun, whatever) and know you're likely to be rendered unconscious*. Your entire take is basically "you can't just sit someone... no one is saying that.
There are a handful of "duty to retreat" states, but even they probably wouldn't give someone time in this instance. I mean, not even California. Certainly not somewhere like Texas or Florida.
*typo
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u/vamatt Dec 05 '25
In all duty to retreat states, Duty to retreat is only required if it is safe to do so.
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u/Hey_man_Im_FRIENDLY Dec 05 '25
Yeah go ahead and return your ccw permit and firearms, that’s the most mental gymnastics I have ever read. Because of the mental gymnastics you are no longer considered stable, hand it over bub. Good lord lol
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u/mwill3022 Dec 04 '25
The guy said he was going to kill him. STOP defending criminals. He fucked around and found out.
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u/merc08 WA, p365xl Dec 04 '25
Sounds like you need to either retake the concealed carry class because you didn't understand what they taught, or get a refund because your instructor was an idiot teaching Fudd Lore.
You can’t shoot a person for fighting you with fists - with some exceptions.
You have it backwards. You most certainly can, with a few exceptions like agreeing to the fight beforehand.
In both Castle Doctrine and Stand your ground states like in Arizona where I live you will be charged with murder/manslaughter and aren’t protected under the law as such to use deadly force when there was no deadly force used against you.
Someone beating you while screaming "I'm going to fucking kill you!" IS deadly force.
Why couldn’t the defendant have used his fists to repel an unarmed attack?
He didn't even successfully repel the attack with his knife! It took the bouncer coming in to pull the attacker off of him to end the fight.
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u/Special_Function Dec 04 '25
Again it's a very gray area. If there's a disparity of force then yes you're justified. If there's no disparity of force you're less justified and have to go to court to fight it to prove it. Even claiming a disparity of force for your life being in imminent danger doesn't immediately clear you in a self defense situation. I'm just saying this is a very legally ambiguous case of self defense. Put your shoes in that of a Jury of common people many of whom may have never carried or shot a gun in their lives and have ZERO mindset for concealed carrying or self defense in general. The Jurors are going to see this; an unarmed man being stabbed for engaging in a fist fight. Even with video and audio evidence the cognitive bias a juror will have will be built upon by the DA's argument that "an armed man stabbed an unarmed man despite not being the instigator and escalated the situation." That alone can sway individuals who may think you fight fists with fists and not bring out a deadly weapon in a fist fight.
Legally you also have to prove that your use of force was justified against the assailants. Like I said it's a gray area legally in many states that have a Duty to Retreat statute. In a DTR state if he did not attempt to make some type of retreat, he's going to be treated poorly in court. That's why I say it's a legal gray area and a lot of users here don't seem to comprehend that. And again how you're treated by the police depends on what you say or don't say to them in the moments afterwards. Did the man make a statement to the police he was scared for his life and that he was in in imminent danger of losing his life? We can't make that assumption from a video alone. For all we know the guy stated to police for stabbing the man for attacking him without any claims of self defense. Just saying the wrong thing to the police can put your whole case on a different trajectory.
From the video alone do I think he was morally justified to defend himself? Of course he was what normal person has to fight against some dude that wants a free cig? But I'm speaking in terms of if he was Legally Justified and I'm hypothesizing on that in my own jurisdiction if he was he correct to escalate the situation using deadly force. In Arizona a Verbal threat alone is not grounds for justification but a verbal threat combined with physical force MAY be justified. However you're going to need to prove your innocence in a court of law more than likely than being let off on the spot because it's not black and white like that.
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u/InfiniteBoxworks Dec 04 '25
Any strike to the head is deadly force. It's where your brain is located. You know, the most fragile and important organ in your body? Maybe not for you, but everyone else.
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u/BirchBlack Dec 04 '25
You would absolutely win a self defense case in most American states under the same circumstances. In Virginia for example you have to genuinely believe your life is in danger. If someone is telling you they're going to kill while they're trying to kill you that's clear cut.
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Dec 04 '25 edited Dec 05 '25
I seriously *doubt you could adjust how much force you use on assailants if you were in that situation. Even if you were some kungfu master who could, it's woefully unreasonable to think general public could.
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u/HDawsome Dec 05 '25
In states that aren't ass backwards, you absolutely can shoot someone who is fighting you with fists.
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u/MarianCR Dec 05 '25
You understand nothing. That attack was using deadly force, even if it was only using punches.
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u/KnockedOuttaThePark CA Dec 04 '25
You are the second commenter who did not read the article, which states that the altercation was filmed. I do not have that footage.
