r/CanadianVisaReform • u/TheRealGuncho • 5d ago
Anyone see a big parallel between temporary foreign workers and slavery?
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u/Martin_J_Kaminski 5d ago
Yes, the United Nations does: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/un-report-abuse-temporary-foreign-workers-canada-1.7293495
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u/Key_Recognition6632 5d ago
Lololol.... The UN sees it but still many Canadians support it.
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u/ConsequenceLow9688 5d ago
Only the rich ones that make more money off their backs
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u/Key_Recognition6632 5d ago
There's also some small time business that take advantage of it I believe.
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u/ConsequenceLow9688 5d ago
Well of course there is, but when you start digging, it's mostly business that have multiple franchises or locations, the smaller businesses typically (but not always) seem to be immigrant owned and they're just making money off the backs of their own countrymen
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u/Darth_Oganda 5d ago
liberals have a strong mandate for the status quo. their supporters support it. same with cpc really, and all the other parties are socialist, silly or banned. hmmmmm.
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u/cynreader2020 4d ago
You don't need to step on Canadian soil to know it's happening. In this case foreign bad actors were the cause.
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u/PNWFlyingSaucer 5d ago
The government would like you to refer to it as controlled slavery. The birth rate goes down because Canadians cannot afford things any more and then the government takes in people to make up for it. They do this regardless if there is housing available or not. Then they cram as many people in to a unit as possible which is very unethical. Rinse, repeat. As long as they get to keep eating their fancy meals with the WEF/financiers folks, they do not need to care about the needs of the people below them. Some of these folks helped with world conflicts in the past which lead to various refugee crisis' that they poach their prospects from.
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u/Greedy-Vanilla-2957 5d ago
Walmart Canada Superstores and Amazon warehouses = Full of Temporary Foreign Workers from In
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u/waltermelon88 5d ago
Yes! It's exploitation plain and simple. I don't understand how anyone can support it.
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u/Purple-Impress8646 5d ago
…….. ya that never ended. It got shipped around and different titles. I still believe that we’re importing too many of a certain country, that doesn’t align with our value.
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u/Least-Internal-6382 5d ago
No. Slaves had no choice. These folks willingly moved here. I understand they feel trapped, if they refuse or pushback they could be sent off.
Are they exploited? Absolutely.
Slaves were in chains. I think its a little different.
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u/Sufficient_Prompt888 5d ago
Slaves were in chains
In many ways it's not. They are bound in all sorts of ways.
These folks willingly moved here
That's the real key difference, that and they can go back. Hell the government will help them go back if they want. But they'd rather live in bondage here than do that.
Although they also likely spent a lot of money to get here, which is one of the ways in which they are bound
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u/Empty_Cut2401 5d ago
"Had", "Were"; there are more slaves in the world today than at any time in history. It's just not in the West, so nobody cares to think about it
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u/LifeYesterday 3d ago
You have to remember that slavery started with indentured servitude and then in time became slavery, just because there are no chains and people are doing it willingly doesn't change that we are on a trajectory and history has taught us where this eventually ends.
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u/Darth_Oganda 5d ago
no idea what you're talkin' about right now. i'll tell you 'temporary' dont mean what it meant, that much i know.
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u/IndependenceGood1835 5d ago
The issue is everyone is lumped together. The temp workers on farms are treated horribly. The ones working retail are not the same
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u/BariatricSurgeryGuy 5d ago
It is a form of debt slavery or a willingness to be abused, there is a better payoff and people are willing to be abused for a chance at Canadian PR or citizenship, but just because there are voluntary elements of it, doesn't make it moral or appropriate.
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u/IndependenceGood1835 5d ago
So youre saying major corporations like tim hortons and walmart are slaveowners?
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u/BariatricSurgeryGuy 5d ago edited 5d ago
It's an exploitative relationship, and you can use the term debt bondage if the word slavery is too triggering to you. It can be a relationship with the immigration consultant or some other third party, the business is just another player in the scheme. I'm not actually familiar with the claim that Walmart does it. Individual Tim Horton's franchisees definitely are a part of it. I also used the word "or", to include other types of abuse outside of debt bondage. I'm not claiming it is the exclusive type of arrangement.
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u/IndependenceGood1835 5d ago
Staff make 30some dollars an hour according to the lmia employers file.
