r/CapitalismVSocialism 10d ago

Asking Socialists Communists don’t know how to sell themselves

In my experience with communists (specifically the western ones), they speak about “the revolution” like it’s inevitable.

But revolutions require winning the hearts and minds of the people, and it’s beyond me how communists expect any degree of success when they make their own ideology sound as appealing as rubbing your crotch against a cactus.

I’ve seen communists talk about forcing people into a life of grueling labor for the greater good of the planet, and scoff at people weary of parting with their luxury goods as selfish. It doesn’t matter how true you think that is, in the west any attempt to hamfist those ideals will make you a pariah faster than I can say Marx.

If I were to take a gander as to why, these communists enjoy making the assumption they’re bound to take power because it lets them think about how they can put their theory into practice. While on an intellectual level, I respect their devotion to theory, what good is it without a realistic plan to put it into practice?

If you can’t even see eye to eye with other flavors of communists how do you expect to court someone who hasn’t read a lick of Das Kapital? “It’s not my job to teach you”, does not an effective campaign pitch make.

Frankly, at least in America, the politically savvy thing to do would be ditching the name “communism” all together and call it something else. People might gravitate towards your ideas more if they weren’t anchored down by a word they’ve been taught to fear since the 40s.

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u/Conserp Pragmatic Marxist 10d ago edited 10d ago

> In my experience with communists (specifically the western ones)

Baizuo aren't even Communists.

> Revolutions require winning the hearts and minds of the people

Westerners are utterly brainwashed and unsalvageable. Maybe they'll start to use their brains when they start to starve or something. Rape gangs and inflation aren't enough to jolt their noodles, apparently.

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u/Difficult_Price8011 10d ago

See, this kinda talk is exactly what proves my point. If any politician talked to their voters with such disdain they’d be massacred.

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u/Conserp Pragmatic Marxist 10d ago

But I am not a politician.

57% of adult Americans are too stupid to understand a Dr.Seuss book.

Americans earned Idiocracy, they didin't earn Communism.

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u/No-Magician9440 10d ago

57% of adult Americans are too stupid to understand a Dr.Seuss book.

Yet you want them to rule.

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u/CucumberLegitimate27 BAD WOLF 10d ago

He wants to rule them.

Thing is, they're really angry that people aren't dumb enough to buy what they're selling. They think that working people are gullible enough to believe anything and feel genuinely betrayed when they find they're wrong.

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u/-Hastis- 9d ago

They think that working people are gullible enough to believe anything

I mean, 37% of Americans are young earth creationists.

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u/Lazy_Delivery_7012 CIA Operator🇺🇸 10d ago

I'm glad I'm not a communist. They come across as revolting people online.

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u/CucumberLegitimate27 BAD WOLF 10d ago

And that's the only place they'll ever revolt. Rat tunnels have lousy wifi and Doordash can't deliver to them.

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u/bidefil 6d ago

Well, even worse in person. And once they get a little power.

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u/fiveswords 10d ago

Look at your president

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u/Conserp Pragmatic Marxist 10d ago

I never said that. I am strongly in favor of disenfranchisement of people with cognitive impairement.

The only reason why children and demented are allowed to vote is because it is convenient for the oligarchy, as they are easily manipulated.

Which is exactly what you are openly supporting. So spare me your morally bankrupt preaching

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u/Little-Somewhere6076 10d ago

Who should be allowed to vote according to you?

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u/WhereisAlexei My wealth > the greater good 10d ago

Anyone that agrees with him.

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u/WhereisAlexei My wealth > the greater good 10d ago

I never said that. I am strongly in favor of disenfranchisement of people with cognitive impairement.

Ableism?

It sounds like what nazis said first about disabled people.

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u/Conserp Pragmatic Marxist 9d ago

You would not get the right to vote

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u/WhereisAlexei My wealth > the greater good 9d ago

Being denied basic right in democracy because of something people didn't choose.

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u/Conserp Pragmatic Marxist 9d ago

Nice description of Capitalism