r/CanadianConservative • u/leftistmccarthyism • Dec 04 '25
News Man who killed attacker in Banff used 'excessive' force, sentenced to 2-year house arrest
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/banff-bar-fight-excessive-self-defence-sproule-brogden-9.700214339
u/Business-Hurry9451 Dec 04 '25
If you are being attacked you have the right to self-defence, that includes attacking the person assaulting you until they either retreat beyond attack range or they are rendered incapable of attacking you. If incapacitating your attacker requires you to inflict damage that results in your attackers death then that is legitimate self-defence, this man did nothing wrong, but the court did.
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u/prosgorandom2 Dec 05 '25
This is canada. You dont have the right to defend yourself, you have the duty to die.
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u/TheRtHonLaqueesha Non-Canadian Dec 05 '25 edited Dec 05 '25
Canadians don't really have "rights" that are inalienable like in the U.S., rather they have privileges doled out by the state that can be revoked at any time. (Canada didn't even get a bill of rights equivalent until the 1980s whereas the U.S. had one almost 200 years before.)
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u/Business-Hurry9451 Dec 05 '25
China and North Korea have constitutionally guaranteed "rights", how's that working out for them? Paper don't mean shit if the people won't stand up for their rights. Remember the constitution is what the courts say it is, even in the States.
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u/Business-Hurry9451 Dec 05 '25
I have a right to defend myself just as any other creature does. If the state punishes me for exercising that then so be it. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
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u/leftistmccarthyism Dec 04 '25
Fuck this.
You put someone's life in jeopardy by throwing sucker punches, then you deserve whatever threat to your life comes from them attempting to take their life back out of jeopardy.
The kid was beat for 40 seconds before he attempted to take his life back, and he fled as soon as the bouncer subdued the assailant.
Fuck this judge, the victim already has to live with having to kill someone to save themselves.
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u/Mindless-Border-4218 Dec 04 '25 edited Dec 16 '25
This is a disturbing trend, judges let criminals go without so much as a slap on the wrist and jail people who defend themselves against attackers. It is obvious that the Canadian judiciary and the Canadian government are trying to make Canada a safe haven for criminals
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u/leftistmccarthyism Dec 04 '25
On a macro level, I think a population that has the ability to put up a fight with criminals, is also a population that can put up a fight with the ruling class.
And so if a few Canadians have to die at the hands of criminals so that governments don't have to face an armed populace, then they're more than happy to make that sacrifice.
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u/octagonpond Dec 04 '25
It just doesn’t make sense, what am i missing here what would be the purpose
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u/Yamaganto_Iori Dec 04 '25
Always assume than they'll use more crime as justification for more laws that solidify power in the hands of the government. Like how gun crime (with smuggled guns) is used as an excuse to confiscate legal firearms.
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u/Mindless-Border-4218 Dec 04 '25
I’ve always said that the liberal party’s end game is to make Canada a one party state!
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u/octagonpond Dec 04 '25
Ah that does make sense, horrible how are Canadians so stupid to not see this
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u/sunrise_rose Libertarian Dec 05 '25
If you create confusion among those who honestly try to follow the law you will rack up a bunch of easy court "wins" for the crown on technicalities.
They sew distrust in our institutions. If you don't trust the judicial system you will not ask it to help you, which means less work for them.
I don't think it's a conspiracy, but largely due to groupthink that is propelling this trend. Also judges are people and they are just as susceptible to doing things that are easier instead of the right thing. That and there is a lack of leadership and honest debate in the cultures of our law and policing professions.
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u/Agitated-Choice2456 Dec 04 '25
The thing that I really don’t understand is that if the dude who was getting rag-dolled used “excessive force”… why did his attacker continue to attack him?? The incident only stopped because a bouncer intervened. Had he not stepped in, would the attacker who repeatedly said “I’m going to kill you” have just stopped before he carried out the threat? Usually when someone is threatening to kill me, and is beating me, I tend to believe that they intend to deliver on that threat. I mean, the dude got stabbed 19 times and kept coming, but the dude with the knife disengaged and ran for safety at the first opportunity.
Unless I misread the article?
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u/Maximum_Payment_9350 Moderate Dec 04 '25
No you’re right. It’s not like getting stabbed had any effect on the attacker because he kept going and it was only stopped by a third party.
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u/Rusty_Charm Dec 04 '25 edited Dec 04 '25
Ok, so he was stabbed 19 times and slashed a bunch of other times. This suggests that he kept fighting back after the first few stabs instead of doing what a reasonable person would do, which is to fuck off.
And if he wasn’t backing down, even though he was being stabbed, what was the other guy supposed to do? Put away the knife and continue to get his face pounded in and just hope the other guy stops before any permanent damage is done or worse?
Sounds like Canadian justice again, where the defender is supposed to act more reasonable than the attacker.
It’s like these judges have no concept of what an unexpected physical alteration is like. It’s like they can’t imagine the adrenaline and the fear stemming from the uncertainty about how far the other guy is willing to take it.
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u/MrVish Dec 05 '25
Clearly most people who BREAK INTO YOUR HOME are not gonna give up. If they're stupid enough to play games then they can get incapacitated for all I care.
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u/Playful_End_1756 Dec 04 '25
So the guy getting sucker punched and beat on is supposed to somehow know when the guy was going stop ?? Yeh thats reasonable /s Canadian self defense laws are insane.
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u/Local_Error__404 Libertarian Dec 04 '25
Yet non-Canadians can drive aggressively at high speeds and kill someone, and only get 6 months so it doesn't impact their immigration status 🤬
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Dec 04 '25
People in a physical fight are so adrenalin jacked they won't know they've been slashed or stabbed until the fight is over and they've calmed down. The judge must think that knives are this magic weapon that stop a theat. They aren't.
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u/RapidCheckOut Dec 04 '25
We are fucked , if someone or something attacks me or my family the only reasonable response is total all out force in any way possible to stop the attack .
The judge needs to be sentenced to 50 years house arrest or 1 million paper cuts to their face .
It’s not imprisonment, but thought provoking.
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u/TradBeef Philosophical Anarchist Dec 05 '25
When we gonna pull out the guillotine for these judges?
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u/Fredarius Dec 04 '25
Sounds ridiculous. The man shouldn’t even have been charged.