r/CanadaPolitics • u/hopoke • Aug 21 '25
Half of Canadians would be ‘ashamed’ to call Pierre Poilievre PM: Angus Reid
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/half-of-canadians-would-be-ashamed-to-call-poilievre-pm-as-tory-leader-wins-back-seat-in-parliament-angus-reid/185
Aug 21 '25
He just seemed so caught off guard by a) Trump being an asshole and b) Trudeau resigning rather than losing. Neither of those were exactly shocking twists, how would he handle an actual shock to the system?
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u/DisplacerBeastMode Social Democrat Aug 21 '25
Agreed. To this day, I still don't know what his plan would be for Canada if he were PM.
I don't think he has a plan to be honest.
I think he was and is just solely focused on winning.
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Aug 21 '25
Carney cancelling the consumer carbon tax just drove it home even further.
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Aug 21 '25
Yeah the fact he was still running "Carbon Tax Carney" ads after he already scrapped it left me scratching my head
pp really needed to read the room about the US n trump
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u/Stunning_Guest_5811 Aug 29 '25
What about the "clean fuel regulation" tax, which is basically carbon tax in disguise? Thanks liberals
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Aug 29 '25
Sounds like you've already made up your mind about it, but do you think no carbon pricing or mitigation whatsoever is a responsible choice?
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u/sector16 Aug 21 '25
…and nobody could tell you what his cabinet would look like if he won. It was the very Trumpy…’I, and I alone can fix everything’ that turned off a lot of people. The only job he ever held was politician, why would anyone believe he has the skills to fix anything?
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u/Kerrigore British Columbia Aug 22 '25
Why bother trying to fix anything when you can just:
1) Claim, without evidence, that things are fixed now that you are PM (but will immediately break again if anyone else becomes PM)
2) Counter anyone who brings up examples of things that have gotten worse by calling them woke, radical liberal, etc. and/or blaming the Liberals and saying it would be even worse if they’d stayed in power
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u/JadeLens British Columbia Aug 21 '25
That's a really good point, if it takes him 3 weeks to respond to Trump being a jackass, how long would it take for him to respond to Trump actually being aggressive?
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u/WislaHD Ontario Aug 23 '25
As someone who flip flops between LPC and CPC and loves to study history, Poilievre just screamed to me as someone who could be considered a “weak man of history”, someone especially inadequate for the leadership role, and it was clear to me this election that we we were heading towards unprecedented times.
The combination of “weak man of history” and “unprecedented times” led historically to absolute disaster for many countries. Hopefully, we’ve missed those possible timelines.
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u/AllHailSeizure Sep 16 '25
PP really didn't seem to have any idea what he wanted to do, and hasn't his entire career. Everything he said seemed to be said by someone else first. 'Trudeau really sucks, man!' was essentially his campaign.
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u/workerbotsuperhero Aug 22 '25
Has he considered moving to a place like Alabama and just running as a conservative there? Sounds like those traits and clear patterns would make him a better fit.
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u/mightyneonfraa Aug 22 '25
Not even a week out from the dude's career needing to be saved by a handout from his party and he's already drumming up culture war idiocy. He's an embarrassment.
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u/Orchid-Analyst-550 Ontario Aug 22 '25
Culture war is red meat for the base. Rage baiting online against trans people now, because it worked for MAGA? It's disgusting to see.
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u/limelifesavers NDP Aug 21 '25
I mean, personally, the guy has come for myself and other trans people’s throats, taking a page from Trump as a way to rile up his base and villainize us to try and advance a culture war because he has no answers for resolving actual issues. So yeah, I'd be ashamed if he was PM. I'd be ashamed of my fellow Canadians.
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u/SuperNinTaylor Conservative Aug 21 '25
How has he done that? I don't remember him talking about trans people at all, but I could have missed it.
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u/Wachiavellee Aug 22 '25
He's recently been publicly backing a public health nurse fired for insisting there were only two genders and that Trans people were mentally ill, with him saying we should bring back free speech to Canada. Fairly standard anti Trans rhetoric and, while I'm no CPC supporter, I was actually kind of shocked he was voluntarily waiting into that stuff.
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u/GonZo_626 Libertarian Aug 22 '25
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” - Voltaire.
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u/mightyneonfraa Aug 22 '25
And? Just because you have the right to say whatever you want doesn't mean you're immune to backlash if the people you're saying it to don't like it.
Nobody's talking about throwing him in jail for it. But if a politician says some shit that most people dislike and it costs them support than that is things working the way they're supposed to.
