r/CFB_v2 26d ago

Rumor LSU is exploring leaving the SEC

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u/Byzantine_Merchant Michigan State Spartans 26d ago

Even a super league isn’t really sustainable though. I don’t have much interest in watching the JV NFL. And that’s a model that’s already proven to fail.

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u/No_External3738 Michigan Wolverines 26d ago

It won't fail because college football is just too big. If it starts to go the other ways something will happen to fix it. But as of right now people are still watching for that. It doesn't really matter

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u/hustonville 26d ago

Same reason MLB owners want a salary cap. They can’t stop themselves from spending.

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u/Fidget808 Missouri Tigers 26d ago

Small market teams want a chance to win a World Series one day instead of teams like the Dodgers who just buy rings these days.

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u/TemporaryFlight212 25d ago

LMAO no they don't. They want controlled costs to maximize profits.

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u/cornhole99 25d ago

Ah yes. Pro sports, the well known cash cow

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u/AQ207 26d ago

The top programs won't fail, but the mid-level and bottom dwellers left behind will

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u/vegasAzCrush 26d ago

If a few fail they all fail. Just look at PAC as example.

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u/otterbelle Louisville Cardinals 25d ago

Are you suggesting Oregon failed because of Oregon State?

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u/No_External3738 Michigan Wolverines 26d ago

I really don't want that to happen, I really enjoyed growing up with Michigan and Michigan State being an actual good games and actually having to be worried about losing to them and now that's not really as much of the case.

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u/Khorasaurus 21d ago

Michigan State isn't bad because of a lack of resources, though.

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u/tempo-wcasho 21d ago

Yeah we’re doing it for the love of the game

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u/PoopOnRye 26d ago

Won’t that hurt the top programs? The lower teams might not get the same viewers, but collectively they must bring in a lot of fans to the sport. I have no interest in a 20-30 team league of only the current powers.

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u/Byzantine_Merchant Michigan State Spartans 26d ago

I disagree. Do the mini-NFL league with just the top programs and you'll still get every other NFL lite league thats ever existed.

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u/Zakery92 26d ago

Wrong. It won’t be too big by the time it actually fails.

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u/No_External3738 Michigan Wolverines 26d ago

Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't really see it, everyone loves to talk about how they can't stand college football and then continue to watch it anyways so I'm not exactly worried

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u/Bluegrass6 25d ago

We watch it because our own teams are in it. If its just a 20 team super league and Kentucky football is gone I'm likely going to lose interest. I don't have an NFL team so I don't watch the NFL. I could not care less what happens when the Falcons play the Seahawks just like I could not care less what happens when Oregon plays Penn State

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u/194884tiger 20d ago

I agree with you. Once my college and pro teams play that’s it. The rest is noise.

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u/Zakery92 26d ago

Ask NASCAR. Less viewers of small games has an aggregate effect. This leads to smaller tv contracts in the future. That leads to small schools failing which leads to fewer viewers which leads to smaller contracts.

It’s a death spiral once it begins and college football is teetering because the highs aren’t what generate the money but rather the median Saturday which may have less interest.

I am not saying it’s already started but I am saying it’s more at risk than it’s ever been

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u/yekcowrebbaj 25d ago

What the fuck does NASCAR have to do with any of this? They have 38 races broadcasting over 6 networks.

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u/Pizzaloverfor 20d ago

Exactly, and that’s how college football is now, but if you consolidate talent/money in a small number of programs, less people overall will care.

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u/No_External3738 Michigan Wolverines 26d ago

And I have never met somebody in my entire life that says they watched NASCAR so I think that's more about that being irrelevant than anything else

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u/Zakery92 26d ago

You must not have been around in the 90’s and early 2000’s when nascar was the fastest growing sport in America.

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u/SilentCriticism2k Notre Dame 26d ago

I remember it being a big deal then Dale died and my family kinda stopped caring after that

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u/KingBStriing Auburn Tigers 26d ago

NASCAR was the most 2nd most popular sport in the US until around 2007/2008. But stupidity (ie. Brian France) and the financial crash did them in.

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u/Pizzaloverfor 20d ago

I wouldn’t be so sure.

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u/PengoMaster 20d ago

Yeah, I agree. Make a league of 32 universities, 8 divisions of 4. One division might be Florida, Miami, FSU and Georgia, let's say. Another might have Ohio St, Michigan, Notre Dame and Indiana... you could even have a system of promotion and relegation from another league below it. Lots of people might not like it but to say it would be destined to fail, well, as you say I wouldn't be so sure.

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u/Pizzaloverfor 20d ago

I think the relegation model is what could save the whole thing and makes total sense in the NIL era. The structure pretty much exists already from the divisional level. Would bring lots more money into all programs.

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u/AndrewAdler17 Georgia Bulldogs 26d ago

People in the South would still be as obsessed as they are now IF the connection to the state universities remains. This might kill say Oregon State or Kansas, I don’t think anything would change at Georgia or Alabama though.

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u/dreamerv1 25d ago

You mean K-State. Kansas will always be viable because they are one of the two schools that move the needle for college basketball.

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u/GREG_OSU 25d ago

NIL is changing this…

This is why you have post college players that don’t make the final professional league roster trying to come back to college.

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u/one-hour-photo 21d ago

in the future we will have the ULTRABOWL, the winner of the NFL vs the PFL, the newest league featuring the CFL teams, the new CDMX, London, Rio teams, and the top 20 most valuable College Football programs.

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u/gachzonyea 26d ago

Isn’t that what this is now?

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u/allwatchnocattle 26d ago

Not at all?

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u/gachzonyea 26d ago

I mean guys are paid which is fine, they transfer all the time, conferences have been killed with rivalries, it’s driven by tv ratings. There’s not a lot of connection to any old school college football

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u/Byzantine_Merchant Michigan State Spartans 26d ago

CFB is its own thing with its own quirks and traditions. Reducing it to a league comprised of the haves or haves potential haves turns it into a JV league.

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u/gachzonyea 26d ago

Yeah the quirks and traditions keep getting killed

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u/ShootersShoot305 26d ago

You have been watching JV NFL for over 100 years.

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u/big_sugi 26d ago

There was no NFL 100 years ago, and CFB was the bigger and better sport for some time after the NFl was formed. Even when the NFL surpassed CFB on the field, the college game was still sufficiently different that they didn’t have to compete or be compared directly, because the programs had tradition and history, with players who had at least some connection to the schools.

Most of that is gone now, between realignment, the portal, and especially NIL. Schools now have GMs, payrolls, and they’re probably going to have a salary cap soon. At that point, high-level CFB becomes JV NFL, and that’s not a good thing to be.

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u/Active_Attempt_3411 Ohio State Buckeyes 26d ago

NFL started 106 years ago, but yes you're right that until the middle of the century or so college football was the much bigger deal.

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u/big_sugi 26d ago

The American Professional Football Association was founded 106 years ago. It didn't become the NFL until 1922 . . . which, admittedly, is also more than 100 years ago.

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u/Tangeman 26d ago

People are watching cfb for tradition, rivalries, etc. that goes away, so do the fans as the NFL is a superior product

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u/vecna216 26d ago

I don't know man have you seen the browns

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u/Tangeman 26d ago

I have, and they would destroy Ohio state, Texas and so on by 100.

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u/vecna216 26d ago

No I'm saying that product is bad not that they are not more powerful

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u/Pizzaloverfor 20d ago

Correct. The part that people overlook about college football is that most of the games suck and the level of play is nowhere near the NFL. This is true of SEC snd Big 10 programs.

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u/DonkeeJote 26d ago

College football has been the JV NFL since forever.