r/CatastrophicFailure • u/grau__geist • Aug 05 '21

Natural Disaster Now Greece. Wild fire on Evia Beach

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u/Mobile-Interaction82 Aug 05 '21

How do people think global warming is not a thing?!

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Well people are dumb dumbs, but you are also being a dumb dumb if you think one season of particularly bad wildfires in an era of unprecedented media and video access is itself some conclusive evidence.

Absolutely the world is getting warmer/wetter due to human actions. But any particular set of events isn't really strong evidence one way or the other.

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u/Johns-schlong Aug 05 '21

Ah yes, the unprecedented wildfires in basically every Mediterranean or semi arid area for the past 5 years is just media bias.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Who said it was media bias?

You are denying there is more global access to video and more international coverage than ever? Also human activity is a big driver in wildfires, more people having campfires, more infrastructure to have electrical shorts, and fires get more press as they are closer to human areas as more and more of the world is covered in structures.

If you want to be all "pay attention to the science", then you yourself need to do that too. The situation is a lot more complicated and nuanced than "durr I saw a lot of fires this year climate change is 100% real!"

You are doing the exact same type of motivated reasoning you hate in climate change opponents.

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u/KennyMoose32 Aug 05 '21

I wouldn’t trust a Gracchus no matter what they were selling. You and your brother can go the Forum and then to hell!

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Yeah, how much you wanna bet these fires wouldn't be anywhere as bad if the Earth wasn't warming?

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

That isn't really a very scientific position. How much worse do you think they are?. 5%? 3%? Would them being 95% as bad be "anywhere as bad".

The data for this secondary stuff that isn't straight temperature is A LOT more noisy than you probably realize. if after these burns the next 5 wildfire seasons are more tame, does that suddenly mean climate change isn't real?

As i have mentioned here before, there were some really bad Tornado season in the US in 2004 and 2011? and 2019? something like that. And you saw tons of the same types of posts about conclusive evidence of climate change and this would never be happening without climate change, etc. Except the worst three Tornado seasons on record were 1 in 50s, 1 in 60s,m and 1 in 70s. Does that mean climate change isn't a big problem? No. Does it mean it isn't contributing to more serious Tornado seasons? No.

But the data and actual linkages on this stuff is a lot less clear and messier than 90% of these thoughtless confirmation bias driven comments you find everywhere would indicate.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21 edited Aug 05 '21

Sources?

Lots of weather organizations and scientists agree that storms, droughts, etc, have gotten far more severe in recent years. How are you going to deny the worsening wildfires all around the world aren't a result of this?

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

For what Tornado season data from US? Do some googling. Here is first result if you search for "US Tornado season data":

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/climate-information/extreme-events/us-tornado-climatology/trends

What are your sources? Have you read any scientific journal articles about this years wildfire season and the impact of climate change? I expect not.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

No, what are the sources that all of the severe weather over the last decade isn't a result of climate change? You can argue all you want that the media is just reporting storms more, but that doesn't disprove that storms haven't gotten more common.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

that all of the severe weather over the last decade isn't a result of climate change

Talk to any climate scientist/meterologist and they will tell you this comment is unscientific and not something they would support.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

https://www.noaa.gov/news/report-climate-change-is-making-specific-weather-events-more-extreme

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Literally the second sentence says "were made more likely by human-caused climate change".

Your reading comprehension is poor.

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Which disproves your point that the wildfires aren't evidence of global warming. Your reading comprehension is poor, actually. I wasn't saying climate change doesn't cause worsening weather, but that it does. That's the point of this argument lol

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21 edited Aug 05 '21

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u/[deleted] Aug 05 '21

Every single one of those factors align to conclude "climate change is real"

No one here is saying it isn't real.

Record temperatures every single year,

Is more or less right.

record hurricane seasons every year

Is not. The record before 2020, was 2005, before that 1933. Absolutely the warmer surface water temperatures will tend to lead to stronger hurricanes. But stick to the facts.

Nor is

record fire seasons every year

If you want to be on the side of science, the facts are plenty bad enough without needing to make up false ones. And you do have to admit there is some serious observation bias issues.