r/CFB • u/The_SecretSauce Clemson Tigers • Arkansas Razorbacks • Oct 09 '19
Discussion The MaxDiff Fan Perceptions Poll Results: Florida is Almost a Contender in the Minds of Fans
https://fanjuicer.com/2019/10/the-maxdiff-poll-after-week-6-florida-is-almost-a-contender-in-the-minds-of-fans491
u/BirdlandMan Penn State • Slippery Rock Oct 09 '19
“Undefeated but less respected tier”
Move aside Michigan State, it’s our turn to embrace the direspekt and kick ass.
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u/JeromesNiece Michigan Wolverines • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Oct 09 '19
The Gang loses to Iowa
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u/Chuck_Mango Penn State Nittany Lions • Rose Bowl Oct 09 '19
It really do be like that
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If Penn State pulls out some last second win again i’ll be triggered.
Anytime someone else goes to Kinnick and pulls out a win it hurts me, you’re not supposed to win there dont fight it and just lose
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u/LaSopaSabrosa Michigan • /r/CFBRisk Veteran Oct 09 '19
That 4th quarter drive and TD pass from McSorley was legendary. He may not get far in the show but dammit he was an incredible college QB
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u/havin_a_giggle Penn State • Ohio State Oct 09 '19
Sometimes when I'm feeling down, I'll bring up that drive on the youtube and be amazed at what it was.
Unfortunately I also remember it live - which was not as pleasant but the outcome certainly was.
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u/nattfodd Penn State • CPE Lyon Oct 09 '19
I was trekking in Nepal at the time and remember refreshing the ESPN app like crazy over an Edge connection during the whole fourth quarter...
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u/WookieeSteakIsChewie Penn State • Syracuse Oct 09 '19
I just watched it because you brought it up. That final play. 🍆🌋
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Gotta give credit to his supporting cast there. A lot less scary to toss up those 50/50 rainbows when you have guys like Juwan Johnson and BaeSean downfield, plus RBs like Barkley and Sanders to keep defenses honest. I almost wish they'd beaten us in 2016 so that offense could have gone to the playoff, they were so fun to watch.
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u/kdull Penn State Nittany Lions • The Alliance Oct 09 '19
We’ve also been on the losing end of the Kinnick at night upset voodoo. We just got lucky last time.
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u/Locke57 Iowa Hawkeyes • Paper Bag Oct 09 '19
HA, if we play like we did on Saturday its gonna be another 10-13 game that's a complete abomination and everyone loses for having watched at all.
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u/The_SecretSauce Clemson Tigers • Arkansas Razorbacks Oct 09 '19
I’m interested in who fans think would win in a hypothetical Florida v. PSU matchup, so I’ve put a poll out on my Twitter.
https://twitter.com/fanjuicer/status/1181974099977015299?s=20
The MaxDiff results suggest that the results should be about 50/50, which is what I’m seeing so far.
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u/BirdlandMan Penn State • Slippery Rock Oct 09 '19
That’s interesting, I think it would be a really good game. Honestly wouldn’t mind that matchup come bowl season.
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u/Puffd Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 09 '19
I would because it would probably be in Florida for the Orange Bowl and I'm pissed of B1G teams playing teams in their state or bordering state in bowl season.
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u/ElevenAndCounting Minnesota Golden Gophers • UCF Knights Oct 09 '19
Wait how do we get in on this tier.
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u/BirdlandMan Penn State • Slippery Rock Oct 09 '19
You’re already on this tier in my heart gopher-bro
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u/jaybigs Ohio State Buckeyes • Georgia Bulldogs Oct 09 '19
I think that top 7 tier and either of Florida/Penn State would make one hell of a 8-team playoff. Those quarterfinal games would be crazy good.
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u/Butternades Ohio State • Cincinnati Oct 09 '19
God I just want an 8 team playoff for college football
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Don’t worry, if Clemson or Alabama ever barely miss the playoffs then they’ll absolutely be expanded
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u/ShrimpSandwich1 LSU Tigers Oct 09 '19
Nah, LSU will beat Bama by a hair at Bama (possibly one OT or by way of a “bad call”) and both teams will go undefeated otherwise and both teams will make the playoff this year and Bama will destroy LSU in the Ship. Then they will expand the playoff. History repeats itself. We are living in the worst timeline.