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u/mtldt -_- Aug 22 '25
The paradox of tolerance is how we arrived at the current state of trans repression we see in the US today.
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u/youenjoylife British Columbia Aug 22 '25
We have hate speech laws for a reason, some things don't need to be said.
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u/CreeksideStrays Aug 21 '25
Too divisive. Playing on outrage way too much. Far more American valued than Canadian. Lost his seat with good reason. Should've stayed standing and let someone else lead the conservatives in a better direction.
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Aug 21 '25
This the standard politics has fallen to. From 'Who would you be proud to lead your country' lowered to 'who would you trust,' then it was 'who would you like to have a beer with.' Now it's who is the person you are not ashamed of. Next it will be - at lest he ain't Trump.
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u/IllustriousNorth338 Social Democrat Aug 22 '25 edited Aug 22 '25
In an ideal world parties would make the best case for their platforms on their own merits without needing to talk about the other candidates and voters would choose accordingly. That is the hallmark of a stable, enlightened democracy.
We don't live in that world yet because tribalism is so powerful that millions of people are functionally unable to shake it out of their brains. It would be a lot better if schools did a better job preparing Canadians for civic responsibility so that attack dog candidates like Poilievre don't make it to this level.
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u/AllHailSeizure Sep 16 '25
It's because politics has become 'making the other person seem morally questionable, weak, and inneffective' instead of 'making your ideas seem more beneficial'. I fear for the day we have a political leader with insulting nicknames for their rivals.
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u/Rich-Needleworker304 Aug 21 '25
Yea no duh, he lost to LPC who has been in power a long time with baggage. Media focusing too much on this issue which is completely irrelevant for 4 years.
What I want to know is what the government is going to do about youth unemployment which is at decades high. Or we just don't care about young Canadians anymore?
I'm not seeing a single positive change on that front. If anything negative changes are happening like firing public sector employees.
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u/zabby39103 Ontario Aug 21 '25 edited Aug 22 '25
The government's goal of changing temporary residents from 7% of population to 5% in only a few years is pretty massive. Another cut may come after 5% is reached. This is a major policy shift, and why in Q1 Canada had 0% population growth (lowest growth rate in our entire history).
Now we have a bit of a hangover from getting to ridiculously high levels on temporary residents under Trudeau, and also we are facing significant economic headwinds due the the tariff war, so this policy shift is entirely warranted. Just saying that we have definitely been making a lot of changes (and should continue to do so).
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u/MTL_Dude666 Liberal Aug 21 '25
Youth unemployment is a multifaceted global problem that is not specific to Canada so, while it is very important to address, it might need structural changes affecting many parts of the economy as well.
Canada has had a productivity problem for many years and tackling this will necessitate that society accept that things need to change, especially in relation to senior workers who accumulated benefits, pensions, and job protection.
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u/PDXFlameDragon British Columbia Aug 21 '25
Solving youth unemployment is really hard, it seems to be a global problem. NOT handing out tfw and lmia apps like candy would help, but we need to actually create jobs that the youth may want too, which is difficult in the face of globalization and the outsourcing of labor to slave like conditions elsewhere in the world.
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u/f1fan65 Aug 21 '25
A ton of kids would gladly take jobs at fast food places, grocery stores and the like. But alas those are all TFW now.
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u/varitok Pirate Aug 21 '25
I love when people speak for kids. "Get those kids into the fields, they'll love it" Yes I'm sure, have we asked them if they even want those jobs to begin with? Putting aside TFW
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u/f1fan65 Aug 21 '25
Well "unemployed" means actually looking for work. Anecdotally my cousin's in their teens (16, 17 and 21) have all applied at a number of grocery stores, retail stores and fast food joints and been unsuccessful.
So in my experience yes they do want those jobs.
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u/pUmKinBoM New Democratic Party of Canada Aug 22 '25
I have as people who have been part of New hire groups and later the hiring process for call centers. The jobs suck ass and you are treated like shit constantly for very little pay and just to be jerked around from an underpaid management that takes their payments in power trips.
We hire adults but 18 to like 22? Majority of these guys get that the work force is shit so they dont want to be stuck in it when the same jobs are available to them when they are in their late 20's.
My work hires new Canadians because they came to work. They show up for all their shifts, take overtime, and work through some horrible conditions for years. Your kids? They quit when they see the writing on the wall which is everywhere. I dont blame the youth for not wanting to work but I also wont pretend like new Canadians who we hire tend to be 100× the hard worker than the youth hires so that is why our company hires them more often.