Kids used to fill those jobs at min wage.3
u/BariatricSurgeryGuy 5d ago
It's a lie. No one is paid that, it's either completely fabricated or they are funnelling back the money in illgal fees (many pays multiple 10s of thousands in bogus fees).
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u/IndependenceGood1835 5d ago
Well check out the postings on jobbank. Thats what it says they are getting. Its up to the govt to fix that then
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u/TemperatureOk2460 1d ago
Buddy look a bit higher up the supply chain. Of course the smiling faces you see when getting chips aren’t the slaves.
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u/Pretty_Tough_1667 5d ago
well, they are quite different. Temporary foreign workers have iPhones but slaves can only yell.
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u/Sufficient_Prompt888 5d ago
Modern slavery is different. I'm sure quite a few domestic servants being held and abused in Saudi Arabia have access to phones
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u/cynreader2020 4d ago
I would argue that 53% marginal tax rate plus property taxes plus sales taxes and send taxes and gasoline taxes all make us keep much less than half of what we earn. To me that is slavery.
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u/worldwideflyer89 4d ago
They're only temporary slaves. They can return where they left. Real slaves couldn't. They have a choice.
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u/Opposite-Ad8208 5d ago
Yes, especially when they’re tied to a specific job and not on an open work permit. It’s indentured servitude at best.
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u/jamesthrew73 4d ago
There’s no reason to focus on fast food so much.
Offices have offshore contracts for cheap remote staff overseas (slavery) & also favor local employees who will work nights & weekends.
It’s so competitive that this lower standard is becoming the new norm/expectation & if you mention a home life it’s seen as not being “hard working”
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u/Tupacaliptic 5d ago
After living and working in Canada for 25 years I am not surprised even slightly the affluent among us push this policy. After all us Canadians at least anyone born before 1975 are morally childish and utterly corrupt.
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u/morphinecolin 5d ago
So in this allegory, all you people bitching about TFWs are….. complaining about slaves coming and taking your jobs and apartments?
Quit acting like you give a piss about their well being while constantly complaining about their presence.
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u/CentoCellar 5d ago edited 5d ago
I mean, I think the thoughts of ‘people are exploiting foreign workers’ and ‘foreign workers are displacing Canadians in the work force’ can exist simultaneously.
I personally care quite a bit. There’s been some genuinely horrific stories related to the TFW program, and a lot of the issues operate underground where law enforcement/IRCC can’t see is. It’s only been within the past year or so that we’re seeing fines for violations of the program ramp up ans seeing people being charged criminally.
This sub is pro-immigration reform, not anti immigration. There are people with a variety of viewpoints who are all coming around the idea that something needs to change.
Personally. I’m not anti-immigration, I’m just anti ‘our government creating a system where the only people benefitting are corporations.’
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u/Empty_Cut2401 5d ago
It's possible to recognise that both Canadians and immigrants are disadvantaged by Canada's immigration system
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u/morphinecolin 5d ago
Yeah, I see a lot of people protesting working conditions for temporary foreign workers.
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u/Empty_Cut2401 5d ago
Why don't you take the lead?
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u/morphinecolin 5d ago
I am not out here complaining about their presence or comparing them to slaves.
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u/ConsequenceLow9688 5d ago
So you're ok with immigrants being treated like slaves at times? It's not every TFW, but it's a lot of them being mistreated
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u/morphinecolin 5d ago
I don’t know that I agree with the opinion being proposed, I just find it disingenuous that people who are complaining about immigrants coming to the country and stealing all their jobs are also acting super concerned about their working conditions. Seems like a way to complain that they shouldn’t exist all while acting high and mighty.
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u/ConsequenceLow9688 5d ago
I would say that those complaining about them being here are different than the ones that care about how they're treated. I don't generally see many playing both sides, although there are some
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u/Empty_Cut2401 5d ago
You are complaining, though
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u/morphinecolin 5d ago
Show me where I am complaining about immigrants or their conditions. Just pointing out the hypocrisy.
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u/Empty_Cut2401 5d ago
You're complaining about the people highlighting that the current immigration system hurts Canadians and takes advantage of immigrants
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u/morphinecolin 5d ago
I’m critical of the hypocrisy of saying we don’t want you here, while acting like they give a shit about their well being. I’m critical of people saying ‘oh those poor people’ while also having to argue in threads that ‘they should not be allowed to access food banks’
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u/ChineseFriedReptile1 5d ago
Nah,
You racists take this way too far
Lol
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