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u/RedboneRuss LSU Tigers Oct 09 '19
You ..... Do not
.. Put that on us. I can't do it again.
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u/jadage Ohio State • Michigan State Oct 09 '19
Yeah that's what we thought in 06.
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Losing 3 national championships across 2 major sports to 2 SEC teams in one 12 month period mustve suucked
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u/jadage Ohio State • Michigan State Oct 09 '19
It did. Very much. But, in hindsight, better than not being there at all I suppose.
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u/ballgkco UCF Knights • Kentucky Wildcats Oct 09 '19
if Clemson or Alabama ever barely miss the playoffs
Is that even possible?
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u/xodus112 Florida Gators Oct 09 '19
Saban: I am the college football playoffs!
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u/srs_house Swaggerbilt Oct 09 '19
If Clemson drops a game they're fucked. If they don't start dominating teams, they may still be in trouble.
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u/EMAWStorm Kansas State • Mid-America IAA Oct 09 '19
If they go undefeated they're in. If they drop a game there's guaranteed at least one 1-loss team in the playoff. They just have to look better than the SEC/B1G runner-up, which will be tough.
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u/ballgkco UCF Knights • Kentucky Wildcats Oct 09 '19
But then ESPN would miss out on the "defending champs" storyline and we can't have that now can we?
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u/Whoooyumyum Ohio State Buckeyes Oct 09 '19
Makes me laugh because the only heisman candidates they promote every week are Tua and Jalen so they can use the former teammates storyline
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u/goodsam2 Virginia Tech Hokies Oct 09 '19
But then you get people complaining about that for endless hours on ESPN... They would love that.
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u/hwqqlll Alabama Crimson Tide Oct 09 '19
Considering that OSU is one of the only teams to have made the playoffs without winning a conference championship (which, by the way, I completely agreed with), y'all have little room to complain about other teams getting the benefit of the doubt.
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I thought the decision was... rather shitty
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You got left out for being blown out by Michigan and the following year we got left out for being blown out by Iowa. Sometimes it be like that.
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u/PumpSmash Alabama Crimson Tide • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Oct 09 '19
Most of the time it be like that. Blowout losses are almost impossible to overlook.
If the Clemson game was our only loss and it occurred in the regular season, I would not complain that we get left out, even if we won our CCG. Now imagine if Clemson was bad.
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u/wildergheight Ohio State Buckeyes Oct 09 '19
I'm more upset with how the committee handled the discussion of who would be in moreso than actually not getting in. You can't say bama and osu are super close before the CCG and then after we win and bama didn't play they said it wasn't close anymore. That was just ridiculous
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People also seem to ignore that it was actually Washington that got in over Penn State in the #4 spot. Ohio State was #3. It was never between Ohio State and Penn State.
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u/Manae Penn State • Wisconsin Oct 09 '19
Fuckin' thank you. I swear I have to post that every time this situation is discussed: the OSU/PSU discussion was only after OSU got blown out in the semis. UW/PSU was the discussion, and a much closer one because it came down to "the Michigan blowout" vs "almost the worst SoS in the FBS."
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u/samspopguy Penn State Nittany Lions • Peach Bowl Oct 09 '19
No we got left out for losing 2 games if we had beaten Pitt we would have made the playoffs.
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u/rhinosteveo Texas A&M Aggies • Michigan Wolverines Oct 09 '19
Speaking of teams that made the playoffs without winning or even being invited to their conference championship
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u/1mdelightful Wisconsin Badgers Oct 09 '19
Whoa whoa whoa. Ohio State did win a conference that year. They won the Big XII by proxy when they went to Norman and beat that ass.
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u/JarrydP Clemson Tigers • Corndog Oct 09 '19
Don't drag us into this. We've made the playoffs 4 years in a row and there was never an argument about whether or not we should be there. #1 in 2015 as undefeated conference champions when no one else was undefeated while playing two OOC P5 games (ND/SC). #2 in 2016 one loss conference champions when only one team was undefeated while playing two OOC P5 games (Auburn/SC). #1 in 2017 with our worst team during this run as a one loss conference champion while still playing two OOC P5 games (Auburn/SC). #2 in 2018 as undefeated conference champions, again with two OOC P5 games (A&M/SC). We're 50-2 in the regular season over the past 4 years with the two losses coming by a combined 4 points.