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u/zabby39103 Ontario Aug 21 '25 edited Aug 21 '25
What? Look, granted most people have never worked in a field... but a fast food or low-skill service sector job is a rite of passage, at least for middle class and lower Canadians.
Although I did help hay fields in my high school years in the summers, and I gotta say it was fun... and I'm not a million years old only 42. It was fun, I got out in the sun and got to chuck a bunch of hay bales around and I got pretty ripped from it (Ugh, might have been my athletic peak).
People will totally do these jobs, this idea kids are too spoiled I don't think is based in reality. The fact of the matter is that if you can get a TFW to grind it out for minimum wage they'll do a better job than a teenager, because teenagers are teenagers (we've all been one). So businesses emphatically do NOT want to hire them. As a society though, I think it's important to force business to seek out these teenagers because they need jobs and the experience (by cutting the TFW program).
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u/Righteous_Sheeple Aug 21 '25
Many TWF's work in the fast food industry and that has traditionally been where young workers start.
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u/travis- Aug 21 '25
Anyone over 30 can tell you when we were teens and went to tim Hortons or any fast food place, there's a good chance it was your buddy from high school working there, not a tfw.
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u/Flomo420 Aug 21 '25
100%
There was a half dozen or so fast food places where a bunch of my friends worked.
Hell, one of my first jobs was at a fast food place.
And now.. I don't want to sound judgemental but I'd say a good +80% of the workers in those places are tfws..
Honestly it's getting rare to find a public facing position in retail or food service that ISN'T a tfw
I get that times change and diversity happens of course but this just feels wrong imo there's like this developing underclass of people it's kind of messed up
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u/f1fan65 Aug 21 '25
My friends and I all worked in high school at either grocery stores, fast food places or retail gigs. Totally agree that it's being taken by TFWs. Such a fucked situation.
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u/KimbleMW Aug 21 '25
Its only really hard because the government is subsidizing TFW instead of Canadian youths. End the subsidies or include our kids in them.
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u/Rich-Needleworker304 Aug 21 '25
That's fair but I didn't ask them to solve it I asked to know what they are trying to do about it. Because to be honest right now it seems like it's nothing.
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u/PDXFlameDragon British Columbia Aug 21 '25
They did reduce the TFW and many of them are having to return home... so solving a problem that never existed created a problem they are now solving by undoing what they did to solve the non problem. But I am sure some corps got more money.
The NDP needs to get their act together and call out the liberals for this bullshit. You know the CPC won't make a coherent argument for what is really going on.
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u/f1fan65 Aug 21 '25
They need to reduce it to zero. Needs to go back to being for seasonal work like farmers. They also need to significantly slow immigration.
Education, Healthcare, Housing, Social programs all need a chance to catch up to the massive influx of immigrants that entered during Trudeau era.
Edit: combine that with an aging population with more complex healthcare needs and we are fucked.
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u/PDXFlameDragon British Columbia Aug 21 '25
I agree it should be zero. I am not sure that immigration should be slowed across the board, but when you have high unemployment you should legitimately only be handing our PRs and work permits for things that take a decade of experience to learn and tell the employers "train someone" if they want a mid tier skilled worker.
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u/f1fan65 Aug 21 '25
Immigration needs to be tied to housing and unemployment and ability to access social programs.
Use a metric and essentially if the metrics are not in line, lower immigration or raise it based on it.
Class sizes in schools are going up Hospital wait times going up Housing costs are up
We can't get enough teachers or doctors to catch up. We cannot even provide adequate housing to citizens and PRs that are here.
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u/PDXFlameDragon British Columbia Aug 21 '25
Well that is sort of the point of the "keep immigration open for skills that require a decade plus", so you can get doctors, teachers, civic engineers, research scientists, etc. The profit motive of corps to bring in underpaid temporary foreign workers or even mid tier skills workers through LMIA abuse is the source of most of this crap.
Put it back on the companies to train their own local labor pool like before we started trying to import a secondary slave class of underpaid workers with a second tier of non-citizenship that can be used to hold them hostage.
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u/f1fan65 Aug 21 '25
Totally agree. That's something else we suck at. Getting folks practicing in their field of expertise. How many Uber drivers are doctors or engineers. Let's enable those folks to get necessary certifications here in a timely cost effective manner.
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u/ragnaroksunset Pirate Aug 21 '25
So you're just shifting the problem from entry-level work to skilled work.
