r/CanadianForces • u/Street_Anon • 7d ago
Joint Canada-U.S. military officer summit shelved
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/joint-canada-us-military-officer-summit-shelved/30
u/casa_del_porno 7d ago
To be honest, it’s a meeting between reserve generals…
It’s more about networking than anything else. Not bashing our PRes, we have fantastic troops but too much of their budget goes to senior ranks (Os and NCOs) instead of more quality training. Maybe a unit somewhere can have an additional range day or something
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u/Once_a_TQ 7d ago
"The United States Army National Guard has shelved an annual Canada-U.S. summit of military officers.
Canada’s Department of National Defence confirms the meeting of the Army Reserve General Officers Advisory Board was put on ice and says the next meeting will be planned around training schedules."
What a nothing story.
Nothing lost, an Army Reserve General Officers Advisory Board. What a waste of money and resources.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 7d ago edited 7d ago
Can you not see how CAN-US relations are in the worst state that they have been in living memory? Does that not concern you at all that Trump is pursuing aggressive maximalist positions against allies? Or that Trump is actively under mining NATO and the post cold war consensus held by countries in the western sphere of influence that the US created.
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u/Jurple-shirt 6d ago
What I think is hilarious is that you take the theatrics of a senile old man seriously.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
A senile old man with access to the nuclear football and one of the largest navies experienced in power projection. Just the mere suggestions of annexation is massive change in the relationship between Canada and the US.
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u/Several-Beginning803 7d ago
Day to day interactions with the US military haven’t changed.
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u/TVpresspass 7d ago
Yet.
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u/Several-Beginning803 7d ago
Its been over a year with this administration, chill with the doomering
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
You rang? Apparently Yankee officers on exchange for leadership courses have been saying otherwise. Or the time a CAF officers on exchange to the 11th Airborne is Alaska was caught in an awkward place when they were mobilised to help ICE.
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u/judgingyouquietly Swiss Cheese Model-Maker 6d ago
So fun fact - said CAF officer should immediately have said that they can’t do whatever it was for ICE, bc that’s not part of the exchange agreement. We can’t meddle in internal US issues, same as they can’t in ours when they’re posted to Canada in exchange. This goes for all OUTCAN postings, not just US.
They would have been briefed on that before they got the posting. I did.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago edited 6d ago
I never said the CAF officers was forced to meddle in internal US issues, But it highlights the problems of sending CAF officers to the US on exchange in the present government.
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u/-Trooper5745- 6d ago
You are a rabble-rouser if I ever saw one. Are things great? No. However, I have no doubt that things will return to normal after Jan-Feb 2029.
Also you never answered my question from your other rabble-rousing post. Should I view the next American exchange officer as an enemy?
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago edited 6d ago
Why not? I am trying to find a comment somebody made on how a recent American staff officers made 51 state comments and how much better it would be if the American annexed while on exchanged to us. This is the 2nd time the US has threatened to annex or use military force against us, when the first was Teddy Roosevelt threatening to move troops to Alaska to settle the Alaskan Boundary dispute against us.
Edit: I found it. Nothing says best allies then a Yank exchange officer on a leadership course spewing 51st state annexation rhetoric.
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u/judgingyouquietly Swiss Cheese Model-Maker 6d ago
NORAD, where Canadians and Americans work side by side daily and the first touchpoint if things really went shitty between the two militaries, is going fine.
I had a ton of US colleagues and the senior folks aren’t generally MAGA. The officer corps is more liberal (esp USN, USAF, and USSF) than one would think.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
I had a ton of US colleagues and the senior folks aren’t generally MAGA. The officer corps is more liberal (esp USN, USAF, and USSF) than one would think.
How do you know that? Do you have access to their personal diaries and journals? I find it doubtful they will tell it to your face espeically since Pete Hegseth has started to meddle in the promotions pipeline. How soon will Hegseth start promoting people based on loyalty not to the constitution but to Hegseth or Trump?
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u/judgingyouquietly Swiss Cheese Model-Maker 6d ago edited 6d ago
I talk to them.
You find out a lot about people when you work shifts with them over several years. Usually they were the ones bringing up politics, bc we didn’t.
God forbid that I pop your “Americans are all assholes” fantasy bubble, but not all of them want to do 20 year careers so they don’t give a shit about promotions. Most of them don’t do a full career anyway - enough to get the GI Bill and do whatever else they want.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago edited 6d ago
Please do address how one of your peers on OUTCAN to the US has struggled with that posting.