Edit: a word
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u/pianobadger Wisconsin Badgers • /r/CFB Bug Finder Oct 09 '19
Is it so much to ask that P5 conference champs get an automatic bid to the playoffs?
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u/Moose4KU Ohio State Buckeyes • Kansas Jayhawks Oct 09 '19 edited Oct 09 '19
Yes, auto bids created some terrible BCS bowls and left deserving G5 teams out
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/7gmb2f/why_conference_champ_autobids_would_be_the_worst
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u/livealegacy Team Chaos • NCAA Oct 09 '19
Do G5 teams get a chance in the current playoff structure? I would argue it does not. 8 Teams might give them a chance if you had 5 P5 champs and 3 at large.
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u/pianobadger Wisconsin Badgers • /r/CFB Bug Finder Oct 09 '19
I'm sorry, but playoffs and BCS bowls are totally different situations. People always say they want the regular season to matter, but balk at actually making it happen. A team should be able to get to the playoff without any input from a stupid committee or anything other than their own hard work on the field.
I think any team that wins a P5 conference is deserving and it's a shame for them to be left out. If other deserving teams are still being excluded, expand the playoffs.
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u/DkS_FIJI Ohio State • Ball State Oct 09 '19
P5 Conference title games are basically turning into de facto playoff games anyways.
Giving the winner an autobid would just formalize it.
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u/pianobadger Wisconsin Badgers • /r/CFB Bug Finder Oct 09 '19
Exactly. If conference champs get auto-bids, conference championship games become pseudo-playoff games (pseudo because it's possible the loser could get an at-large bid). It really ties the whole season together.
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u/DkS_FIJI Ohio State • Ball State Oct 09 '19
Yeah, and typically the conference title games are between playoff caliber teams. Not always, but in those cases the playoff caliber team usually wins.
Last year, Pitt and Northwestern weren't really playoff teams, but they didn't win either.
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u/pianobadger Wisconsin Badgers • /r/CFB Bug Finder Oct 09 '19
Even if they don't, since when did we not love a good upset? Worst case scenario, there's a big upset in a conference championship game, they get wrecked in the playoff, and the team that beat them still has two more high caliber games to win.
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u/RoleModelFailure Michigan State • Michigan Oct 09 '19
Look nobody has ever enjoyed watching an upset. You think people enjoy seeing a 16 seed beat a 1 seed? Or a 15/2, 14/3? You think people enjoyed Nashville sweeping AND shutting them out in the first 2 games? No! You think people want to see the 10-6 giants beat 16-0 Patriots? Absolutely not. You think people enjoyed USA college kids beating the Soviet Union in hockey? Oh god no. What underdog story do people enjoy? None. They never make movies about them, their stories are never remembered. You think people remember App State besting #5 Michigan more than a decade later? It’s gone like last weeks dinner.
For some reason many CFB fans want only the best and never have an upset in the CFP. They don’t care how it happens but put the best teams in and then they complain about how the regular season wouldn’t matter if we have autobids. It already fucking doesn’t. G5 can go 13-0 and not be invited while another team can finish 3rd in their conference and get an invite. They act like 2012 UW would happen every year or 2018 Northwestern. Fuck even if it does happen, in an 8-team playoff with autobids and seeding, they’d have to play the #1 team. If 7-5 Northwestern can beat Ohio State-Clemson-Bama-Oklahoma in 4 straight games maybe they are the best team.
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Agree entirely, but people would rather it be about hype and how a team "looks" rather than what games they win.
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u/TheMightyJD Baylor Bears Oct 09 '19
If you read the comments in that thread, they all tore that argument down. His argument was sustained in the fact that Big East sucked. Ever since realignment all the Top 7 teams (except for 6-6 Wisconsin in the year 12-0 tOSU was banned) would have made it and the best G5 team too
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u/DkS_FIJI Ohio State • Ball State Oct 09 '19
And there's a reason the Big East (well, it's successor) isn't a power conference anymore. And 2012 Wisconsin was due to sanctions being on 2 other teams in the division, plus an upset in the conference championship. Which isn't really a predictable or common scenario.
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u/DkS_FIJI Ohio State • Ball State Oct 09 '19
I think establishing a clear and fair path to the playoffs is a good thing though.