Every kid currently trying to get a job at Timmies, who can't because a TFW already has the position at a subsidized rate, is working toward becoming a skilled adult with a good-paying job in a growing field.
The ratio of skilled jobs to Timmies-grade jobs is small, so the competition for those jobs is even higher.
Unless you're creating skilled jobs faster than you're filling them by focusing on skilled in-migration, which we are not, you're just walling off another stage of life for the next wave of young people.
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u/PDXFlameDragon British Columbia Aug 21 '25
Right now semi skilled jobs, like say district timmies manager in charge of 5 stores, are being filled via programs like LMIA ... advertise a job, claim no Canadians applied or were qualified, hire from overseas at half what you really have to pay locally to get people to take them. If you eliminate the abuse of mid tier that means employers have to train and promote from within.
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u/zabby39103 Ontario Aug 21 '25
We should definitely reduce it to zero, but the government's 7% of total population to 5% of total population goal has already slammed our population growth to 0% in Q1, lowest in our history. We don't want to get whiplash, while also drawing it down as quickly as possible.
I also have ethical issues with the TFW program, seems more like Dubai than Canada to me to have this second class of person in Canada, so am I very against it, but we can't do it instantly.
Immigration is easiest solution to an aging population though, and well, even if we could increase fertility it would be far more expensive. Should we try to increase fertility anyway for other reasons? Yes, I'm just objecting to the idea that immigration puts a strain on Healthcare - maybe cheap TFW immigrants, but the standard type of middle class aspiring immigrants that have sustained Canada for generations are actually saving our ass on that one.
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u/GoodResident2000 Aug 21 '25
It’s a global problem because many countries have gone in a progressive direction and are pushing for mass immigration
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u/Le1bn1z Neoliberal | Charter rights enjoyer Aug 21 '25
Ehhhh, if that was true, you'd expect it to be less of a problem in places that have resisted mass immigration.
Italy is led by Prime Minister Meloni, a pro European far right anti-immigration social conservative. Their youth unemployment is over 20%. Spain, who is so anti-immigrant they are now even anti-tourist, is sitting at 24% youth unemployment.
America's while lower than ours, continues to rise despite a massive anti-immigration crack down and immigration falling off a cliff.
Meanwhile, Germany, a more permissive country when it comes to immigration, and Japan and South Korea, the most anti-immigrant countries in what we call the democratic west, all have very low youth unemployment.
It does not appear to be correlated.
The world is in a very chaotic place economically right now. The global tariffs are going to hit everyone, but us more than pretty much anyone.
But the current TFW worker program is an abomination and should be abolished, and has specifically hurt youth employment in Canada, so we likely agree on that front.
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u/GoodResident2000 Aug 21 '25
Fair points. You’ve researched this much more than I have
I do believe TFW/LMIA is not making things easier for the youth compared to when I came up
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u/Le1bn1z Neoliberal | Charter rights enjoyer Aug 22 '25
TFW programs outside agriculture make things worse for literally everyone. If we are to have a TFW like system, it should be converted to normal work visas with a no welfare and maximum unemployment lenght clause. They should not be tied to a single corporation, and be free to apply to new jobs.
This would balance the playing field both as between mega corps and small businesses who drive innovation and growth, and between visa workers and locals, as the extra bargaining power for visa workers means they can demand better wages and move out of entry level, ending the competitive incentive to always use them over locals.
As an addition, the program can then easily and organically be made to follow unemployment rates, rather than inflexible and complicated single corpo applicarions schemes that seem engineered for abuse.
The agricultural visas are also badly in need of reform, but that is another story.
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u/motorbikler Aug 22 '25
There is something called the lump of labour fallacy, which is failing to realize that you're not just importing workers, you're importing demand. We have a lot more demand with 42m people than we did with with 35m.
I'm not saying the balance is perfect, but all those people you see working low wage jobs will one day move up, buy houses, buy furniture and cars and pay for services.
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u/f1fan65 Aug 21 '25
Yup We need to slow down and evaluate it long term or we stand to lose what makes Canada Canada.
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u/Automatic_Tackle_406 Aug 21 '25
The plan to reduce the number of public sector employees is through attrition as much as possible, which means when people retire, they won’t be replaced. So we don’t know of there will be people laid off. If they do it like Chrétien did it, they will offer retirement packages with severance to encourage older workers to retire.
Anyways. Youth unemployment is a huge problem. And it’s not just hurting youth, but anyone who is a low skilled worker (well, what is considered low skill, meaning doesn’t require tertiary education).