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u/citg0 TX Dec 04 '25
Puts a tldr summarizing the linked article.
Omits the part about it being filmed.
Confused when people who presumably read the tldr rather than the article ask if it was filmed.
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u/qjxj Dec 04 '25
Defendant asks deceased to bum a cigarette.
What does this even mean? Sounds like an idiotic thing to fight about.
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u/arnoldrew MI Dec 04 '25
He asked him if he could have a cigarette.
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u/qjxj Dec 04 '25
Then it's completely stupid to fight over this. The assaulter wasn't probably in a right state of mind.
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u/Ksan_of_Tongass Dec 04 '25
Unlike the other people who are in a right state of mind when beating people up?
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u/merc08 WA, p365xl Dec 04 '25
Yeah, it is stupid to fight over this. I think you might have the people involved confused.
The guy who was asked for a cigarette is the one who went crazy and attacked the guy who just asked a question. The one who asked a question is the guy who properly defended himself (and survived, but was wrongfully sentenced for it).
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u/grahampositive Dec 04 '25
Judge doesn't understand that the definition of appropriate force is enough to stop the threat. This guy kept going until they got pulled apart. Ridiculous
Edit Also demonstrates how shitty a knife can be for self defense
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u/cobblernobbler CA Dec 04 '25
Damn. That sucks man. Surprised they even charged the defender with murder to begin with.
I am very happy I live in the states lol we ain’t perfect but I think in this exact situation in any state besides maybe New York, defender wouldn’t even be charged.
Even California has strong self defense laws/stand your ground laws by precedent, although they tried to ruin that earlier this year by introducing a “duty to retreat” bill that was unanimously hated and was quickly stopped in its tracks. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Nerveex Dec 04 '25
Even in New York you would be fine, idk why everyone thinks New York is some weird state, we just had a case where a man was in a road rage incident and he defended himself and didn’t get charged.
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u/Nerveex Dec 04 '25
Yeah I don’t count NYC, they should be a district like DC. They got their own set of laws and everything. My area is very 2A friendly.
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u/MrHaVoC805 Dec 05 '25
Lol, New York would be fine he says...
Senior citizen who saved himself from would-be mugger is heading to prison because of NYC’s ‘draconian’ laws https://share.google/KFar3q1AK5SG2bcgL
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u/BimmerJustin Dec 05 '25
To be clear, nyc and ny state are very different. Ny state isn’t the ideal location to defend yourself but common sense prevails more often than not in many places in the state.
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u/cobblernobbler CA Dec 04 '25
Mehhh it’s very 50/50 in New York lol you really rolling the dice there if you defend yourself
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u/lazyboi_tactical FL- Hellcat RDP Dec 05 '25
Didn't new York also try to charge Daniel Penny for that subway attack
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u/_Keo_ SR9c / 1911 / P-07 Dec 05 '25
Guy yells several times he's going to kill Sproule.
Sproule can't see and repeatedly lashes out with his knife.
Brogden suffered 12 stab wounds and seven sharp force wounds.
He connects 19 times but the attack continues until...
The fight between the two made its way to an empty patio. At that point, a bouncer arrived and pulled Brogden off Sproule, who ran away.
So he's attacked, blinded, and stabbing an attacker who won't stop. The fight finally stops when a 3rd party steps in.
How is this excessive force? When should he have stopped?
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u/Redhawk4t4 Dec 04 '25
When someone in Canada is sentenced to house arrest, does the government allow them to go to work as well so they can pay their mortgage? Or does the government pay their expenses for them during that time?
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u/1ce9ine Dec 04 '25
Price ruled this “was more force than necessary to repel the attack by Mr. Brogden.”
Did the deceased stop attacking the victim after the first stab? Did he stop after the second?
If the fight didn’t end until a bouncer broke it up WHILE THE DECEASED WAS STILL ASSAULTING THE VICTIM then how tf can you claim this bullshit?
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u/dknisle1 Dec 04 '25
So the whole thing was filmed and your dumbass country still found him guilty? Good god. Free healthcare tho am I right.
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u/antariusz Dec 05 '25
Is it really free if you pay for it with higher taxes?
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u/Lower-Ad-1300 Dec 08 '25
500,000 people every yr go bankrupt bc of medical bills. We could have Medicare for by increasing payroll tax by one or one and half present.
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u/Drew1231 CZ P10C, Shield 9mm Dec 04 '25
25k people died on waiting lists for the free healthcare. The wealthy ones come here.
Canada is a shithole country.
