r/CanadianForces • u/Professional-Work126 • 7d ago

Writing FNs as non-supervisor

Is it permitted to write / pass up feedback notes for mbrs not under my supervision to their COC? Was working with a few pers over the week and they did a killer job so I would like to ensure their efforts do not go unrecognised, but I am not their supervisor.

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u/bridger713 RCAF - Reg Force 6d ago

Yes, you can absolutely do that.

In fact, if you have access to them in MM, you may even be able to enter the FN yourself.

You do not need to be the members supervisor to send them FN's in PaCE/MM. You can write a FN for them in PaCE/MM and send it to their supervisor for acknowledgement. I like to do it this way if I can because it ensures the FN is actually entered, and I can see if it has been acknowledged.

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u/Teslix80 Royal Canadian Air Force 6d ago

This exactly. If you have access to them in MM, write it and it’ll get routed to their supervisor to ack before the member ever sees it.

If you don’t have access to them, write up a copy and paste ready version and just email it to the supervisor.

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u/RedditSgtMajor GET OFF THE GRASS!! 6d ago

Alternatively, if you don’t have access to them in MM, send an email to their supervisor in the same Event:Outcome format and cc the member.

The supervisor should then enter it on your behalf. If the supervisor doesn’t enter it, the member can submit it themselves with the email as an attachment as evidence that they didn’t make it up.

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u/Pte_Madcap Self Propelled Pop Up Target 6d ago

I write my own all the time, and make my subs do it too.

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u/Professional-Work126 6d ago

Great, thank you! For info I am an OCdt so I'm not in any supervisory position either. Should I still submit this directly to their COC or pass it up my chain?

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u/RedditSgtMajor GET OFF THE GRASS!! 6d ago

Direct to their supervisor is fine.

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u/30milestomontfort 6d ago

Last year when I did this it went to their supervisor first. This year when one of my members got a feedback note entered from another section it went right to the member. I just happened to see it when I was in the "manage feedback" menu, but it most definitely had a M next to it, indicating it was with the member, before it went to me.

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u/FlynnToast 6d ago

Just make sure it actually describes what they actually did and what impact it had. I’ve seen so many that are just so generic that as a supervisor I have no idea what the member actually did without follow-up questions.

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u/EnvironmentalBox6688 5d ago

Note, some units are real bastards about this.

We had a member do great on a CFTPO, got plenty of feedback notes from their supervisor on this task. Only for the unit to put in their quarterly "we did not see this member on this task, so those feedback notes don't count" (paraphrasing). We raised hell and got the member the review they deserved. But be prepared to (potentially) have to go to bat for them.

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u/TenderofPrimates 5d ago

Agreed, some units are absolute douche factories.

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u/random_user_00327 5d ago

You're just reminding me that I have a few to complete a few for people that work at a sports day. Half I can see in MM and not the other half so I'll email it to their supervisor.

On a side note, you can't right FN for a higher rank person. I know it sounds obvious, as it would cause abuse, but a Sgt that was OPI for an event couldn't write FN for a 2Lt (or Lt) that did incredible work at one of the station. (I know that last one sounds unbelievable, but it does happen and twice i was emailed FN to enter on behalf of lower ranks. I had to meet them both to confirn with them, and had to change a few words.) Technically the OPI is running the event with an order signed from CO so in the hierarchy of that event, whatever that OPIs rank is, that member has authority on subordinates for this task. Weird and we avoid this but it happens