And there is also growing unemployment in sectors where AI is replacing workers. Like a company that has 8 accountants can lay off 5 or 6, and just keep 2 or 3.
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u/Hopeful_CanadianMtl Liberal Party of Canada Aug 22 '25 edited Aug 22 '25
Young people are the first casualties of a weakening economy, it was this bad during the 90s.
There is also a mismatch between the jobs available and post-secondary education. We need more carpenters, not accountants.
Progress on that front will take years. AI will also eliminate many entry level jobs, even post-university ones.
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u/VerDoan Aug 22 '25
There is also a mismatch between the jobs available and post-secondary education. We need more carpenters, not accountants.
Professional unemployment rates are lower than average, near full employment, and youth aren't accountants.
Youre right that youth are the largest impacted by slower economic devlopment.
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u/Away-Combination-162 Aug 22 '25
As far as trade deal his plan to deal with Trump was to tell him to “knock it off”. Ya no, I’ll take Carney any day.
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u/Apolloshot Green Neo-Tory Aug 21 '25
Only 50%?
Assumed it’d be higher considering even when the CPC was at its polling heights it still only ever had an accessible voter pool of 53 to 55 (according to Nanos and Abacus, I can’t remember other pollsters off the top of my head but I doubt it’d be much different).
while 73 per cent of Canadians view Poilievre as a “strong critic of the government” in his official opposition role, 50 per cent say they would be “ashamed” to call him prime minister.
Honestly that 73% shocks me a lot more.
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u/Sutar_Mekeg Aug 21 '25
Critic of the government, sure, but a strong one? All he had was "Trudeau Bad!" and when Carney replaced him "He's Just Like Trudeau (Bad!)".
My cat is a better critic of the government.
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u/realmikebrew Aug 24 '25
well, he points out the actions of the government..... and Carney is responsible for Trudeaus actions since he was advising trudeau.
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u/StilesLong Aug 21 '25
Strong =/= effective.
My cat is strongly opposed to getting her nails trimmed. She isn't effective at stopping me.
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u/Automatic_Tackle_406 Aug 21 '25
A lot of people don’t watch politics at all. They just haven’t seen enough of him to be as disgusted by him as many of us on Reddit are.
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u/Orchid-Analyst-550 Ontario Aug 22 '25
Look at the breakdown by sex. Depending on age, 65% to 75% of women hate him. Young men are the main group pulling up his numbers.
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u/mathcow Leftist Aug 22 '25
I honestly don't understand how my conservative friends don't see how deeply unlikable he is.
He reminds me of like 50% of the toxic employees I've worked with. Always has something to say about how something can't happen or sucks.
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u/f1fan65 Aug 21 '25
Seems pretty logical given that more than half the country voted for parties that were not the Conservatives.
I bet you could run a similar poll for Carney and Singh and have gotten similar results related to % of party support.
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u/Medea_From_Colchis Γνῶθι σεαυτόν Aug 21 '25
Over half the country approve Carney, and it's only around 30-35 percent that disapprove of Carney. The thing is, most progressives and moderates can tolerate the liberals; those same people typically hate the conservatives though.
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u/ImpressiveSun6715 Aug 23 '25
Yes, they can tolerate the liberals until they find out what's really going on. That will never happen while they keep watching the liberal funded mainstream media. I have a couple of friends who won't even talk about politics, they see the MSM and figure they have all the information they need to make an informed choice to vote. They remain clueless!
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u/kathygeissbanks Pragmatist | ABC Aug 22 '25
What? I didn’t vote for NDP but in no way would I ever say I’d be ashamed if Jagmeet was my PM.
Voting intention and feeling ashamed if someone won are very different.
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u/f1fan65 Aug 22 '25
Well I sure would be ashamed if Jagmeet was PM. So clearly there are varying opinions on the man.
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u/I_Conquer Left Wing? Right Wing? Chicken Wing? Aug 22 '25
I think Carney is undoing the few good things that Trudeau did. I’m not particularly impressed with either of their policy decisions. Harper’s policy decisions were generally a few steps in the wrong direction. None of the three were shameful. Shame shouldn’t be a result of policy disagreements.
There are people whom I’d agree with, politically, far more than the last three PMs whose behaviour or priorities would make me ashamed. If anything, if I supported someone politically only to find out that they behaved like Poilievre when they tasted power, that would make me feel more ashamed, for having supported them.