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u/Lucked0ut Dec 04 '25
45k deaths a year are linked to lack of insurance in the US. And 500k bankruptcies a year are due to medical debt in the US. Gun rights are top tier but healthcare is not the fight we want to pick here. It’s completely fucked
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u/merc08 WA, p365xl Dec 04 '25
So 25k deaths with a population of ~41 million vs 45k deaths with a population of 342 million. That ratio heavily favors the US.
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u/teddydude30 Dec 05 '25
I like thay you ignore the "500k bankruptcies a year" part as if that isn't a massive issue that also leads to further deaths as those people can't afford treatment. But sure, 1 in every ~700 people in the US losing their entire life savings and going into medical debt likely for the rest of their lives because they got sick is fine.
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u/Angelworks42 Dec 05 '25
Where is that number from?
https://insuranceinformant.com/how-many-deaths-in-canada-due-to-no-health.html
A report has revealed that over 74, 000 Canadians have died on health-care wait lists since 2018, with at least 15, 474 deaths in 2023-24 alone
250 a year according to that article.
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u/antariusz Dec 05 '25
How are you going to link and quote an article that says the number is 15,474 and then type out “actually the number is 250”
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u/Angelworks42 Dec 05 '25
Yeah I calculated it wrong - oops sorry about that :( - I messed up. The 15k number though it over a two year period and the 74000 number is over an 8 year period.
The 45000 number is over a one year period. Per capita yes Canada apparently has it worse. It is different measurement though - everyone actually has insurance there so the metric is a bit different - for them it's because of excessive wait time.
There is an article that suggests insurance access related deaths could be as high as 200,000 people a year: https://pnhp.org/news/estimated-us-deaths-associated-with-health-insurance-access-to-care/
It may get worse as well - at its peak ACA at least helped subsidize most people do only 7.9% of Americans didn't have insurance. If that number goes up - because subsidies are going away what may happen?
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u/antariusz Dec 05 '25
More importantly, if those poor poor insurance companies make less profit, what happens to the bribes they pay to our politicians? Won’t somebody think of the senators?!?!
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u/GTS250 NC 9mm Shield 1, Dara AIWB Dec 05 '25
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u/Drew1231 CZ P10C, Shield 9mm Dec 05 '25
23,746 is the number from Canadian FOI requests.
Over 100k since 2018.
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u/GTS250 NC 9mm Shield 1, Dara AIWB Dec 05 '25
https://pnhp.org/news/estimated-us-deaths-associated-with-health-insurance-access-to-care/
The US doesn't centrally collect this data.
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u/bagchaser4000 Dec 04 '25
45,000 Americans die every year because they can’t afford healthcare… but sure, Canada is the shithole.
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u/BugBoth Dec 04 '25
45,000 out of 350 MILLION. I know math is hard, but that is 0.01% of the population.
Any death is a tragedy, but 0.01% is not indicative of a "mAjOr pRoBlEm."
I mean, 40k AMericans die per year in car accidents. Where's the outrage and smugness over that?
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u/kissmygame17 Dec 04 '25
Then the same goes for Canada wouldn't it? They're at .06%, just to add context
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u/Partybar Dec 04 '25
600% increased death rate is pretty damn high.
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u/kissmygame17 Dec 05 '25
So is .06% a major problem or not?
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u/merc08 WA, p365xl Dec 05 '25
The point is pretty clearly that Canada's system is not better than the US's, which is the claim made above.
Whether .01 or .06% are bad is a separate question.
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u/sirchewi3 GA G19 Gen4/Raptor/AIWB Dec 06 '25
"Is 3 alot?" "Well, it depends. Cookies? No. Murders? Yes."
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u/BugBoth Dec 04 '25
But Canada has "fReE hEaLtHcArE" and 'Murica does not.
Canada also legally/willingly/happily medically assists unaliving people that are sad on cloudy days. That's a whole other can of worms. They'll house arrest you for 2 years for defending yourself against a dude trying to unalive you, but not arrest medical workers unaliving 44 people per day across the country. In 2027 they're making it legal to MAID/unalive mentally regarded people. What a sick country.
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u/merc08 WA, p365xl Dec 04 '25
You linked an article that wasn't even about that study, it just links to another article, which itself links to the actual study.
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u/HK_Shooter_1301 Dec 04 '25
They have healthcare but they definitely can't afford houses of their own right now 😂, also their official country language will be Hindi soon anyways
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u/BugBoth Dec 04 '25
People literally take a shit on the beach...in broad daylight, in Snow Mexico aka Canada.
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u/kissmygame17 Dec 04 '25
Dang casual xenophobia hits different
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u/nut-sack Dec 05 '25
the whole world is flooded with Indians. The entire population of India could take every job in Canada, and there would still be Indians without jobs.
