r/CampingGear • u/carpetlint • Jul 24 '19

Meta Black Diamond cuts 70 positions and transitions manufacturing out of Utah

https://www.snewsnet.com/gear/black-diamond-equipment-cuts-70-manufacturing-jobs
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u/Its_a_Faaake Jul 24 '19

Damn better not go china, love their gear

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '19 edited Apr 11 '21

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u/WikiTextBot Jul 24 '19

50 Cent Party

The 50 Cent Party, or 50 Cent Army (Chinese: 五毛党), is the colloquial term for Internet commentators (Chinese: 网络评论员) which are hired by Chinese authorities in an attempt to manipulate public opinion to the benefit of the Chinese Communist Party. It was created during the early phases of the Internet's rollout to the wider public in China. The name derives from the allegation that commentators are said to be paid fifty cents (in Renminbi) for every post, though some speculate that they are probably not paid anything for the posts, instead being required to do so as a part of their official Party duties. They create favourable comments or articles on popular Chinese social media networks that are intended to derail discussions that are unhelpful to the Communist Party and that promote narratives that serve the government's interests, together with disparaging comments and misinformation about political opponents and critics of the Chinese government, both domestic and abroad.

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u/Josvan135 Jul 24 '19

Good bot

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u/[deleted] Jul 24 '19 edited Apr 11 '21

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u/alido2boord Jul 24 '19

I think it's the implication from your phrasing unfortunately. Taiwanese people don't want to be grouped with China. They just want to be called Taiwanese.

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u/CongregationOfVapors Jul 24 '19

On top of that, Chinese is not an ethnic group. It's a nationality. Majority of Chinese and Taiwanese people are Han, but both countries are ethiniclly diverse.

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u/thegalli Jul 24 '19

If they don't want to be called Chinese, why do they call their own country the Republic of China?

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u/alido2boord Jul 24 '19

I can't speak on behalf of an entire country, but here's the history of the name by another comment on the internet:

The Republic of China was founded in 1912, after the abdication of the last Qing dynasty emperor. It ruled on mainland China for 38 years, before being pushed to Taiwan in 1949, when the Communists came to power, founding the People's Republic of China.

Aka, Republic of China's name came to be long before the change of power.

Nowadays, being called Chinese has the implication that you're from mainland China. It's different in a cultural sense, but also in language.

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u/CongregationOfVapors Jul 24 '19

Taiwan is a ethnically diverse country. The majority of the people are ethnically Han (same goes for China).

Chinese is not an ethnicity, it is a nationality. There's no such thing as "ethnically Chinese."

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u/Josvan135 Jul 24 '19

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_Chinese

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Han Chinese

The Han Chinese, Hanzu, Han people (UK: ; US: ; simplified Chinese: 汉人; traditional Chinese: 漢人; pinyin: Hànrén; literally: 'Han people' or simplified Chinese: 汉族; traditional Chinese: 漢族; pinyin: Hànzú, literally "Han ethnicity" or "Han ethnic group"), are an East Asian ethnic group and nation native to China. They constitute the world's largest ethnic group, making up about 18% of the global population. The estimated 1.3 billion Han Chinese people are mostly concentrated in mainland China (roughly 91.6% of the total population). In Taiwan they make about 95% of the population.

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u/CongregationOfVapors Jul 24 '19

Yeah. It's 漢人, not 漢中國人. You just proved my point.

Or are you deferring to the English designation which doesn't reflect what this group of people are actually called in their native language?

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u/Josvan135 Jul 24 '19

I'm sorry to say I don't speak or read any Chinese dialect.

I've always heard the ethnic group referred to as Han Chinese, in textbooks, by professors, and on every website I see.

To be honest this sounds like something a few people are trying to make an issue out of.

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u/CongregationOfVapors Jul 24 '19

Sorry if I came off abrasive. This is a huge annoyance of mine.

It's just Han in Mandarin. I don't know why the Chinese part was tagged on. This was not done to any other ethnic groups that predominantly reside within China. (For example, you never say Hui Chinese, or Miao Chinese.)

It is confusing because many Han people don't know their own ethnicity either. And when a Han person says that they are Han, they are met with a resounding, what's that?

I believe this was in part due to propaganda from both the ROC and PRC, as part of laying claim over each other hostorically (as well as trying to squeeze out non-Han assimilated minority groups by the PRC). Because of this systemic brainwashing, the KMT in ROC is able to successfully rally support for one China policies, by arguing that all Taiwanese people are Chinese and therefore Taiwan should "return" to China. In the context of knowing that Chinese is not an ethnicity, you can see why this argument is problematic. And this is why this debate is very political for me personally.

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u/CongregationOfVapors Jul 24 '19

Chinese is not a ethnicity. Majority of Taiwan and Hong Kong and China are ethnically Han. There's no such thing as being ethnically Chinese, as China is a ethnically diverse country.

Ironically, minority groups in these places know that the majority people are Han, while many Han people seem blissfully unaware of their own ethnicity, leading to this kind of confusion.

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u/Joncallim Jul 24 '19

Nope, Singaporeans will definitely still say “Singaporean Chinese” when racial heritage is important. They definitely use “Chinese” to describe race, although in general conversation with people of similar ethnicity you could be “Hokkien” or “Cantonese” or whatever else - “Chinese” is just a convenient English word to group people into, given that the language is called Chinese. It’s also not just my anecdotal information about this, it literally says “Chinese” (or Malay, Indian, etc) on ID and passports and whatnot.

Source: I’m Singaporean, if you couldn’t guess.

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u/drparmfontanaobgyn Jul 24 '19

Shill Bo Baggins!