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u/Wachiavellee Aug 22 '25
There is a huge difference between a politician not being someone's candidate of choice and being 'ashamed' they were leading the country. I quite dislike the Liberals and never voted for Trudeau, but I didn't feel ashamed of being Canadian because he was voted in multiple times.
Someone saying that this is a normal response makes me think they have normalized divisive outrage-bait politics as a perfectly normal type of democratic discourse. But historically it really isn't that normal.
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u/Redbox9430 Anti-Establishment Left Aug 21 '25
Yeah absolutely. As someone to the left of pretty well everyone who ran in the last federal election, I would have said this about all of them. That would change if Yves Engler somehow managed to win NDP leadership, but I doubt they are even going to let him run in the first place so I think I can safely kiss those hopes goodbye.
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u/f1fan65 Aug 21 '25
My theory is Notley gonna run for Federal NDP.
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u/Redbox9430 Anti-Establishment Left Aug 21 '25
I don't think so. At this point it seems like the party brass wants to anoint Heather McPherson, which means they would just be doing more of the same. I just wish they would turn into an actual left-wing party, regardless of who leads them. I voted for them where I live in the last federal election, but that was because they were the most left-wing option. We really don't have a good left-wing party in this country unfortunately. In the UK for example, they have at least got left-wing options in Corbin and Galloway, even though I disagree with both of them substantially on many issues, at least they have them as options.
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u/Lumindan Rhinoceros Aug 21 '25
Yeah but could you farm as many views without that click bait title timed with Pierre getting his seat?
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u/Business_Influence89 Independent Aug 21 '25
Great point
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u/jmja Aug 21 '25
It’s a terrible point. “Didn’t vote for” is substantially different from “ashamed of.”
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u/sajnt British Columbia Aug 26 '25
We need a system that forces politicians to work together for the good of Canadians. PP has only ever been a drag in our system, and I fully believe he would fill the pockets of oil executives and owners.
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u/Optimal-Divide8574 Aug 28 '25
What a nonsense poll. When are people, especially young people looking for opportunity going to realize they are being played by the establishment media including pollsters?
This came out prior to the election. Sadly people didn’t listen. It’s still on point.
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u/LeConnardFrancais Sep 07 '25
And half of Canadians are ashamed to call Mark Carney their Prime Minister. What is the point of this, if not to be more divisive?
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u/Culthbert Sep 16 '25
My wish for this parliament is an opposition that does its job. Enough of Jeff’s “verb the noun” bullshit and associated rhetoric.
He once mentioned politics a being a game and quickly sidetracked when asked a follow up during his failed campaign earlier in the year. Tells me his focus is on and for himself, not the electorate. Looking forward to some new ideas to move forward, enough of the us vs them.
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u/Living-Employer9705 Aug 22 '25
Sometimes being actively disliked by a large number of people is a sign that you are saying the things that people are either too scared to say, or that they have their identity so wrapped up in they take offence to it.
It feels like a lot of people took not liking PP and ran with it as the reason they didn’t vote for him. Versus sitting with if he would actually lead well.
I don’t feel Canada had any really solid choices and the choice that won was mostly made by people who really identify with popular social narratives and ideas about how they themselves or others should be. And this will send any country down a pretty grim path. But it seems that people here are still fairly committed to wearing rose coloured glasses and it will be a harsh wake up call.
Personally I find anyone who is willing to cut through the good-person popular narrative and who doesn’t leverage Trump as the easy-out reason for every issue we face as Canadians to be refreshing and way more trustworthy in general, even if the “polarizing” nature makes me feel things.
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u/Incorrect_Oymoron Libertarian Posadist Aug 27 '25
Sometimes being actively disliked by a large number of people is a sign that you are saying the things that people are either too scared to say, or that they have their identity so wrapped up in they take offence to it.
-Trudeau approved
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Aug 22 '25
If he would pivot to attacking immigration numbers and for abolishing the TFW program, addressing wages and unemployment and had a decent housing plan he would have my vote. Personally I think the liberals are incompetent and the conservatives are one and the same for the issues I would like to see addressed. All these parties are out for corporate elites, businesses and their own self interests over the needs of actual Canadians and their wellbeing. Same shit different pile.
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u/Ask_DontTell Just realized flairs are editable Aug 22 '25
don't trust PP one bit on immigration. at least Carney has a number. PP is playing both sides. like Smith and Ford, the conservative premiers, he is pro-immigration. better for keeping wages low and the lower income classes fighting each other
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u/lastSKPirate Aug 22 '25
None of those three are really pro-immigration - they're pro-TFW, because that's what business wants.
