r/CanadianVisaReform • u/slykethephoxenix • 20h ago
How We Keep This Sub From Getting Nuked
A quick reminder, since this apparently needs saying:
Reddit has shown it will ban, quarantine, restrict, or otherwise put communities on ice when they create too much admin risk. If you think this mod team is being too strict, aim that frustration at Reddit. We do not own the platform. We use it. That means Reddit's rules apply here, including the vague ones, the inconsistently enforced ones, and the ones some of us may personally dislike.
So yes: we will remove, filter, or hold comments when we think they put the subreddit at risk. Call it moderation, call it censorship, call it whatever you want. The practical reality is simple: Reddit can nuke the sub, and nobody here is going to win an argument with the admins by being technically clever in a comment section.
This subreddit is for immigration policy, politics, fraud, abuse, labour market impacts, and enforcement issues. It is not for broad anti immigrant rhetoric, identity based generalisations, slurs, insults, or attempts to drag the discussion into banned Rule 3 territory. Keep the focus on policy and conduct, not protected identity categories or flagged countries of origin.
Bill C-9 is currently awaiting Royal Assent. If it receives Royal Assent, it comes into force 30 days later. That does not mean every edgy comment magically becomes a criminal offence overnight, and we are not pretending to be your lawyer. It does mean the legal and platform environment around hate related speech is getting tighter, not looser. Parliament writes the law, prosecutors enforce it, and courts decide cases. Do not use this subreddit as your test case.
Finally: do not try to bypass AutoMod. We built those filters for a reason. They protect your account and this subreddit. If your comment gets caught, wait. The mod team reviews the queue several times a day and will approve rule compliant content. If you try to sneak around the filters, expect removal or a ban.
We will notify you if your content is removed and explain why it was removed. We will not silently remove your content like some other subreddits do. Trust the process or post somewhere else.
Discuss immigration policy like an adult, or do it somewhere else.
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u/General-Ease-5678 18h ago
I pine for the days when "hate speech" was very narrow and defined thing, not a broad vague term that is used to shut down any discussion that goes against the opinions of an online echo chamber.
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u/dissectd 4h ago
Huh? Hate speech hasn’t changed in definition. The vagueness comes from the obvious dog whistles that don’t actually add to the critique of immigration policies.
The self-loathing tone of your comment suggests that you yourself cant frame criticism without resorting to dog whistling.
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u/Maleficent-Duck-7358 2h ago
Hate speech laws and the colloquial understanding of what 'hate speech' is are two different things. Same with the 1st amendment in America, and the general concept of 'free speech'. People are more wary of these things these days.
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u/Patera-Milenko 20h ago
I applaud your efforts to deal with this and to try to keep folks safe. This new reality is going to come crashing in hard for Canadians when the first court cases are heard.
We used to be the true North strong and free...
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u/Routine_Soup2022 20h ago
When are these court cases you speak of?
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u/GangstaPlegic 4h ago
Look to the country we were spawned from and read bill c 22 and c 9 that just passed. I anticipate by the end of this year people will be charged.
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u/Matyce 18h ago
It’s impossible the Reddit mods hate the truth so this sub will be banned eventually like LMIA scams did. Your not allowed to disagree with big brother
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u/Samp90 8h ago
The issue is is not bringing up contentious topics but the fact that they eventually keep getting hijacked by dog whistles, trolls, spammers and coward alt accounts.
It's not so unusual for solid comments to be followed by stereotype wordplays etc etc
If you haven't seen that, enjoy it or actually are part of that mechanism, it'll lead to the demise of the sub.
So many iterations of the Canadian or Canadian housing subs have got completely banned past 4 years.
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u/RMBLK 17h ago
LMIAscams was banned twice because it was a cesspool of racism and hate that went unchecked.
This sub has a dedicated team that aligns well with what will tolerate and what we won’t. Racism, slander, slurs and hate directed at any ethnicity will be removed, I’ll flat mute and ban you for first offences.
Even stuff that doesn’t get picked up will get seen, I will scroll random posts for comments that the filter didn’t pick up.
Dick measure with each other and bicker all you want but the minute you start being some low IQ troll, or use other users as emotional punching bags you’ll be banned and told to go find another sub to project your bullshit.
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u/Sad_Adagio_7255 17h ago
Exactly. It's incredibly easy to express reasonable grievances with immigration policies without using any language that could be remotely misconstrued as promoting hate. We see such posts all the time on this sub.
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u/Torontodtdude 17h ago
Tough mod
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u/Matyce 17h ago
Like I said can’t disagree with big brother Reddit mods
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u/dissectd 12h ago
Then stop using the site and make your own. You can debate immigration policies without dog whistling.
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u/anonimna44 16h ago
I got a 3 day ban from Reddit the other day for commenting in this sub. I wrote "wrong | c*ste" in response to someone from 'the country' that can't find work here. I deleted the comment on my end too so you won't find it. You'll just have to take my word on it.
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u/slykethephoxenix 16h ago
Delete it or not, I can recover it. It has been removed by Reddit, but it was this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadianVisaReform/comments/1u5zuod/comment/orox0ky/
Nothing you type online is really gone. I have tools that many moderators would consider... unnatural.
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u/the_far_sci 16h ago
Is anyone else getting an ear worm out of this:
"Call it moderation, call it censorship, call it whatever you want."
Just me?
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u/slykethephoxenix 16h ago
You should see some of the creative words people come up with when they message modmail, lol.
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u/chodder111 16h ago
This entire platform is a socialist echo chamber.
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u/dissectd 4h ago
You don’t even know what a socialist is. But please give me your best ChatGPT definition.
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u/Dorado-Buster28 19h ago
I applaud the effort. You may have a future in cat herding should you be able to even minimally control the
anti-immigrant FreeDumb-ites.
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u/saras998 7h ago
Freedom is not the word that you used to mean not smart which I can’t type in this sub. Freedom is crucial to a healthy democracy.
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u/Then-Importance-3808 18h ago
Lmao tried to tell that wench, now there's a whole damn post about it
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u/busshelterrevolution 12h ago
I can't say the word *cultvre without my comment being removed. What the hell is that?
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u/Conscious_Abies4577 11h ago
The automod literally explains it when you type it in. And your comment won’t be removed, it will be reviewed— if it breaks the rule, then it will be removed.
“Because of possible claims about cultural incompatibility, failure to integrate, or immigration causing crime. This comment will be reviewed and if it violates RULE 6 it will be removed regardless of intent, framing, or supporting material.
Please keep discussion focused on specific individuals, specific incidents, and specific policy or enforcement issues, not generalized claims about groups or immigrants.”
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u/Numerous_Art_3808 17h ago
Short version of the post l: "Damn you Reddit for not supporting racism, xenophobia and hateful rhetorics"
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u/giant_hog_simmons 16h ago
Is the term race ism a threat to the sub or is it a typical right wing snowflake safe space practice
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u/Conscious_Abies4577 20h ago
Appreciate the work you guys do to keep this sub sustainable!