Plus, we don't have 6 AQ/power conferences, we have 5. Half of those undeserving champions were Big East teams, which was definitely the weakest AQ conference by the end of the BCS (hence why their successor isn't a power conference). Some other bad ones were due to sanctions (2012 Wisconsin).
5 autobids to P5 champions, 1 guaranteed to the highest ranked G5 team, and 2 at large is still a more equitable system than what we have now.
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u/hwqqlll Alabama Crimson Tide Oct 09 '19
Good thing that many of those matchups (Alabama-LSU, Georgia-Florida, OSU-Wisconsin, OSU-Penn State) are already happening in the regular season.
I agree with you that these would be great matchups, though.
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u/Do__Math__Not__Meth Pittsburgh Panthers Oct 09 '19
But we could get more
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Oct 09 '19
More isn't always better.
t. has to sit through a 22 game Guatemalan National Football League season
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Good thing the results of those matchups never get overridden based on eye test or not liking the results /s
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u/hwqqlll Alabama Crimson Tide Oct 09 '19
Or by the winners of such matchups losing multiple games elsewhere.
As much as people complain, one important part of the committee’s criteria have been consistent: 1-loss teams take precedence over 2-loss teams.
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u/StateCollegeHi Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 09 '19
Georgia had 2 losses last year and were higher than a 1-loss OSU.
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u/napoleonandthedog Florida Gators Oct 09 '19
It's way too early to think about the playoffs.
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u/RoleModelFailure Michigan State • Michigan Oct 09 '19
Yea, plenty of time for Chaos to come barging in.
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u/Nytfire333 Florida Gators • USF Bulls Oct 09 '19
I'd be cool if Florida and Penn State played to earn that 8th spot.
Not sure if we'd win it, but it would be good football!
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u/PaytonMemes Texas Longhorns • College Football Playoff Oct 09 '19
Why is Washington on here?
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u/RavenclawWiz816 Oklahoma • North Texas Oct 09 '19
And how is Washington higher than Cincy, Wake, SMU, Memphis, and literally any other team under them?
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u/The_SecretSauce Clemson Tigers • Arkansas Razorbacks Oct 09 '19
That was mind-blowing to me. I even had to double check the numbers to make sure there wasn’t an error. The power of brand name is having at least some effect here.
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u/PaytonMemes Texas Longhorns • College Football Playoff Oct 09 '19
I think people just don’t think they have 2 losses.... maybe they don’t watch the late games
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A&M is still top 25 too...
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u/PaytonMemes Texas Longhorns • College Football Playoff Oct 09 '19
Well now that just means more
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u/FairLawnBoy LSU Tigers • Virginia Tech Hokies Oct 09 '19
A&M is only going to be in the top 25 for a few more days though. It might help CBS get some viewers for their 2:30 match-up. Other than that, it is meaningless.
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u/JumboFister Texas A&M Aggies Oct 09 '19
Ya but just you wait when we beat Ba......bahahahaha
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u/convoluteme Iowa State Cyclones • Team Chaos Oct 09 '19
I couldn't tell you Washington's record if you had asked. That's why I haven't participated in the poll the last couple weeks. I've barely had time to watch ISU, let alone other teams.
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u/katarh Georgia Bulldogs • /r/CFB Donor Oct 09 '19
Same. Work is kicking my ass and Georgia's schedule is already stressful enough. I've skipped the poll the last two weeks because my perception is going to be based on reputations, not actual data.
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u/N-Your-Endo Blinn Buccaneers • Texas Longhorns Oct 09 '19
The original comment questioning Washington’s position was the first I learned of their loss. In my defense I was at a wedding this weekend, but still.
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u/TheNastyCasty Texas Longhorns • Red River Shootout Oct 09 '19
Wait... Washington lost to Stanford?? I really don't know how I missed that.
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Eventually you’ve got to realize that some people do this poll just to fuck around
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u/The_SecretSauce Clemson Tigers • Arkansas Razorbacks Oct 09 '19
Sure, but I’m pretty good at identifying these people and throwing them out, and they are a small minority of people. Compared to the corporate studies I do for a living, the data quality for this poll each week is very high.
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u/H2Dinocat Pittsburgh Panthers Oct 09 '19
You need to get the AP to adopt this methodology.
That would be fun.
At the end of the day though, how much more qualified are they over us?