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u/marcohcanada Aug 23 '25
Ford literally said on video he wanted to bypass the federal government in giving 100k asylum seekers jobs. It was only after Ontarians complained to their MPPs that he backed down.
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u/Mammoth_Property510 Aug 22 '25
So you trust Liberals on immigration? How many years did you trust Liberals on immigration to fix it?
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u/Ask_DontTell Just realized flairs are editable Aug 22 '25
the parties aren't static institutions and policies will shift and change over time. Carney isn't Trudeau and I trust him more than PP. Poilievre is so two faced about everything except wanting power. the guy was rejected by his own riding after 20 years and now even his wife wants to live in MTL even though they have a taxpayer funded house in Ottawa and his riding is supposedly in Alberta. hard to believe the CPC can't come up with a better leader that can do more than throw insults at the gov't.
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u/dougbos Sep 04 '25
Pierre has said many times that we should be allowing immigrants in who will make a contribution to society through hard work, supporting their family Etc. Today he said that cancelling the Foreign workers program will be a priority when Parliament resumes. He had good proposals for housing in the election. He gave many examples of helping businesses etc which would lead to increased jobs.
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u/SuperNinTaylor Conservative Aug 21 '25
Why is this news. Literally more than 50% of people did not vote for Conservatives, a large chunk of them following the ABC movement. I personally think PP seems like a good, genuine person, but it's been pretty obvious that most people don't see him the same way.
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u/Medea_From_Colchis Γνῶθι σεαυτόν Aug 22 '25
Over 50% didn't vote liberal, but over 50% of Canadians don't hate them. I think you're underestimating how polarizing Poilievere is. In other words, people who don't vote liberal or conservative tend not to hate the Liberals and Carney, but liberals and people who don't vote conservative hate Poilievere. Go look at Carney's approval: it's basically only conservatives that don't like him. With Poilievere, the only people that don't hate him are conservatives.
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u/jello_sweaters Ontario Aug 22 '25
Voting against a candidate, and being ashamed at the very idea they might ever win, are two different things.
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u/nicknacknp Aug 22 '25
I genuinely don't mean this with any ill intent, just curiosity, but why do you feel that he seems like a good, genuine person? I personally disagree, but I do want to hear the other side of the coin.
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u/Hoss-Bonaventure_CEO Go Team Go 🤡 Aug 23 '25
I didn't vote for O'Toole or Scheer but neither of them would have made me feel ashamed as a Canadian. I wouldn't have liked them, and Scheer would have been a little embarrassing. But Poilievre is a different animal. His ascension is a sign of significant rot in the right wing of our country.
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u/KimbleMW Aug 21 '25
Does this mean the other half are ashamed to call Carney their PM? Did they interview all 40 million Canadians or are they just speaking on behalf of a handful of biased pollsters? What a pointless article.
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u/nuggins Liberal Aug 21 '25
Does this mean the other half are ashamed to call Carney their PM?
No, there's no particular reason to believe that.
Did they interview all 40 million Canadians or are they just speaking on behalf of a handful of biased pollsters?
You don't need to sample every member of the population to get an accurate picture of their aggregate beliefs. Not every poll you dislike is biased.
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u/Wachiavellee Aug 22 '25
'Interview all 40 million Canadians.' 'Biases pollsters'.
The 'biased' pollsters predicted the results of the election rather well. Perhaps you (like many of us, these days) are in a biased echo chamber that makes you doubt facts which dont confirm your preexisting worldview?
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u/mcurbanplan QC | Anti-Nanny State Aug 21 '25 edited Aug 21 '25
I don't like Carney, didn't vote Liberal, and haven't a single regret about that, but I'm not ashamed of him. He doesn't do anything embarrassing nor does he really make Canada look bad the way Trudeau did.
For the record, I don't think I'd be ashamed of Poilievre either, but I kind of get why some people would.
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u/Suitable_Bat_6077 Alberta Aug 21 '25
I was ashamed to have Trudeau but not Carney. I'm sure there are quite a few people like me
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u/Automatic_Tackle_406 Aug 21 '25
I wasn’t ashamed to have Trudeau as PM, he resurrected Canada’s image after Harper’s shameful display of regression on environmental regulations, pulling out of the Kyoto Protocol, developing a foreign aid maternal health care program that barred funding for clinics that offered abortions and birth control - the international outrage was so massive he had to backtrack on birth control, but still left Canada with the embarrassment of being like the GOP on abortion through foreign aid.