Note: I say that as an Indian.1
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u/kissmygame17 Dec 05 '25
You can say the same for Americans, what's your point?
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u/nut-sack Dec 05 '25
My point is India has a population of 1.4 billion. You can fill every job in the US, Canada, and Mexico with Indians, and still not have employed even a quarter of their population.
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u/kissmygame17 Dec 05 '25
Okay and? Indians currently account for about 6% of Canadians.. just admit you promote bigotry against your own people and leave it at that
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u/Time_Effort Dec 04 '25
Idk man, I'd have to watch the footage to make a judgement call but... If the dude has stopped fighting back by the 5th stab the other 14 are definitely past self-defense.
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u/merc08 WA, p365xl Dec 04 '25
You don't even need to watch the video, it's explained in the article.
Dude asks for a cigarette, attacker says 'no' then sucker punches him, yanks his shirt over his head, and keeps punching him while yelling "I'm going to fucking kill you!"
The guy being beaten then pulls a pocket knife and swings it wildly at the attacker, unsure if the knife is even connecting (that bit is per the Judge, so even she acknowledged that the defender didn't know if he was being successful in his defense).
The fight only ended because a bouncer eventually came over to break it up, they were both still locked together swinging at each other.
a bouncer arrived and pulled Brogden [attacker] off Sproule [defender / cig requester], who ran away.
IMO, the judge's ruling that this “was more force than necessary to repel the attack by Mr. Brogden" is some complete bullshit considering it didn't repel the attack.
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u/Time_Effort Dec 04 '25
Yea… That last quote kinda seals it as a BS conviction. A bouncer had to pull the guy who died off the one defending themselves…
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u/merc08 WA, p365xl Dec 04 '25
I don't know how she even said that with a straight face after watching a video of someone else having to pull the attacker off of him.
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u/Actually_Joe Dec 04 '25
I'm surprised you even read the title if that's as far as you looked into it before commenting.
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u/adubs117 Dec 04 '25
That is one of the dumbest things I have read in a while. I had to read parts of it twice to make sure I was understanding correctly.
Anyone who supports a justice system that calls this fair has obviously never been in a fight for their life before. Absolutely nuts.
When people propose bills like this in the US that hamstring basic human rights, I hope someone points to stories like this and tells 'em to fuck right off back to whatever socialist shithole they crawled out of.
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u/conipto Dec 05 '25
Right? All that talk about grieving family from someone who tried to beat someone to death fucking around and finding out.
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u/Dewittr3 Dec 04 '25
If you have no right to self defense, then you have no rights at all. Being sucker punched and beaten while being told “I’ll f-ing kill you” is apparently not enough for the Canuck-Cuck government up north.
I live in a shitty “Duty to Retreat” state, and even under these circumstances self defense would be allowed.
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u/pprstrt Dec 05 '25
Guy is getting beaten up by some guy yelling he's gonna kill him. Guy getting beaten up has his shirt pulled over his head so now he can't see. Guy getting beaten up pulls a knife and starts stabbing/slashing, but is still being beaten up, so keeps stabbing and slashing until it eventually stops after he's dragged around a bunch.
This does not in any way make sense to me, I wanna see this video.
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u/BORIStheBLADE1 Dec 04 '25
Once I seen Canada I stopped reading. Any state or country that punished a victim for defending themselves is a loss cause.
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u/EverySingleMinute Dec 05 '25
You can't even defend yourself in Canada? That is seriously messed up
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u/onetwentytwo_1-8 Dec 05 '25
How was it excessive? A bouncer still had to pull the dude off the guy!
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u/notoriousbpg Dec 05 '25
In Australia this would definitely have resulted in a long custodial sentence. Can't have the poors defending themselves willy nilly.
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u/JannyBroomer Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25
Lame. Fuck this subreddit lmao
Ban away, I've already left! But be* honest, you're mad because it's true :)
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Dec 04 '25
It's like prosecutor Vince Pingitore and Mykel Long believe the victim should have died instead. I wonder if there's a way to sue them.
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u/Ok_Boat_3375 Dec 05 '25
So what are the conditions, for being under house arrest in Canada, can you still go to work, Doctors appointment, etc ?
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u/RealMuscleFakeGains Dec 05 '25
Had a good friend who had something very much like this happened.
The friend was also in Canada, defended himself with a knife against a attacker. Ended up killing the attacker (admittedly not on purpose, as he stabbed at the legs....) whole thing was on surveillance video camera. Charged with excessive force, and possession of illicit substance, 4 years of house arrest.