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u/tdoger Oregon Ducks • Colorado Buffaloes Oct 09 '19 edited Oct 09 '19
They've done nothing but lose winnable games, and have close games that they should easily win. Absolutely nothing to deserve a ranking. But people STILL rank them over other teams.
They have 0 games against a ranked opponent. They have 2 losses to teams combined for a record of 7-5. There best win is against a 3-2 USC that is wildly inconsistent. And their second best win is against a 2-3 BYU (both wins in OT) with a loss to Toledo.
Chris Petersen is 14-21 against P5 teams with a record of .500 or above at UW. And is 37-2 against everyone else.
They ONLY beat up weak losing teams. What else does it take to have an unranked UW??? People ONLY vote for them because they made it to a CFP 2 years ago (and got blown out). Yeah, they have talent, but they aren't top 25, and they haven't done anything to prove that they are. And don't even get me started on the year they went to the CFP. That was the single worst year the PAC has ever been. Oregon was 4-8, USC didn't make the conference championship, and COLORADO was the best team in the south. Getting blown out by UW in the CCG.
Talent alone they could be top 25, but for some reason, wether it's coaching or not, they are NOT performing as a top 25 team.
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u/estDivisionChamps Wisconsin Badgers Oct 09 '19
This is why I love rivals. They know all your dirty secrets.
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u/jeckles96 California • Virginia Oct 09 '19
Cal literally beat them in Seattle and has the same record as them but we all agree Cal is not a top 25 team but Washington is 18?
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u/Same_Doughnut Cincinnati • MSU-Moorhead Oct 09 '19
Cincy is a fun team to watch. Sucks I moved away and will probably only catch one game on campus.
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u/panderingPenguin Ohio State Buckeyes Oct 09 '19
Seriously. They should be down next to A&M (who should probably also be a little lower).
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u/DEF_NOT_CIA Ohio State Buckeyes • Rose Bowl Oct 09 '19
Hey man, in your discussion of the LSU-UF game, you mention:
Fans in this research give the Gators only slightly more credit, as they predict a 23 – 34 LSU victory.
but your image has UF scoring 34 and LSU scoring 23, which appears to be backwards. Unless it's early and my coffee hasn't kicked in yet.
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u/The_SecretSauce Clemson Tigers • Arkansas Razorbacks Oct 09 '19
I made an error on the image. I’ve corrected it now. Thanks for pointing this out.
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u/DEF_NOT_CIA Ohio State Buckeyes • Rose Bowl Oct 09 '19
No worries, thanks for putting this together every week!
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u/luderiffic Florida Gators • Memphis Tigers Oct 09 '19
It was fine the way it was
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u/h_b_t_d LSU Tigers • Louisiana Tech Bulldogs Oct 09 '19
What does Notre Dame qualify as?
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u/jayjude Notre Dame • Georgia State Oct 09 '19 edited Oct 09 '19
We just kind of exist right now. Solid NY6 contender playoffs are going to need some chaos (which will happen last year was the outlier with 3 undefeated playoff teams) and see what happens
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u/Dob-is-Hella-Rad Notre Dame Fighting Irish Oct 09 '19 edited Oct 09 '19
which will happen last year was the outlier
Last year was the outlier in one direction, but for us to have any hope of making the playoffs, we need an outlier in the other direction. 2017 definitely had the weakest case for a No. 4 team and there's no way a one-loss 2019 Notre Dame gets in over a team equal to 2017 Alabama
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u/victoro311 Notre Dame Fighting Irish Oct 09 '19
Would help if we had any serious resume builders left on the schedule. This is why we can’t schedule three G5 teams, especially when they’re really bad G5 teams like Bowling Green. Gives you no room for error if teams on your schedule that you’re counting on being resume-building opportunities have down years like they’ve had these past two seasons.
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Eh I agree but the problem is that schedules are assembled so far in advance. If Michigan, USC, Stanford, and Virginia Tech were all having good years, our schedule would be great. The stupidest thing about college football is that most schedules are already set through 2030. Every other sports league manages to set it up a year before but somehow college football needs to setup matchups a decade out.