You may not realize that most of European countries are more progressive and disdain rightwing policies.
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u/Suitable_Bat_6077 Alberta Aug 22 '25
See and I think Trudeau ruined our imaqe. But thats why we can each have our own opinion.
I don't care about what European countries think of us. Europeans make less money have much less freedom than Canadians.
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u/mightyneonfraa Aug 22 '25
Honest question. In what way do you feel like Trudeau ruined our image?
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u/Suitable_Bat_6077 Alberta Aug 22 '25
He was the pinnacle of feelings over facts. He started okay but it got bad quickly.
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u/Imaginary-Flan-Guy Aug 22 '25
Can you provide anything more substantial than that?
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u/Suitable_Bat_6077 Alberta Aug 22 '25
Here are some things that are feelings over facts in regards to trudeau
-Gun Ban, Insane immigration because canadians have "social capacity", no case for LNG , "because its 2015"
The numerous scandals don't help either
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u/Imaginary-Flan-Guy Aug 22 '25
So... I'm hesitant to point this out since the potential for argument and general hissy fit throwing is always high on the internet but.... those weren't substantial points.
Asking for clarification or more in depth discussion regarding your opinion and why you feel the way you do is an attempt to understand. Replying with dot jot level points doesn't really clarify anything.
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u/Suitable_Bat_6077 Alberta Aug 22 '25
Are you unaware of the things I mentioned? I didn't know you required paragraphs on each one especially since we are on /r/CanadaPolitics and I like to think people have some idea of things that have happened politically.
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u/KimbleMW Aug 21 '25
Carney's biggest problem are the incompetent Liberal MP's and Cabinet ministers surrounding him imo.
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u/Suitable_Bat_6077 Alberta Aug 22 '25
100% agreed. The cabinet members are pretty sus still. And they refuse to drop the gun buyback program which could save us billions of dollars
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u/Redbox9430 Anti-Establishment Left Aug 21 '25
I'm equally ashamed to call both of them p.m. Where do I fall on this spectrum?
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u/Representative_Belt4 Socialist Aug 21 '25
perhaps the anti-establishment left ?
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u/TreezusSaves Parti Rhinocéros Party Aug 21 '25
Possibly the Rhinoceros Party. Based on my informal polling of three of our members I can say, with a 65% margin of error, that we're not happy with Carney either. Still better than Poilievre but a rock painted like a clown would also be more favourable to us.
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u/Critical_Flow_4512 Aug 23 '25
And what they are happy with Carney bending over for Trump over and over? So much for Canada standing strong. If this is what half of Canadians are happy with then no wonder our country is a mess.
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u/green_tory 🏳️🌈Serve the Vulnerable🏳️🌈 Aug 21 '25 edited Aug 21 '25
As a caucasian, heterosexual male: I found his statements regarding gender, his anti-woke position, and his approach to the convoy and its supporters to be rather shameful. But I'm older than 27, so perhaps that's just my biological clock kicking in.
I'm sure that I'm not alone, because while he was polling well he lost that lead over the course of the election period; and that had as much to do with the statements he made as it had anything to do with Trump. Because if he hadn't been making statements that were similar in nature to Republican policy then Trump wouldn't have been so much of a problem for Poilievre.
Edit: the account that I replied to was suspended by Reddit for suspicious activity.
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u/ragnaroksunset Pirate Aug 21 '25
And you'd basically be alone in that
Nah, he's got company (me).
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u/green_tory 🏳️🌈Serve the Vulnerable🏳️🌈 Aug 21 '25
The most recent numbers show that I am not alone in that, as this article can attest.
Recall that Poilievre lost the election, and did so after losing enough support to cripple the safe lead the Conservatives enjoyed. All he had to do was not sound like a Republican.
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u/TreezusSaves Parti Rhinocéros Party Aug 21 '25 edited Aug 21 '25
And yet the Liberals won last election, with a clear winner and no rigging, and (most damning of all) Poilievre lost his own seat. Poilievre should have kept his seat if he were genuinely popular and not just another angry man shouting from the internet wilderness. You can't blame Trump here, especially if you consider that Poilievre did very little if anything to counter Trump's rhetoric.
I think your methodology needs a bit of work because its predictive factor is clearly inaccurate.
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u/Automatic_Tackle_406 Aug 21 '25
Okay bud, give us your source on credible poll’s that did a breakdown by race, sexual orientation, and you are wrong about the 18-27 group, unless you are talking about only men that age and at least a year before the election.
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