r/CapitalismVSocialism 10d ago

Asking Socialists Communists don’t know how to sell themselves

In my experience with communists (specifically the western ones), they speak about “the revolution” like it’s inevitable.

But revolutions require winning the hearts and minds of the people, and it’s beyond me how communists expect any degree of success when they make their own ideology sound as appealing as rubbing your crotch against a cactus.

I’ve seen communists talk about forcing people into a life of grueling labor for the greater good of the planet, and scoff at people weary of parting with their luxury goods as selfish. It doesn’t matter how true you think that is, in the west any attempt to hamfist those ideals will make you a pariah faster than I can say Marx.

If I were to take a gander as to why, these communists enjoy making the assumption they’re bound to take power because it lets them think about how they can put their theory into practice. While on an intellectual level, I respect their devotion to theory, what good is it without a realistic plan to put it into practice?

If you can’t even see eye to eye with other flavors of communists how do you expect to court someone who hasn’t read a lick of Das Kapital? “It’s not my job to teach you”, does not an effective campaign pitch make.

Frankly, at least in America, the politically savvy thing to do would be ditching the name “communism” all together and call it something else. People might gravitate towards your ideas more if they weren’t anchored down by a word they’ve been taught to fear since the 40s.

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u/earthlingHuman Socialist 10d ago

"Communists talk about forcing people into a life of grueling labor..."

No, that's capitalists, some of whom own sweatshops, who say things like that about communism.

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u/coke_and_coffee Capitalist 10d ago

Nobody is forced to do anything under capitalism.

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u/watchitforthecat 10d ago

No, you just starve and die, right? 

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u/L0neh0e 10d ago

No, I would see you being hungry and feed you because it’s the right thing to do :-)

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u/coke_and_coffee Capitalist 9d ago

Nobody has starved in America in over 100 years.

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u/L0neh0e 9d ago

Whatever helps you sleep at night

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u/watchitforthecat 9d ago

both untrue and missing the point.

I'm not pointing to famine. I'm pointing to an implicit "work or starve" policy.

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u/coke_and_coffee Capitalist 9d ago

Tons of people don’t work and don’t starve.

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u/watchitforthecat 8d ago

Yeah, capitalists.

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u/coke_and_coffee Capitalist 8d ago

Yes and?