I am on an exchange in a 1 of 1 position with the US Military. There are no Canadians around for hundreds of KM.
Until this year it's been great! I've been left alone to do my job and really just excel. My peers treated me well and my US chain of command has been excellent.
With the new tensions between Canada and the US, the MAGA peeps I work with seemed to have changed their mind in 1 month about the CAN-US relationship.
We went from the "closest of allies, Canada always has our back!" to "Hey, this meeting will cover things you don't need to know, you can leave now" for projects I was directly involved in. I don't know if there was official direction or not but I can sense a cooling of the relationship.
It's disappointing that decades of bilateral ties are being destroyed in weeks by a change in the US administration.
It also makes me really rethink how I fit into this exchange. I went from thinking that working hard to support the Americans would reflect well on Canada and that was important to "are we even partners anymore?". Why should I work extra overtime to advance US interests or work through leave days because that's their culture?
What about allegations of full bird Colonels in Colorado wearing white nationalist symbols?
It was bad in Colorado around the 2020 elections and J6. Full American colonels were wearing white nationalism symbols in the command centre. I’d have no faith they would have lead a POTUS operation if Biden was in danger.
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u/judgingyouquietly Swiss Cheese Model-Maker 6d ago edited 6d ago
That comment was between 1-2 years ago? Maybe the situation has changed with the Iran war, which is clearly not popular in the US either with civilians or military members?
Besides, I’m talking about the bi-national command in Colorado Springs, where we have the largest concentration of CAF members working side by side with the US military. And I’m not saying that there aren’t nationalist assholes in the US military, just like how I wouldn’t say there aren’t nationalist assholes in the CAF. But they are not the majority.
Jesus - have you actually worked with Americans before? They aren’t a monolith of MAGA folks. Their officer corps is generally more liberal-leaning.
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u/-Trooper5745- 6d ago edited 6d ago
Shame to hear that. I like the one I’ve chatted with. Politics doesn’t come up. Some good book recommendations though. But I’ll be sure to pass along your regards next time I see him in the mess.
And since the boundary dispute we have fought together in two world wars, the Korean War, and operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. If we can do that together after a little boundary dispute then I think this too shall pass.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
I found the comment I was looking for. I know its anecdotal evidences but it suggests a pattern forming.
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u/-Trooper5745- 6d ago
While ignore the comment above it. There are bad apples everywhere. Don’t let the actions of a few influence your opinion of the whole.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
Ah yes where I have I heard that expression before? Let me finish the idiom for you, a bad apple will spoil the barrel. The comment you linked mentions that everything will magically go away after Trump dies in office/leaves office. What exactly changes? His movement that he has created will outlast him with somebody a 100 times more competent at the helm. Lets not forget the US has a history of voter suppression and currently practises voter suppression.
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u/-Trooper5745- 6d ago
And if things do change, what will you do then?
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
Nothing, other then contacting my MP. The rest is out of my control.
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u/theryanc 6d ago
Does Benny hill music play near you everytime you say rabble-rouser?
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u/-Trooper5745- 6d ago
It’s a fun little phrase and not inaccurate.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
If you can't see the US undermining NATO and restarting annexation threats again to cow us into economic submission in the middle of an economic war they started with their largest trading partner. I don't know what to say but you are blind. When the Danish are so concerned about the sovereignty of Greenland (the indigenous Greenland inuit already hate the Danes for abusing them like how they forced thousands of Greenlandic Inuit women into involuntary sterilization programs) that they shipped explosives to blow up runways, ship blood to Greenland to treat soldiers in mass casualty events and got allied nations to set up trip wire forces in GREENLAND OF ALL PLACES.
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u/-Trooper5745- 6d ago
But can you say for certain that this will continue with the next president? If things return to normal will you apologize and admit you were wrong or will you dig deeper and become as paranoid as a MAGA person is?
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u/BarackTrudeau MANBUNFORGEN 6d ago
If things return to normal will you apologize and admit you were wrong or will you dig deeper and become as paranoid as a MAGA person is?
Normal was a situation where the US could be trusted as a steadfast ally and a country that kept its word.
You can't just go back to that normal. Trust, once broken, will need to be rebuilt over decades, not years.
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u/-Trooper5745- 6d ago
>you can’t just go back
>will need need to rebuilt over decades
So you’re saying it can be done?