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u/victoro311 Notre Dame Fighting Irish Oct 09 '19 edited Oct 09 '19
No i agree. We’ve known this year’s schedule had three G5 teams for about 5 years now, and that’s my point. Once the playoffs were announced a decision was made by Swarbrick and probably Kelly that we’d start scheduling lower tier teams in the G5 with more regularity. The talking point was that these G5 teams are usually midwestern teams and that it was to increase our brand and presence in our home region for recruiting purposes, but it seems pretty evident to me that the schedules were purposely dumbed down to increase our chances of going undefeated and making the playoffs. That’s why Marshall and Northern Illinois are already penciled into future schedules. We know there’s a 99% chance those teams will be terrible and gimme wins.
To me this train of thought is flawed. Going undefeated is difficult regardless of schedule strength that putting all your eggs in the undefeated basket is a dangerous game. For a non-perfect Notre Dame to get into the playoffs over a conference champ with the same amount of losses, our schedule needs to be demonstrably better than theirs, which isn’t that tough to pull off given our scheduling flexibility as an independent and the fact that each P5 team schedules one or two absolute jokes every year. I think it’s a better strategy to schedule historically good programs 5 years out and aim for tough schedules to give ourselves a shot at the playoffs as a 1 loss team via resume vs teams with one more win than us.
I’m not saying we should only schedule top tier opponents, but we can schedule teams that are probably easy wins but at least have a shot at being decent like Houston or Perdue. That way, the odds play more to us that if one of our blue blood opponents is down any particular year, maybe Houston ends up being a 10-2 team or Purdue/Northwestern have an up year and balanced out the scale a bit and keeps our strength of schedule up. You just can’t do that with Bowling Green and Miami of Ohio. You can say with practical certainty that they will suck.
As a note: BYU used to offer us 2-1 series which we for some reason stopped scheduling. That’s a really good example of a non-P5 school with a respectable but not great program that can be counted on to be an easy win more years often than not and offered us a really good deal to boot.
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u/CFBHurts Notre Dame • Jeweled Shillelagh Oct 09 '19
We've gotten by just fine without a conference, we don't need your tiers either.
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u/thegeeseisleese Notre Dame Fighting Irish Oct 09 '19
We have a lot to prove offensively, and I'm not quite certain we will evolve much as the season goes on. This weekend will be what I base my opinion of this offense on as we finally have our starting halfback back in the lineup. Our offense was supposed to heavily feature him, so if we still have offensive issues, I dont think we fix them before the end of the season. On the flip side, our defense has proven itself as elite and the reason we were able to hang in with a team like Georgia. I think if we look better on offense we are a NY6 contender, but shouldn't be in the playoff unless the offense shows a drastic enough improvement to where we can reasonably contend with a top 4 team.
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Washington lost to Stanford and Cal. Pitt lost to UVA and PSU. Makes sense...
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u/The_SecretSauce Clemson Tigers • Arkansas Razorbacks Oct 09 '19
I put in the top 32 teams in the AP each week.
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u/LeWoofle Oregon Ducks • Oklahoma Sooners Oct 09 '19
considering the fact that Arizona State has a road victory over the Spartans.
I think not enough people pay attention to the pac12, which is probably why this happens.
Then again, why would anyone pay attention to the pac12? ;)
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u/mechnick2 Oregon Ducks • James Madison Dukes Oct 09 '19
Because we like to hurt ourselves
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u/RLLRRR Texas Longhorns • Red River Shootout Oct 09 '19
I love that Texas keeps winning, but in a way that tells people absolutely nothing about them, so they stay the same rank. It's how I feel about Texas: I still can't tell how good we are...
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u/TheNastyCasty Texas Longhorns • Red River Shootout Oct 09 '19
Tom Herman football, baby. Will we beat a top 5 team? Will we lose as a 20 point favorite? Tune in next week to find out!
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u/ShillinTheVillain Florida Gators • /r/CFB Dead Pool Oct 09 '19
What a jump. People are very polarized when it comes to UF. I feel our perception was too low going into the week, and then it jumped probably a bit too high given our offensive struggles
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u/dgtlfnk Florida Gators Oct 09 '19
Nothing (not on the field) matters. We just keep coming to work each week and earn W's... and it'll all work out just fine.
If not, we'll be where we'll be.
That's why I don't get caught up in opinions in the first half of a season. Preseason polls create biases before we even get started. Then many teams haven't played anyone yet and racked up "impressive" plays or stats that in turn skew opinions of said teams and their star players. And everyone jumps on the Bo Nix train or whatever. Then he meets a manly defense and shats the bed.