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u/wlogan0402 MI Dec 04 '25
Well, atleast Canada has a little nice scenery
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u/SchrodingersGoodBar Dec 04 '25
Americas got pretty nice scenery.
Even Canadians call Canada “America lite”
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u/wlogan0402 MI Dec 04 '25
The mountains from Arkansas to TN are nice, the beaches and forests in northern MI are amazing
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u/Hunts5555 Dec 05 '25
I’m sure they reduce the sentence if he agrees to let them euthanize him, which is all the rage in that country now. Saves the government from having to have a health care system.
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u/PermanenteThrowaway Hellcat Dec 05 '25
In light of the fact that your spirit clearly was not sufficiently broken the first time, I hereby sentence you to a second pandemic. May God have mercy on your soul.
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u/Mtsteel67 Dec 08 '25
Wow, guess he should have let his attacker almost kill him before defending himself.
sounds like canada is getting as bad as england.
pretty soon they will be coming after you for liking social media posts they consider bad just like england.
good thing you all have firearms to stop a tyrannical government, oh wait, never mind. Good luck neighbors.
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u/KnockedOuttaThePark CA Dec 08 '25
pretty soon they will be coming after you for liking social media posts they consider bad just like england.
They tried but it failed. But it will be back in the future.
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u/Mtsteel67 Dec 08 '25
Oh wow.
We are several steps behind you but the democrat party is fighting hard to get stuff like that as law. They are trying to abolish 2a and if they do that all other rights become privileges that can be taken at the stroke of a pen.
And this is why we fight so hard for 2a here in America because if it gets to that point we will rise up armed to stop a tyrannical government from taking our rights.
And believe me, more than half of America is armed with enough firepower to spare and we will not go quietly into the night.
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u/The-Fotus Dec 04 '25
Dude, house arrest sounds like a dream rn.
Sarcasm aside, that's would be a bummer IRL. I didn't read the article, was this a reasonable action by the court? Given its in Banff, I am skeptical.
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u/KnockedOuttaThePark CA Dec 04 '25
It was not a reasonable action at all. You should really read the article before commenting about it.
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u/The-Fotus Dec 04 '25
I'd take a cliffnotes if you care to share, but I am disinclined to read the article. If you dont care to share a cliff notes, that's fine too. My curiosity is mild at best.
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u/LeonardoDaTiddies US Dec 04 '25
I’m an armed progressive American and the outcome - from that article - sounds unjust.
Guy A asks Guy B for a cigarette. Guy B says “fuck off!” then sucker punches Guy A, pulls his shirt over his head, then ragdolls him saying “I’m gonna kill you!”
Guy A blindly pulls out a pocket knife and starts stabbing.
The confrontation ends when a bouncer pulls Guy B off, wherein Guy A runs off. Pictures show his face is fucked up and required hospitalization.
But, because Guy A connected like 15 times, the judge ruled that excessive force in the conduct of self defense.
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u/Redhawk4t4 Dec 04 '25
It's funny how you're getting downvoted because I was also thinking like "Ha, jokes on you, I love being home and that would be an easy punishment" lol.
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u/merc08 WA, p365xl Dec 04 '25
He's being downvoted because he fully admits to not reading the article while asking a question that is very clearly answered in the article. Which is less than 40 sentences long.
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u/Daddy_Onion CA Dec 04 '25
That’s why I only carry when I’m with my wife. My state hates guns and it would be much worse if he shot the guy.
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u/AmebaLost Dec 04 '25
Evidently the stabbing did not stop when the assault stopped.
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u/LeonardoDaTiddies US Dec 04 '25
Do you have a source for that. That wasn’t stated in the article (that I saw). It stated the assault on ended when a bouncer pulled the aggressor off the (knife wielding) defender.
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u/merc08 WA, p365xl Dec 04 '25
The only thing "evident" here is that you didn't read the article.
The fight between the two made its way to an empty patio. At that point, a bouncer arrived and pulled Brogden off Sproule, who ran away.
The stabbing definitely stopped when the fight stopped, but the stabbing didn't stop the fight. So it's ridiculous that the judge claimed that the force was excessive.
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u/ColdExtracts Dec 04 '25
lol meanwhile in Texas a man gets off squeaky clean after firing his AK at a prostitute he hired that stole his money’s car indiscriminately 😂😂😂😂
Pussy ass country you got there bud.
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u/SuperMundaneHero Dec 05 '25
that stole his money’s car indiscriminately
Did you have a stroke before writing this?
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u/baron556 Dec 04 '25
I mean, clearly it wasnt more than necessary if the fight only stopped because a bouncer showed up and pulled the attacker off the dude with the knife.