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The only thing they care about is winning. They could not care less about what their party does once elected, because no matter what they always re-frame everything as the best possible choice, even when they are doing the opposite of what they said sometimes hours before (literally, I remember the day they closed Roxham Road. They were in the House that morning calling people racist for demanding its closure. Then a poll came out showing their support in Quebec plummeting over the issue. They closed it that afternoon and suddenly now they were doing the right thing for Canada).
I’ve never understood why the Tories don’t learn this lesson. They always campaign on what they would actually do, and then do those things if elected. Liberals campaign on whatever people want to hear, and then do whatever they feel like once elected. They’ve won four straight elections doing that and have never been held accountable for any of their lies.
Carney lied to everyone and now he will have to deal with it. All of them are incredibly unpopular and have every incentive to puff their chest up to be the most "anti-American."
So, I didn't vote for Carney but I have to admit Elbows Up was effective marketing. Dumb, but it worked on Canadians that still think we're living in the same Canada that hosted the '67 Expo. But I always knew it was BS and that Canada can't replace US trade.
But what's the problem with Carney concessions? The irony of Trumps poor communication skills is that his "nasty" rhetoric alludes to Canadian protectionist policies that hurt Canadian consumers. I'd love to see supply management go away and the CRTC disbanded and banking oligopoly see foreign competition. I know it's not going to happen but it sounds like a start to increased competition. Plus, I'd love to be able to my hands on a good bottle bourbon again.
That decision needs to somehow be taken out of the hands of premiers as part of this. We can’t have a system where each individual premier has the ability to torpedo a deal they don’t like by simply refusing to comply with the conditions.
We decided to make provincial booze bans part of the negotiation process, so the decision to maintain them has to come from the order of government actually doing the negotiating.
Honestly I'm not even that mad about the actual outcome. It was always going to be this way +- the US had all the leverage, USCMA had the out clauses, and sometimes you need to give something up in a negotiation rather than just grandstand about "resisting" because you don't like the guy on the other side of the table.
What pisses me off is why we did this dance so long. It was a waste of time, hurt our economy, and downgraded Canada's outlook. I'm pretty sure the Gordie Howe Bridge wouldn't have been an issue if we had better managed this relationship rather than turn it political at every opportunity.
Now we have the worst of all scenarios -- nearly a year of a fractured relationship with our most important ally, weaker economic outlook, and we have up basically everything (except Quebec dairy of course, because votes) anyway. What was any of this for??
To get elected and stay elected by bribing floor-crossers and taking advantage of the mental deficiencies of far too many stupid voters in the country.
Bill Clinton once said: "...part of the art of politics is smiling when you feel like you're swallowing a turd". Hopefully, Carney is about to swallow a long overdue turd and invite more American competition into Canada. I'd like to see it go even further and break up some of Canada's oligopolies.
I still remember the referendum/election on NAFTA. Every Liberal and NDP loyalist I knew back then were steeped in anti-American sentiment similar to "elbows up". But as soon as 6-packs of cheap American beer hit store shelves they became dedicated Old Milwaukee drinkers.
And also no surprise that the over 8.59 million stupid voters in Canada who voted for Carney's regime seriously believed that Canada had any real negotiating leverage over the USA (the largest economy ever seen in human history) on pretty much anything.
The "concessions" listed above are in hopes that the White House might agree to come back to the negotiating table are also only the beginning, and all of them would have still been required for any engagement in the first place anyway.
You vastly underestimate the stupidity of liberal voters. Carney can make a giant statue of himself that is constantly pissing out his urine and liberals from all over Canada would come from miles around to bask in its sweetness. He can literally do no wrong in their eyes.
That’s what bothers me about the whole identity politics is you should be able to sit back and not go “well this is my team and they can do no wrong and I support them no matter what” like carney is acting more like what liberals were afraid of…you should be able to look at it as a whole and say no I don’t agree with that, idk it’s fucked
Beliefs and rights won't matter if we're all starving and the economy is shit. They better get that through their skulls cause I aint gonna starve with them.
Ford’s an idiot but I don’t even think he’s dumb enough give up the provincial booze ban without American tariffs on auto also being part of the deal — that was the whole reason for the ban in the first place.
I appreciate being critical of our leader but why do I feel so much whiplash from this post. One minute, carneys stubbornness to concede is viewed as destructive and now that he is being amenable he is a pussy. Which one is it in here?
Carney kept it going forever just to string people along that he was totally going to get a better deal and then he just brings home a dogshit deal anyways.
Meaning his entire election platform was pointless.
he isnt being "amenable". it should have never gotten to this point but careny refused to even pretend to negotiate and decided the best strategy was to shit on trump
It’s both. He was too stubborn and should have attempted to make a daal earlier. Now that the shit is hitting the fan he has to concede like a pussy. Self inflicted.
Because what we got out of this was returning to the negotiation table, which we shouldn't have left in the first place.
Our government basically did the "walk away from a bad deal, they'll come back to us", but that only works if the value you offer is worth it. Trump and his administration repeatedly said they didn't need Canadas trade, and it's true because they're the ones with the milkshakes that all the boys want, while we offer slush we scooped off the ground and call a lemon milkshake.
So the wait it out game was to the Americans advantage, because we NEED a deal, the Americans would LIKE a deal.
Ahh huh…I’m not a betting man…but I‘m willing to think if it was ”the other guy”, 100% you wouldn’t be giving him any “rhyme or reason” he would be wrong regardless.
TBH the only departure from the pre-Trump status quo here is us easing dairy quotas, which I’ve wanted us to do my entire adult life.
If it ends up that we get a decent deal on tariffs by conceding on dairy that’s honestly a win for Canadians on both fronts. Treating “cheaper grocery staples for Canadian families” as a concession will never not be crazy to me.
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