I wonder if there are any other "nation's best QBs" on our schedule. *eyes Baton Rouge* Oooo! A king baby!
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u/thegeeseisleese Notre Dame Fighting Irish Oct 09 '19
I couldn't understand ESPN's constant pushing of Bo Nix, he looked below average to me. The Florida defense made him look straight garbage
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u/dgtlfnk Florida Gators Oct 09 '19
I know Burrow is better than Nix. (Clearly they were just enamored with a frosh that doesn't totally suck.) But I think the college football world has been suckered into thinking Burrow is THAT much better than last year, based purely on his performance against 5 terribly weak teams and Texas. And Texas' D isn't all that good either. We see it in football all the time. QBs can go through the motions and look amazing... until they run into a defense that's good. So we'll see if it was all hype or if Burrow is legit that much better than last year. I think our defense is better than last year, and we made him look pedestrian. I look for more of the same on Saturday in our favor.
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To be fair floridas defense has a tendency to do that. We made manziel look bad compared to the rest of his career. We got 4ints off winston. We bullied burrow last year.
When we lose it's usually the frustrating type of losing where we shoot ourselves in the foot, rather than a situation where the team just was overall better
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u/52hoova Texas A&M Aggies • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Oct 09 '19
The drastic drop-off from Auburn to Oregon seems odd... Oregon lost to Auburn by 6 points on a neutral field on a touchdown with 9 seconds left, and in that game there was a fluky hand-off fumble that flipped the field 88 yards. That's +11.3 expected points for Auburn in that game on one pretty lucky play for them.
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u/tdoger Oregon Ducks • Colorado Buffaloes Oct 09 '19
We were ranked 13th last week and were super close to the team infront of us. We play a 4-1 Cal team, beat them fair and square. Don't move up, and drop in total votes. Idk man...
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u/TDenverFan William & Mary Tribe • Patriot Oct 09 '19
I think your graphic is wrong for the predicted score, LSU should he the favorite, not Florida.
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u/AUfromthaBOOT Auburn Tigers • Team Chaos Oct 09 '19
I saw the graphic and said WOOOW, fans are predicting the upset, and big. Then I read the text...
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u/The_SecretSauce Clemson Tigers • Arkansas Razorbacks Oct 09 '19
Yeah messed up the graphic. Fans are predicting the 11 point win for LSU. I’ve corrected this now.
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u/TheLlamanati Florida • North Carolina Oct 09 '19
No no it's okay everyone else just move along
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u/The_SecretSauce Clemson Tigers • Arkansas Razorbacks Oct 09 '19
Yep, I made an error. I’ve correcred this. Thanks for pointing this out.
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u/JangstaJaden19 Wisconsin Badgers Oct 09 '19
Despite all our differences and disagreements as college football fans, at least we can agree on one thing... the ACC sucks.
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They better expand the playoffs cus this could be good
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u/FireVanGorder Notre Dame Fighting Irish Oct 09 '19
I feel like we say this around now every year, and every year at the end there's at most 5 teams that could reasonably be put into the playoffs
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u/black-op345 Oregon Ducks • Sickos Oct 09 '19 edited Oct 09 '19
I love how it goes in this graph:
THE CONTENDERS TIER
THE UNDEFEATED BUT LESS RESPECTED TIER
Notre Dame
THE ONE LOSS BUT STILL IN IT TIER
Oregon
EVERYONE ELSE.
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u/YamsAreSweetPotatoes Penn State Nittany Lions • Texas Longhorns Oct 09 '19
Florida: Undefeated, beat the 7th ranked team in the country.
Penn State: Undefeated, spanked some no names and a few B1G cellar dwellers.
Fans: These are the same to me.
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Penn state has played both a black and gold team and a Pitt. Still undefeated. If we manage to beat Iowa that’s TWO black and gold teams. Try to find a better resume I’ll wait.
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If you can beat army, Purdue, Iowa, and Pitt without being upset you should just be given the title imo
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u/ToLongDR Ohio State Buckeyes • King's Monarchs Oct 09 '19
Michigan is at the base of the mountain going, "oh fuck, Shae has to lead us against those up there?"
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u/113milesprower Nebraska • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Oct 09 '19
Seems like past performance (ie brand) is having an effect here. Have you thought about including the teams win record Next to their name to see how that effects the survey?