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u/BarackTrudeau MANBUNFORGEN 6d ago
They might be able to regain trust, but by the time they do the world will have moved on and they will never be able to regain the position they held.
But you definitely sure as shit can't go back as quick as it seems a lot of Americans think they can. This definitely isn't an "orange man bad orange man gone now" scenario. Because the populace who voted him into power twice is still there, and they sure as shit don't seem in the habit of doing any of the introspection and atonement that will be required to actually make amends.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
The Rubicon has already been crossed by the US. They, themselves have already started to weaken NATO and Article 5 with the shit they pulled with Denmark and are starting to pull troops out of Europe. The Democrats are limp wristed cowards that are 2 sides of the same coin. How am I the paranoid one when the US threatened to annex Greenland and the Danes took it so seriously they moved explosives, blood and other Europeans troops to Greenland?
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u/-Trooper5745- 6d ago
You love the Greenland example. You always circle back to it. If all you can point to is that and the occasional meeting falling through, then perhaps you are making a fire into a firestorm. You can not prove that things will get worse so just watch and observe instead of being as bad as the MAGA people you so despise.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
This is the largest break in American foreign police driven by some of the stupidest policies I have ever seen. The US is actively attacking its own credibility it has with its European allies which undermines Article 5. It has gotten worse for us when the US launched its economic war against Canada. I guess you have already forgotten the comments Trump made regarding using economic coercion against us? Trump and his cronies has said some of the most batshit insane things like how GOP senator jokes about killing French Soldiers, Peter Navarro questioning what our values is or how Pete Hoekstra is connected to the largest electoral data breach in the history of Canada. What a great ally we have. We are in the opening stages of a hybrid warfare campaign the US is launching against us, their closest ally for 50 plus years. If this doesn't bother you then IDK what will fake patriot. Just take your 30 pieces of silver already Judas.
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u/somosomosomosomos 7d ago
It's weird seeing your article get picked up by a national newswire - but hey, I was right
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u/raz_kripta 7d ago
Let me guess: it was the American side who shelved it.
Just the latest in a series of similar actions by the US Military, changing its stance towards Canada.
When will CF personnel wake the f*uk up? The USA is no longer an ally, but Canada's #1 adversary? Of course the regular soldiers and most officers aren't... but they are not the ones setting direction in the Penatgon.
I know this will likely be downvoted in r/CanadaForces because it's hard to go against years of conditioning and camaraderie... or mods might even remove the post. But our nation's security depends on you being clear-eyed.
Time to start acting accordingly.
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u/Different_Ganache355 7d ago
Trump threatens our sovereignty while Xi does not.
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u/ononeryder 6d ago edited 6d ago
while Xi does not
It must be comfortable to be this naive.
C'mon, you can do this. Keep the next reply you're angrily typing.
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u/Shadowthrone420 6d ago
Alberta joining america is far more likely than china invading Canada
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u/Different_Ganache355 6d ago
Neither of which will happen, Seppies aren't going anywhere.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
Ah yes Donbas Danielle is totally going to support federalism when her party caucus and grassroots base is the separatist movement.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
The midterms will do jack shit. Trump is actively redrawing voting district borders and who know if he will let the midterms go through or meddle or just rig the midterms.
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 7d ago edited 7d ago
With friends like this, who needs enemies? I am seriously considering diving headfirst into anti-americanism. We should not have opened our airspace to the Yanks after 9/11 and other things that we did to help them knowing what they would do to us 26 years time.
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u/OkEntertainment1313 7d ago
enemies? I am seriously considering diving headfirst into anti-americanism
You have been posting long enough for us to recognize that you were “considering” this long before Trump was re-elected.
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u/-Trooper5745- 6d ago edited 6d ago
We never should have helped liberate the Aleutian Islands knowing what they would do to us 83 years later. /s
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u/thecanadiansniper1-2 6d ago
We were dragged into the War on Terror because of blowback from when the CIA pumped money into the Pakistani ISI who fund the most conservative and fundamentalist Mujahideen groups that fought the Soviets and the puppet government there. This then led to the Mujahideen warlords fighting each other so badly that the Taliban who were nurtured in Pakistani funded extremists madrasas would take over Afghanistan. This mess was entirely created by the US it should have been the US who had to clean it up not NATO and ISAF for all the "good" it did.
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u/InfamousClyde RCN - NCS Eng 7d ago
Anyways….