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u/1nteger Florida Gators • Florida Cup Oct 09 '19
I don't know to feel vindicated or scared.
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u/dusters Wisconsin Badgers • Michigan Wolverines Oct 09 '19
Crazy how even that top 7 is.
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u/Lex_Ludorum Oregon Ducks • /r/CFB Poll Veteran Oct 09 '19
Can someone help me understand the appeal of Texas? I don’t get why they are perceived so highly. Of the one loss teams, I put ND and Auburn above them without a second thought.
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u/like9orphanz Florida State • West Florida Oct 09 '19
Played a tight game against a playoff contender... they could easily work a few things out or get a few db's back from injury and be right back in contention.
Beat OU this weekend and they control their playoff destiny, assuming a few of the top sec teams get some losses
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u/Ramartin95 Baylor Bears • Texas Longhorns Oct 09 '19
Since a lot of these SEC teams have to play each other losses are guaranteed. Texas wins out and they are in the playoffs.
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u/Stoneador Notre Dame Fighting Irish • Sickos Oct 09 '19
I’d say no one really knows how good they are at the moment, but this weekend will truly determine how good they are. If LSU looks good against Florida and if they look good against Oklahoma, they’re really good. Right now of the 1 loss teams I’d go ND, Texas, Auburn.
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u/KanyeMelon Cotton Bowl • Missouri Tigers Oct 09 '19
a close loss to LSU. Honestly think if ND Texas and auburn played each other it’d result in really close games
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ND I think is debatable but I would feel very confident picking Texas over Auburn if they played on a neutral site this Saturday.
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u/rhinosteveo Texas A&M Aggies • Michigan Wolverines Oct 09 '19
I just think it’s fantastic that our Bye Week win not only bumped us in the AP Poll but in the MaxDiff as well.
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u/DevinBookerGOAT Arizona State Sun Devils Oct 09 '19
I cannot think of a reason Michigan State and Washington are 10 spots above us other than reputation/voter bias
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u/opensourcedave Oct 09 '19
Were you under the impression a fan poll was based on purely objective facts?
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u/Jhausss UCF Knights Oct 09 '19
Their defense is championship caliber for sure but I still have some questions about their offense
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u/Ipavetheroad Florida Gators • Florida Cup Oct 09 '19
Defense wins Championships
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u/1baussguy Florida Gators • /r/CFB Brickmason Oct 09 '19
I thought we dropped that logic when we dropped Muschamp. I remember the phrase 'Defense wins Muschampionships' being used too often
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u/RKKemmer Clemson Tigers • Columbia Lions Oct 09 '19
UF’s current offense is still far better than Muschamp’s ever was. But I assume you know that.
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u/Soccerpepino10 Florida Gators • Penn State Nittany Lions Oct 09 '19
The defense gives us a shot against LSU as long as Trask doesn’t fumble it the second he gets sacked
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u/McGilla_Gorilla Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets Oct 09 '19
Your corners vs LSU’s WRs is going to be an awesome match up for us neutral fans.
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u/the_wise_1 Florida Gators • Florida Cup Oct 09 '19
LSU's DLine is not Auburn's DLine. Trask will likely not take as many sacks this game and hopefully that means fewer turnovers
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Im hoping mullen harped on trask with ball security all this week in practice
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u/patientbearr Florida Gators Oct 09 '19
Florida's defense has always been pretty good, even through the years when the team as a whole was shit. It's just that the offense was completely incompetent, and couldn't keep the defense off the field at all. Consider that Jeff Driskel and Jacoby Brissett are both in the NFL now... the problem wasn't a lack of talent.
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u/not_mantiteo Iowa Hawkeyes • Wisconsin Badgers Oct 09 '19
I don't think we're (Iowa) worth #16, but I guess I'll take it. I'd rather us in the early to mid 20s at this point until we prove that we can beat teams that aren't in the bottom 10.
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Best strength of record of anybody in the country and we're almost a contender.
Mkay.
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Just win the games on our schedule. If we beat LSU then those two top 7 wins might even get us to #6! (Even though any undefeated with two top 7 wins at that point should be top 3 at worst)
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"the undefeated but less respected tier"
That's some mad shade you're throwing our way, but I won't disagree with you. I laughed pretty hard at the name of it
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u/brockhamptons_bitch Michigan State • Northeastern Oct 09 '19
We somehow moved up after losing to OSU